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Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #330 on: February 02, 2015, 08:58:53 PM »

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Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #331 on: February 02, 2015, 09:24:09 PM »

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I dont want to wish that kind of defeat on any fanbase...However after Tyree and Manningham I think it's time we were on the RIGHT side of one.

Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #332 on: February 02, 2015, 10:21:35 PM »

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This is all I gotta say to non Pats fans....especially Seattle and all their roided up players.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPFMzskXZvY

ha , didn't you want to trade Brady a few years ago when he lost to the Sanchez lead Jets  ?  :P
I wanted to explore options for sure.

Happy to be wrong. If people want to peg that on me....I ain't even mad bro

I think it was Brady for Matt Ryan and a first round pick, if I recall correctly.
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Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #333 on: February 02, 2015, 11:11:15 PM »

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What are the odds that Malcolm Butler is even on the Pats next season?  Less than 20%?

Not as good as the odds he will get a serious upgrade in playing time next season, if not start.

Pat fans loved this guy in pre-season.  So glad he got to make that play...
I seriously doubt that his chances of making the team are any better or worse because Butler made that play. Belichick could care less. Butler did his job. If he wants to continue to have a job in New England he's going to have to convince Belichick he deserves one and that means practicing well this off season and playing well next pre season

I think Coach Bill gives him more than the 20% chance you give him of making next year's roster.

Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #334 on: February 03, 2015, 12:53:45 AM »

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I'm tired of people saying that Tom Brady is the best quarterback of all time. At this point he's the greatest player of all time. A true legend. Football's Michael Jordan.

Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #335 on: February 03, 2015, 06:29:45 AM »

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This is all I gotta say to non Pats fans....especially Seattle and all their roided up players.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPFMzskXZvY

ha , didn't you want to trade Brady a few years ago when he lost to the Sanchez lead Jets  ?  :P
I wanted to explore options for sure.

Happy to be wrong. If people want to peg that on me....I ain't even mad bro

I think it was Brady for Matt Ryan and a first round pick, if I recall correctly.
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I don't mind opening that can. I wasn't the only one interested.  And then there were the people this year that said he was on the back nine. We could open that can too!   :o

Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #336 on: February 03, 2015, 08:41:39 AM »

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amazing game
here's a great article by a great writer on "lynchgate"
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/02/02/statistically-seahawks-play-call-not-bad-you-think/9Tt9A9avhWuaZGXBlTdTDI/story.html

speier throws around a lot of stats, but a couple that stand out are that in the last 3 years in the NFL the INT + fumble rate for QBs from the 1-yard line is only 1.8%. the fumble rate for RBs in the same situation is 1.7%.
bottom line it was a great defensive play with a low INT chance, and because the seahawks only had 1 time out left they were essentially forced to throw the ball on either 2nd or 3rd down.
and wilson has made the plays time and again in the playoffs and has bailed his team out (like at the end of the first half!). it just didn't work this time.

Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #337 on: February 03, 2015, 10:47:53 AM »

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amazing game
here's a great article by a great writer on "lynchgate"
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/02/02/statistically-seahawks-play-call-not-bad-you-think/9Tt9A9avhWuaZGXBlTdTDI/story.html

speier throws around a lot of stats, but a couple that stand out are that in the last 3 years in the NFL the INT + fumble rate for QBs from the 1-yard line is only 1.8%. the fumble rate for RBs in the same situation is 1.7%.
bottom line it was a great defensive play with a low INT chance, and because the seahawks only had 1 time out left they were essentially forced to throw the ball on either 2nd or 3rd down.
and wilson has made the plays time and again in the playoffs and has bailed his team out (like at the end of the first half!). it just didn't work this time.

I still think it was a ridiculously stupid play call.  Pats D ranked dead last in power run ranking ( http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl )  and SEA had, arguably, the best goal line running back in the game.  I though Carroll & the offensive coordinator got too cute.

I understand the idea of throwing the ball on 2nd down as to how it relates to clock management with only one timeout remaining but when you've been living & dying with Lynch all season and are one yard away from a touchdown (after picking up 5 yards on first down), just run it down their throats.   


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Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #338 on: February 03, 2015, 11:05:37 AM »

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Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #339 on: February 03, 2015, 11:41:10 AM »

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What are the odds that Malcolm Butler is even on the Pats next season?  Less than 20%?

Not as good as the odds he will get a serious upgrade in playing time next season, if not start.

Pat fans loved this guy in pre-season.  So glad he got to make that play...
I seriously doubt that his chances of making the team are any better or worse because Butler made that play. Belichick could care less. Butler did his job. If he wants to continue to have a job in New England he's going to have to convince Belichick he deserves one and that means practicing well this off season and playing well next pre season

I think Coach Bill gives him more than the 20% chance you give him of making next year's roster.

Agreed. He's on a rookie contract so not impacting the cap much, which is an important consideration (the Pats are over the cap right now, but that is assuming no change to Revis' contract). I think a more likely scenario is that Dennard is cut, and Butler more or less becomes the 4th CB (after Revis, Browner, Arrington). I think it is a prove it year for Logan Ryan.
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Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #340 on: February 03, 2015, 12:10:30 PM »

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I'm tired of people saying that Tom Brady is the best quarterback of all time. At this point he's the greatest player of all time. A true legend. Football's Michael Jordan.

LOL Not a chance in the world, it is debatable whether he is even the best QB of all time.

Jerry Rice is the GOAT of all time football player.

He is much farther ahead of his peers at the position than Brady is (considering he is NOT even close to being the consensus #1 QB of all time).


Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #341 on: February 03, 2015, 02:01:46 PM »

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I dont want to wish that kind of defeat on any fanbase...However after Tyree and Manningham I think it's time we were on the RIGHT side of one.

Agree with all of this. TP.
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Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #342 on: February 04, 2015, 02:35:59 PM »

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Having finally stopped giggling like a school girl after Sunday night...

Thank you in advance for listening to my stream of consciousness:

First, I'm tired of people who rooted for the Seahawks (Hey, you can get off the bandwagon now.) telling me that the interception was "lucky."  Yeah, right, because that catch that Kearse made was 100% skill.  Let's get one of those physics professors who was all over deflategate to tell us about the chances of a ball bouncing off his hands, hitting his knee, rolling up his outstretched leg, bouncing off his right hand and landing on his chest are...

http://deadspin.com/jermaine-kearses-insane-super-bowl-catch-in-extreme-sl-1683234978

I'm not taking anything away from the catch.  It was amazing.  But you can't label one luck and one skill.

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The Pats are the youngest team to ever win a Super Bowl.

Add that to the legacy of Bill Belichick

And I believe that BB is the third oldest.  Take that, young whipper-snappers!  He was walking to Schaefer uphill (both ways) in the snow before Gronk was born!

I'm tired of people saying that Tom Brady is the best quarterback of all time. At this point he's the greatest player of all time. A true legend. Football's Michael Jordan.

A bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?  Shouldn't it be that Michael Jordan is basketball's Tom Brady? ;)

Neither of them, however, will ever outdo Tedy Bruschi.  He went back for the freakin' squeaky toys!  (May not load right the first time; you may need to un-mute it.).

http://media.wgr550.com/a/17953440/classic-bits-tedy-bruschi.htm?q=tedy+bruschi


It freaked me out at the time, too, but think about it. It was only 2nd down. If Seattle scores, the Pats have preserved all of their timeouts and only need a FG. The Pats can't win if Seattle scores *and* they don't have enough timeouts to run all of their routes on offense. So you need a stop on 2nd down, then you call the timeout. If they score on 3rd down, you still have multiple timeouts and can run ~3 plays to get 40 yards and kick a FG. If they don't score on 3rd down, you call timeout and have 1 play to win the Super Bowl.

It wouldn't have been crazy to call the timeout of course, but stupid, period? Not in the Pats playbook. There is no football team on the planet more aware of what they are doing at that point in a game.

Here's my take, and maybe I'm just over-estimating BB's abilities: It's 2nd and goal on the 1.  You have two choices:

Choice 1: Call the time out, give them a minute to regroup and figure out what they are going to do.  If they score, you then have one time out and need to go the length of the field in under a minute.  Fortunately, that Pats have never been in that situation before.  Oh, wait, they have...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLVI

What are the odds that you can get 60 yards or so in that minute against the best defense in the NFL?  Not good.  I love Brady, but he'd be chucking a lot of short passes over the middle.

Choice 2: Knowing that Seattle has one time out and will let the clock run, it's safe to assume that they will get three shots at the end zone, but one of them is going to have to be a pass to stop the clock if it's incomplete.  You're okay with the pass.  Russell Wilson is a young quarterback, and you have a history of messing up young QBs.  So you decide to leave it to your defense to stop them twice.  Risky?  Sure, but look at your other option above.  Your defense has gotten you here, have faith.  I'm guessing he wasn't counting on a pass on the first play, but sometimes you just get lucky.

I was screaming at the TV for Belichick to call the time out, having already accepted defeat (i.e., that the Seahawks score and I have to preserve time).  Belichick did not.  And that leads me to my final conclusion: There's a reason that one of us is the head coach of the Super Bowl champs and the other is typing away on a sports blog.

Mike

Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #343 on: February 04, 2015, 03:26:15 PM »

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GIF that Sherman reaction please.
I'll be making a trip to CVS to get a poster size picture of that.

Awesome how the Seahawks got stuck with 24 points after Sherman made that 24 gesture.

Re: Super bowl XLIX Thread
« Reply #344 on: February 04, 2015, 03:30:39 PM »

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Mef730,

All great points. But I think the best response to the whiners saying we got lucky is to just laugh in their face and remind them who won the game.

I just hahahaha at all the haters. It feels darn good and it incites them even more. Kind of like smiling at the crazy guy with road rage.