Why don't we take a chance on Bismack Biyombo?

[LarBrd33]

Here he is in his most recent game: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1zPi_arxIY

Here was also an article about a loss to the Spurs (the only loss in the past 9 games):  http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/01/14/5448293/tom-sorensen-bismack-biyombo-was.html#.VMExS8bmtng

I also have San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich.

?I thought he was a monster,? Popovich said about Biyombo. ?He?s so strong. So athletic. So young. We just didn?t have anybody. We were talking about gang rebounding; it didn?t matter. He was too much of an athlete for us.?

Popovich was asked if Biyombo?s presence was such that his guards had to stop going to the basket.

?Well, one would think that a reasonable individual, after being just humiliated several times in a row, would think of a different option,? he said. ?But we weren?t that reasonable. We just kept doing it. It?s a mystery to me, too. That will certainly be on the film session: ?What were you thinking?? ?

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/01/14/5448293/tom-sorensen-bismack-biyombo-was.html#storylink=cpy

I think he can turn into something between rich man's Kendrick Perkins and poor man's Ben Wallace.

[D.o.s.]

As someone who has debated the merits of Biyombo many times before (with many of the same posters in this thread, no less), he's still not worth it.

He's a quality rebounder and defender.  They have won their last 8 out of 9 games and biyombo has started.  The team's defensive rating is significantly higher with biyombo (and mkg) in the game. It's not a coincidence that they started winning once those guys got more minutes.

Beyond the small sample size, of which you're surely aware, the correlation should not be introduced as causation: The only legitimately 'good' team that the Hornets beat over that stretch were the Miami Heat -- it took them overtime to notch 80 points against a crippled Pacers team, they beat the Pelicans because Kemba Walker erupted for 31 points. Same song second verse for the Raptors game, but it was Gerald Henderson going for 30+ (Walker only notched 29 that game).

If you have two of your starting wing players scoring 50+ points in a game, you're probably going to win it -- Bismack or no Bismack. That said, he is a solid defensive player, and if you're looking for a D-League Ben Wallace, you could do much worse.

Ok so it's a small sample size, but I read that they have the highest defensive rating in the league when Biyombo is on the court.

It's possible, although I'm not entirely sure of it. Of course, super small sample size and I'm busy enough that I can't parse out every Biyombo lineup at the moment:


http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*CHA


EDIT: Also worth noting -- look at how terrifyingly open he is at the beginning of that first clip, and Henderson's still taking a contested 2 pointer instead.

[LarBrd33]

I have a little bit of a bias here, though.  I've been saying for a while that the Celtics needed to target under-performing prospects with high ceilings like Ben Mclemore, Bismack Biyombo and MKG...  but this year it's become a bit of a moot point as all three of those guys have started to reach their potential and their trade values likely aren't rock bottom anymore.

There was a time where trading Jeff Green for MKG + Biyombo not only seemed feasible, but would get moans and groans on the forum from folks who saw it as a "horrible move"...   We probably would have been lucky to get either one of those guys for Green.

[Celtics18]

biyombo seems to be a back-up quality center given his lack of offense. since the celtics already have seller, who is also a back-up level talent at center, do the celtics really have the salary space to pay $4-6 million for a third-string center?

unless people here think biyombo is preferable to zeller. is that the case? are folks saying biyombo should replace zeller?

But, they are completely different kinds of back ups.  Zeller is an offensively talented, defensively limited back up while Biyombo is the reverse.

If we are not going to have a starting caliber center, I'd prefer to have two back ups who bring different things to the table. 

[celticsclay]

I have a little bit of a bias here, though.  I've been saying for a while that the Celtics needed to target under-performing prospects with high ceilings like Ben Mclemore, Bismack Biyombo and MKG...  but this year it's become a bit of a moot point as all three of those guys have started to reach their potential and their trade values likely aren't rock bottom anymore.

There was a time where trading Jeff Green for MKG + Biyombo not only seemed feasible, but would get moans and groans on the forum from folks who saw it as a "horrible move"...   We probably would have been lucky to get either one of those guys for Green.

You are one smart dude

[SHAQATTACK]

Meh....

We can get a first rounder center that good easy enough......nothing to go after , we need a Starting center franchise player ...like a D12 or Davis type to build around .....nobody is going to want to join Bismack ...LOL....we need serious talent.

Rather have Zeller any day.

[Tr1boy]

Bc the Hornets don't want to give up on him
Al Jefferson is back to being injured and collecting pay cheques

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets traded along with Stephenson soon.  Hornets have played better this season without these two

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Because I think Danny doesnt want to take a chance on anyone.

Whiteside was available for practically a vet. minimum and didn't give him a glimpse. I think Danny is just not in a take a chance mood now, nor ever.

Yeah, how dare Danny not sign a guy who last spring got cut from his Lebanese league team.  Miami is still trying to make the playoffs, and he only played 25 minutes total the last two games, barely a week after going for 23 and 16..  There's probably a reason for both of these things, and the reason might be why Whiteside was not signed.

Yeah, he was tearing up the D-League when he came back to America and Danny didn't even give him a glimpse.

If he didn't give a chance on a hot player coming in Developmental who can be had for cheap, why would he spend some picks he acquired to "give a chance" on Biyombo?

[moiso]

I have a little bit of a bias here, though.  I've been saying for a while that the Celtics needed to target under-performing prospects with high ceilings like Ben Mclemore, Bismack Biyombo and MKG...  but this year it's become a bit of a moot point as all three of those guys have started to reach their potential and their trade values likely aren't rock bottom anymore.

There was a time where trading Jeff Green for MKG + Biyombo not only seemed feasible, but would get moans and groans on the forum from folks who saw it as a "horrible move"...   We probably would have been lucky to get either one of those guys for Green.

I don't think any of those three players have taken a leap this year.  Just normal slight improvement that really young guys are supposed to make.  They all still project the same as they ever did.

[Beat LA]

He's one of three players who I want from Charlotte, the other two being Noah Vonleh and PJ Hairston.  Would MJ be dumb enough to give us those guys for, say, Bradley, KO, and Bass?  Ahaha I know - I'm just having some fun, lol.

Yah Noah Vonleh was definitely a player I wanted to move up and draft. That kid seems to have pretty good overall offensive game. I just don't know about his defense. KO and Bass and a late first round pick would definitely be worth it to me. I just don't think they want Kemba and Bradley next to each other.

While the pairing of Kemba and Bradley in the backcourt would obviously have trouble against pretty much every team, lol, Bradley complements Kemba, whereas Stephenson does not, as both he and Walker need the ball to score.  I'd be interested to see how a three guard rotation of Kemba, Avery, and Stephenson (with Lance as their sixth man, of course) would perform.

As for Vonleh, I'll admit that I didn't like him after hearing around the time of the draft that he had a quitter's mentality, iirc, but I also thought that KO would use the final games of last season to propel his development into this year, and it just hasn't happened, and Sullinger has been up and down, and that's being kind, lol.  Vonleh's not getting any time in Charlotte and he's younger than Sully and KO, not to mention the fact that he actually PLAYS INSIDE, lol.   It's the little things in life, haha.   Stevens would never play him, though, because he's not a 'stretch 4.'   Ugh.

[Beat LA]

I think he can turn into something between rich man's Kendrick Perkins and poor man's Ben Wallace.

I believe that's why he was drafted so high at the time, iirc, because of his comparison, unfairly or not, to Big Ben.  Didn't he also play tremendously well in the world games or something prior to that draft?  I can't remember anymore, but his recent play doesn't surprise me, and I'd like him here as well, but I don't see it happening.  Sigh.

[Beat LA]

Meh....

We can get a first rounder center that good easy enough......nothing to go after , we need a Starting center franchise player ...like a D12 or Davis type to build around .....nobody is going to want to join Bismack ...LOL....we need serious talent.

Rather have Zeller any day.

Are you sure about that, because I have a feeling that the Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, and Graef Spee would disagree with you (sarcasm).   Yawohl, lol!   Ahaha.

[hwangjini_1]

Meh....

We can get a first rounder center that good easy enough......nothing to go after , we need a Starting center franchise player ...like a D12 or Davis type to build around .....nobody is going to want to join Bismack ...LOL....we need serious talent.

Rather have Zeller any day.

Are you sure about that, because I have a feeling that the Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, and Graef Spee would disagree with you (sarcasm).   Yawohl, lol!   Ahaha.

cute. and dont forget what happened to it. hopefully biyombo has a better fate in store.

[SHAQATTACK]

Meh....

We can get a first rounder center that good easy enough......nothing to go after , we need a Starting center franchise player ...like a D12 or Davis type to build around .....nobody is going to want to join Bismack ...LOL....we need serious talent.

Rather have Zeller any day.

Are you sure about that, because I have a feeling that the Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, and Graef Spee would disagree with you (sarcasm).   Yawohl, lol!   Ahaha.

You dumb  redneck lol ..... ......that was Bismarck .....  Not Mack ......LOL ......and beside ....letting a wwI biplane sink your ship ...well that sinks too.

[Beat LA]

Meh....

We can get a first rounder center that good easy enough......nothing to go after , we need a Starting center franchise player ...like a D12 or Davis type to build around .....nobody is going to want to join Bismack ...LOL....we need serious talent.

Rather have Zeller any day.

Are you sure about that, because I have a feeling that the Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, and Graef Spee would disagree with you (sarcasm).   Yawohl, lol!   Ahaha.

You dumb  redneck lol ..... ......that was Bismarck .....  Not Mack ......LOL ......and beside ....letting a wwI biplane sink your ship ...well that sinks too.

Lol, I know.  I was just making a funny, haha.   Plus, Germany did have colonies in Africa at one point, so maybe Biyombo's first name is the phonetic spelling of Bismark, lol.  It counts, it counts (sarcasm).