Super Bowl XLIX Thread

[Cman]

Mef730,

All great points. But I think the best response to the whiners saying we got lucky is to just laugh in their face and remind them who won the game.

I just hahahaha at all the haters. It feels darn good and it incites them even more. Kind of like smiling at the crazy guy with road rage.

Ditto all great points.
I'm just happy that another fan base gets to feel the way that I felt after the (first) loss to the Giants. To see it all slip out of your grasp, just like..... that.

[Donoghus]

Alright, after a couple of days to digest it, I'm going to ask the question;

During that sequence between the Lynch run to the 1/2 yard line & Butler's INT,  are people buying the idea that Belichick was playing the highest stakes game of chicken ever with Carroll by not calling a timeout or was he literally still shell shocked by the Kearse catch?

The Washington Post had an excellent article on this:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/02/02/bill-belichick-made-a-sneaky-smart-decision-that-might-have-contributed-to-fateful-play-call-by-pete-carroll/

Because, I honestly, still have no idea. 

I'm glad it worked out but being someone who loves studying football strategy and the chess-like aspect of coaching and coaches at a much, much, much, much, much lower level of football, I still can't come to a conclusion on this. 

[celticsclay]

Alright, after a couple of days to digest it, I'm going to ask the question;

During that sequence between the Lynch run to the 1/2 yard line & Butler's INT,  are people buying the idea that Belichick was playing the highest stakes game of chicken ever with Carroll by not calling a timeout or was he literally still shell shocked by the Kearse catch?

The Washington Post had an excellent article on this:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/02/02/bill-belichick-made-a-sneaky-smart-decision-that-might-have-contributed-to-fateful-play-call-by-pete-carroll/

Because, I honestly, still have no idea. 

I'm glad it worked out but being someone who loves studying football strategy and the chess-like aspect of coaching and coaches at a much, much, much, much, much lower level of football, I still can't come to a conclusion on this.

I was debating this all week with my brother and still think he should have called a timeout. I think Brady leading the team down for a field goal with either 1 or zero timeouts left and 50 seconds was higher probability than them stopping them from 2 and goal at the 1. Remember Brady had already driven them for 140 yards in the 4th quarter at this point

[manl_lui]

Here is another question - I've been having debates with my friends

with his 4th ring and 6 trips to the Super Bowl

is Brady now

1. Best athlete in Boston
2. Better than Bird?
3. The Michael Jordan of NFL?

[Donoghus]

Alright, after a couple of days to digest it, I'm going to ask the question;

During that sequence between the Lynch run to the 1/2 yard line & Butler's INT,  are people buying the idea that Belichick was playing the highest stakes game of chicken ever with Carroll by not calling a timeout or was he literally still shell shocked by the Kearse catch?

The Washington Post had an excellent article on this:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/02/02/bill-belichick-made-a-sneaky-smart-decision-that-might-have-contributed-to-fateful-play-call-by-pete-carroll/

Because, I honestly, still have no idea. 

I'm glad it worked out but being someone who loves studying football strategy and the chess-like aspect of coaching and coaches at a much, much, much, much, much lower level of football, I still can't come to a conclusion on this.

I was debating this all week with my brother and still think he should have called a timeout. I think Brady leading the team down for a field goal with either 1 or zero timeouts left and 50 seconds was higher probability than them stopping them from 2 and goal at the 1. Remember Brady had already driven them for 140 yards in the 4th quarter at this point

But Brady had been doing it with mostly dink & dunk passing.  That type of offense doesn't exactly fly in a situation where you need to go 40-50 yards in under a minute with one or no timeouts left.   Passing to the middle of the field is almost totally out of the question in that situation and the defense knows that.   Not impossible but certainly not easy. 

At the time, I thought they should've just let Lynch score there on 1st down.  Get the ball back with roughly 55 seconds to go and two timeouts only needing to get into FG range.   Gives you more options on what you can do offensively. 

After the fact, and hearing Belichick's rationale for it, it is absolutely amazing to me to think that he was able put call upon a scenario in his head for that very situation is the amount of time he did.  That he was going to push Carroll to throw there on second down and force his hand by not calling a timeout and that Carroll actually played into the hands of the personnel that Belichick already had out there on the field.     Just amazing to think he would have the recall to figure that it in that very situation with the chaos going on all around him.

[Donoghus]

Here is another question - I've been having debates with my friends

with his 4th ring and 6 trips to the Super Bowl

is Brady now

1. Best athlete in Boston
2. Better than Bird?
3. The Michael Jordan of NFL?

1.  No.   Russell still has to be ahead of him. 
2.  Tough call.   Really tough call. I honestly don't know.   Can I say they're on the same page?
3.  No.   Jim Brown or Jerry Rice would've been the Michael Jordan of the NFL.  Maybe prime Lawrence Taylor.   Tough to contrast the sports to begin with.  I always thought Brady was like Jeter but more talented to his sport than Jeter was to his. 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Here is another question - I've been having debates with my friends

with his 4th ring and 6 trips to the Super Bowl

is Brady now

1. Best athlete in Boston
2. Better than Bird?
3. The Michael Jordan of NFL?

1.  No.   Russell still has to be ahead of him. 
2.  Tough call.   Really tough call. I honestly don't know.   Can I say they're on the same page?
3.  No.   Jim Brown or Jerry Rice would've been the Michael Jordan of the NFL.  Maybe prime Lawrence Taylor.   Tough to contrast the sports to begin with.  I always thought Brady was like Jeter but more talented to his sport than Jeter was to his.

You guys are just looking at it wrong.  Michael Jordan is the Tom Brady of the NBA, not the other way around

[KeepRondo]

Here is another question - I've been having debates with my friends

with his 4th ring and 6 trips to the Super Bowl

is Brady now

1. Best athlete in Boston
2. Better than Bird?
3. The Michael Jordan of NFL?

I think you have to consider every one of these questions. And I think after Brady retires, his historical value will increase.

Just a couple random thoughts.

There are some people saying Montana's four out of four super bowls is better then Brady's four out of six. But I think Brady should get credit for getting his team to two additional super bowls that Montana was not able to.

What does this latest super bowl win do to the Manning Brady debate? Does Manning even have a chance in this debate?

[nickagneta]

Never mind those questions. How much off an NFL god does Brady become if the Pats repeat and he wins a 5th SB and 4th SB MVP?

[Eja117]

I feel like if you take away Rice from Montana and Young they're still great, but if you take away Montana and Young from Rice he becomes a merely very good receiver.

[mef730]

And the question is...

1) How many points did we lose the game by?
2) What is my IQ?
3) How many Super Bowl rings does Tom Brady have?

With thanks to meme sites everywhere.

(Pls see attachment since I can't figure out how to load a @$%&@#$ picture.  Thank you for your understanding.)

Mike

[Mencius]

Here's a really great youtube clip shot from the sideline of the interception at the end of the game.  Listen to that atmosphere.  Electric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RgloErF-H2c

[Donoghus]

That angle also shows you that Butler knew exactly what he was doing before and during the play.   He knew what was coming.  Still amazing that he actually held onto the ball after the collision.

[Mencius]

That angle also shows you that Butler knew exactly what he was doing before and during the play.   He knew what was coming.  Still amazing that he actually held onto the ball after the collision.

Yeah, incredible that he got there and then managed to hang onto it.

Look what Wilson was looking at when he threw it.  Guy was wide open.  Wilson was late on the throw.

[KeepRondo]

Here's a really great youtube clip shot from the sideline of the interception at the end of the game.  Listen to that atmosphere.  Electric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RgloErF-H2c

Dang. That 8000 would had been a bargain to be there.