What do Pro Tankers want?

[chambers]

Pro tankers want the top pick in the draft. They might be too young to remember the Duncan draft and the Joe Johnson one and the Oden one and the Toine one and the most recent one doesn't discourage them.

No, we actually remember the 2007 draft when we traded our guaranteed top 5 pick for Ray Allen which convinced Kevin Garnett to come here.

I remember the Duncan draft, I also look at the list of NBA champions for the last 15 years and see Duncan on there 5 times with 6 finals appearances.

If Oden's knees were okay it's arguable that he would've been better than Shaq because he could shoot free throws.

Injuries can happen to anyone regardless of pick.

If we had gotten the top pick in 2007, Ainge might have taken Oden or he might have gone with Durant or he might have used it as a much better trade chip than the #5 pick.

He actually says that he would have taken Durant, because the teams doctors had serious concerns about Oden's knees. He talked about it in the same interview when he admitted he tried to trade Rondo for Chris Paul. My signature at the bottom of my posts details what he was trying to do. Can you imagine if he'd pulled that off? David West had verbally agreed to play for the Celtics and then Larry Bird offered him more years on a contract so he bailed and went to Indy.

[tazzmaniac]

Yeah, if the Celtics land a pick outside of that top 12, I will be bummed out. There is a cliff drop in talent there, from possible starter to complementary role player.

I don't want to watch this particular Celtics team get slammed by the Hawks in round 1.

Chris Mannix was calling the game with Mike Gorman vs the Knicks the other night and he said that the GM's he'd spoken to thought there was a talent drop off in this draft after the top 5.

As of now, I'd agree with that assessment.  My top 5 are Okafor, Towns, Mudiay, Russell and Johnson.  Oubre has been showing significant improvement recently so I could see him making it a top 6.   

[tazzmaniac]

Pro tankers want the top pick in the draft. They might be too young to remember the Duncan draft and the Joe Johnson one and the Oden one and the Toine one and the most recent one doesn't discourage them.

No, we actually remember the 2007 draft when we traded our guaranteed top 5 pick for Ray Allen which convinced Kevin Garnett to come here.

I remember the Duncan draft, I also look at the list of NBA champions for the last 15 years and see Duncan on there 5 times with 6 finals appearances.

If Oden's knees were okay it's arguable that he would've been better than Shaq because he could shoot free throws.

Injuries can happen to anyone regardless of pick.

If we had gotten the top pick in 2007, Ainge might have taken Oden or he might have gone with Durant or he might have used it as a much better trade chip than the #5 pick.

He actually says that he would have taken Durant, because the teams doctors had serious concerns about Oden's knees. He talked about it in the same interview when he admitted he tried to trade Rondo for Chris Paul. My signature at the bottom of my posts details what he was trying to do. Can you imagine if he'd pulled that off? David West had verbally agreed to play for the Celtics and then Larry Bird offered him more years on a contract so he bailed and went to Indy.

Rondo is my fav so I'm glad the Paul trade didn't happen.  West sure would have been nice though. 

[freshinthehouse]

I'm pro total rebuild, so I think we should move move all of our vets that have some value, even if that value is a second rounder.  Then role with a core of Smart, Young, Bradley, KO, and Sully getting plenty of run.  If they lose a bunch of gsmes and we get a good pick, fine.  If that core wins more games than expected, that's fine as well.  I just want this season's course decided by players that will be on the team next year.

[Chris22]

Imagine if we had just signed Hassan Whiteside.

His last game he had 20 rebounds and 24 points on 12-13 shooting.

[Eja117]

Pro tankers want the top pick in the draft. They might be too young to remember the Duncan draft and the Joe Johnson one and the Oden one and the Toine one and the most recent one doesn't discourage them.

No, we actually remember the 2007 draft when we traded our guaranteed top 5 pick for Ray Allen which convinced Kevin Garnett to come here.
Do the Sonics take that pick if it's #7 or #8 ? I doubt it.

I remember the Duncan draft, I also look at the list of NBA champions for the last 15 years and see Duncan on there 5 times with 6 finals appearances next to Dwayne Wade with 3 championships and 4 finals appearances.

If Oden's knees were okay it's arguable that he would've been better than Shaq because he could shoot free throws.

Injuries can happen to anyone regardless of pick.

I have to admit I'm curious who the Ray Allen is this time and who the Paul Pierce is this time and who the KG is this time. I admit I don't see them anywhere. I do sorta see the Ron Mercer and the Chauncey Billups and the Toine

[Eja117]

Pro tankers want the top pick in the draft. They might be too young to remember the Duncan draft and the Joe Johnson one and the Oden one and the Toine one and the most recent one doesn't discourage them.

Both sides are too caught up in Gambler's Fallacy.  Just because we haven't won the lottery in the past doesn't mean we're "cursed" and can't win in the future, just as us not winning in the past doesn't make us "due" for a good pick.

The Celtics have never moved up in a lottery. They have only moved down. I don't think that has anything to do with gambling or curses

[D.o.s.]

Pro tankers want the top pick in the draft. They might be too young to remember the Duncan draft and the Joe Johnson one and the Oden one and the Toine one and the most recent one doesn't discourage them.

Both sides are too caught up in Gambler's Fallacy.  Just because we haven't won the lottery in the past doesn't mean we're "cursed" and can't win in the future, just as us not winning in the past doesn't make us "due" for a good pick.

The Celtics have never moved up in a lottery. They have only moved down. I don't think that has anything to do with gambling or curses

It has everything to do with odds, if not gambling in the specific.

[Eja117]

Pro tankers want the top pick in the draft. They might be too young to remember the Duncan draft and the Joe Johnson one and the Oden one and the Toine one and the most recent one doesn't discourage them.

Both sides are too caught up in Gambler's Fallacy.  Just because we haven't won the lottery in the past doesn't mean we're "cursed" and can't win in the future, just as us not winning in the past doesn't make us "due" for a good pick.

The Celtics have never moved up in a lottery. They have only moved down. I don't think that has anything to do with gambling or curses

It has everything to do with odds, if not gambling in the specific.

Odds are they would have moved up, or at least not moved down, at least once by now. Also the Cavs winning the lottery four times has nothing to do with the odds either.

[nickagneta]

If tankers want to tank to get Emmanuel Mudiay, I gotta say I have a problem with that. I would think after last year in which Exum was praised as being the next great thing even though he barely worked out, had no to little video on him and yet still got lots of publicity from the draft sites and such, that people would be hesitant to do the same thing again.

Dante Exum is far from what he was advertised as being. He has done nothing this year and looks lost. Mudiay's agent is handling his client the same way Mudiay was handled. I don't like that. Makes me think they are hiding something, like they are afraid he will get exposed.

Wanna tank C's? I just don't care anymore but don't tank to draft Mudiay. I got a bad feelin about that kids future.

[GratefulCs]

If tankers want to tank to get Emmanuel Mudiay, I gotta say I have a problem with that. I would think after last year in which Exum was praised as being the next great thing even though he barely worked out, had no to little video on him and yet still got lots of publicity from the draft sites and such, that people would be hesitant to do the same thing again.

Dante Exum is far from what he was advertised as being. He has done nothing this year and looks lost. Mudiay's agent is handling his client the same way Mudiay was handled. I don't like that. Makes me think they are hiding something, like they are afraid he will get exposed.

Wanna tank C's? I just don't care anymore but don't tank to draft Mudiay. I got a bad feelin about that kids future.

Gotta say, great point. TP


Although he still only a rookie and has time to prove himself, i felt it was odd how hyped exum was. I'm really happy we ended up with smart. He's got the drive

[Nerf DPOY]

Pro tankers want the top pick in the draft. They might be too young to remember the Duncan draft and the Joe Johnson one and the Oden one and the Toine one and the most recent one doesn't discourage them.

Both sides are too caught up in Gambler's Fallacy.  Just because we haven't won the lottery in the past doesn't mean we're "cursed" and can't win in the future, just as us not winning in the past doesn't make us "due" for a good pick.

The Celtics have never moved up in a lottery. They have only moved down. I don't think that has anything to do with gambling or curses

It has everything to do with odds, if not gambling in the specific.

Odds are they would have moved up, or at least not moved down, at least once by now. Also the Cavs winning the lottery four times has nothing to do with the odds either.

No matter who wins the lottery, a segment of all the other fan bases will come out of the woodwork and concoct some conspiracy theory as to why _____ got the no #1 pick. I remember reading on Real GM in '07 "Book it,  Boston is getting the no#1 pick per Stern's wishes because it's good for the NBA when Boston is on top." Then all the same stuff came back last year, except throw LAL into the mix as one of the teams that would be certain to be in the top 3 because after all, they're the Lakers.

Obviously it makes much more sense to risk the integrity of the league to force a scenario where Cleveland forms a super team.

[Eja117]

Pro tankers can keep telling themselves the odds are ever in our favor but I don't believe they are.

[Quetzalcoatl]

If tankers want to tank to get Emmanuel Mudiay, I gotta say I have a problem with that. I would think after last year in which Exum was praised as being the next great thing even though he barely worked out, had no to little video on him and yet still got lots of publicity from the draft sites and such, that people would be hesitant to do the same thing again.

Dante Exum is far from what he was advertised as being. He has done nothing this year and looks lost. Mudiay's agent is handling his client the same way Mudiay was handled. I don't like that. Makes me think they are hiding something, like they are afraid he will get exposed.

Wanna tank C's? I just don't care anymore but don't tank to draft Mudiay. I got a bad feelin about that kids future.

It's not anywhere near the same.  Mudiay grew up here and was seen by college scouts leading up to his decision to go to China.  On top of that, The Chinese League is probably the 5th or 6th best basketball league in the world with a huge following, legitimate coaches and training staffs, decent competition including ex-NBA players and the games are much more available to scouts.  The Australian League by comparison is like the 24th best league in the world, is probably worse than the best rec leagues in the United States, features players with beer bellies and grainy footage from maybe one game a season.  Exum grew up in Australia and was not evaluated as he was developing. 

Exum was basically a total mystery with good size and Mudiay is competing against actual professional basketball players right now.  The big problem is that Mudiay was tearing it up and even had a triple double a couple months ago....then got injured

[Nerf DPOY]

If tankers want to tank to get Emmanuel Mudiay, I gotta say I have a problem with that. I would think after last year in which Exum was praised as being the next great thing even though he barely worked out, had no to little video on him and yet still got lots of publicity from the draft sites and such, that people would be hesitant to do the same thing again.

Dante Exum is far from what he was advertised as being. He has done nothing this year and looks lost. Mudiay's agent is handling his client the same way Mudiay was handled. I don't like that. Makes me think they are hiding something, like they are afraid he will get exposed.

Wanna tank C's? I just don't care anymore but don't tank to draft Mudiay. I got a bad feelin about that kids future.

It's not anywhere near the same.  Mudiay grew up here and was seen by college scouts leading up to his decision to go to China.  On top of that, The Chinese League is probably the 5th or 6th best basketball league in the world with a huge following, legitimate coaches and training staffs, decent competition including ex-NBA players and the games are much more available to scouts.  The Australian League by comparison is like the 24th best league in the world, is probably worse than the best rec leagues in the United States, features players with beer bellies and grainy footage from maybe one game a season.  Exum grew up in Australia and was not evaluated as he was developing. 

Exum was basically a total mystery with good size and Mudiay is competing against actual professional basketball players right now.  The big problem is that Mudiay was tearing it up and even had a triple double a couple months ago....then got injured

Agreed. Want Mudiay but we won't be in position to get him. Besides playing well in China, his speed and handle would be undeniable even if he were being defended by a chair in a workout video.

And just to clarify, isn't Mudiay more shut down than injured at this point?