#DeflateGate (Court of Appeals Reinstates Suspension)

[Rondo2287]

He lied to them and refused to turn over his phone / emails.

He did? I'm curious where you got this, since despite interviewing Brady for 8 hours, the report barely mentions what he said during that time (hashtag SeemsLegit).

He denied knowing the deflator, which clearly wasn't true.

Other than what Jastremski says, there is in fact little evidence in the report that he did.

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Which its very possible Jastremski was lying.  Its pretty clear McNally wasn't getting much love from brady which is why he had to keep asking Jastremski  for shoes.  Jastremski may have just been trying to butter him up

[Donoghus]

Here's the thing, though.  The report is done.  It's in.  Finished. 

Unless the investigation is somehow reopened (not gonna happen), the NFL is now going to take their report into their own hands and act accordingly based on their own collective bargaining agreement and whatever other by-laws are used by them. 

Goodell & Vincent are going to rule on this thing by their terms.  Which is the scary thing.  Even if the report is flimsy, it's done.  They're going to use it to make their using.  Based on prior precedents, some sort of punishment is going to be handed down.

[D.o.s.]

Swinging the Ginger Hammer.

The problem, for me, is that Goodell and company use the various hot takes to determine where public opinion lies before determining their verdicts. This sort of wraps into what Donoghus was saying earlier -- this doesn't happen if it's the Jaguars.

For example, there's no way in hell that Olbermann's yearlong ban is enforced, but the league office totally read that story.

[kozlodoev]

Which its very possible Jastremski was lying.  Its pretty clear McNally wasn't getting much love from brady which is why he had to keep asking Jastremski  for shoes.  Jastremski may have just been trying to butter him up

The fact is that we don't know what precisely was asked from Jastremski. Everyone seems to be assuming that Brady has asked him to make sure that balls are deflated to below specification after they're approved by the officials, which is an awfully huge leap based on what's out there.

It's certainly a possible scenario, but it's equally possible that Jastremski was just asked to make sure the balls don't "suck" come game time.

[kozlodoev]

Here's the thing, though.  The report is done.  It's in.  Finished. 

Unless the investigation is somehow reopened (not gonna happen), the NFL is now going to take their report into their own hands and act accordingly based on their own collective bargaining agreement and whatever other by-laws are used by them. 

Goodell & Vincent are going to rule on this thing by their terms.  Which is the scary thing.  Even if the report is flimsy, it's done.  They're going to use it to make their using.  Based on prior precedents, some sort of punishment is going to be handed down.

Sure, but prior precedents include a $20,000 fine for using a Stickum towel, and a warning for tampering with game balls using heaters. And yet, somehow we're taking about multi-game suspensions and bans. 

[Donoghus]

Swinging the Ginger Hammer.

It's really amazing when you compare him to Adam Silver.  It's like night & day.

Heck, this guy has made Gary Bettman look good.  That's no easy task!

[Donoghus]

Here's the thing, though.  The report is done.  It's in.  Finished. 

Unless the investigation is somehow reopened (not gonna happen), the NFL is now going to take their report into their own hands and act accordingly based on their own collective bargaining agreement and whatever other by-laws are used by them. 

Goodell & Vincent are going to rule on this thing by their terms.  Which is the scary thing.  Even if the report is flimsy, it's done.  They're going to use it to make their using.  Based on prior precedents, some sort of punishment is going to be handed down.

Sure, but prior precedents include a $20,000 fine for using a Stickum towel, and a warning for tampering with game balls using heaters. And yet, somehow we're taking about multi-game suspensions and bans. 

True but when has this regime shown any sort of consistency in regards to punishments?

They seem to measure public outcry then act accordingly.  It's a joke.

[knuckleballer]

Here's the thing, though.  The report is done.  It's in.  Finished. 

Unless the investigation is somehow reopened (not gonna happen), the NFL is now going to take their report into their own hands and act accordingly based on their own collective bargaining agreement and whatever other by-laws are used by them. 

Goodell & Vincent are going to rule on this thing by their terms.  Which is the scary thing.  Even if the report is flimsy, it's done.  They're going to use it to make their using.  Based on prior precedents, some sort of punishment is going to be handed down.

And Brady and the players union can challenge any punishment that is handed down.  Based on the comments from Brady's lawyer/agent, if any significant punishment is handed down, this will not be over.  It will, however, get much more interesting.

[D.o.s.]

Here's the thing, though.  The report is done.  It's in.  Finished. 

Unless the investigation is somehow reopened (not gonna happen), the NFL is now going to take their report into their own hands and act accordingly based on their own collective bargaining agreement and whatever other by-laws are used by them. 

Goodell & Vincent are going to rule on this thing by their terms.  Which is the scary thing.  Even if the report is flimsy, it's done.  They're going to use it to make their using.  Based on prior precedents, some sort of punishment is going to be handed down.

And Brady and the players union can challenge any punishment that is handed down.  Based on the comments from Brady's lawyer/agent, if any significant punishment is handed down, this will not be over.  It will, however, get much more interesting.

The NFLPA is pretty weak in regards to appealing punishments. Or at least, they have been, historically.

[knuckleballer]

Which its very possible Jastremski was lying.  Its pretty clear McNally wasn't getting much love from brady which is why he had to keep asking Jastremski  for shoes.  Jastremski may have just been trying to butter him up

The fact is that we don't know what precisely was asked from Jastremski. Everyone seems to be assuming that Brady has asked him to make sure that balls are deflated to below specification after they're approved by the officials, which is an awfully huge leap based on what's out there.

It's certainly a possible scenario, but it's equally possible that Jastremski was just asked to make sure the balls don't "suck" come game time.

If you read that full conversation, Brady was upset about some of the balls being over inflated.  Jastremski tested them and found some to be 16 psi and specifically told McNally they should have been 13 and to make sure that the officials don't overinflate them.  A few days later as part of that extended conversation, Jastremski relayed that Brady wanted them to be 12.5 and that they should print off a page of the rulebook and show it to the refs if they try to inflate them past that.  That was the jist of the conversation.  The rest was friendly banter from which Wells cherry picked specific texts which he inferred nefarious behavior.  The part where Jastremsk specifically stated the balls should have been 13, contradicted any of those inferences, but Wells just glossed over that.

[knuckleballer]

Here's the thing, though.  The report is done.  It's in.  Finished. 

Unless the investigation is somehow reopened (not gonna happen), the NFL is now going to take their report into their own hands and act accordingly based on their own collective bargaining agreement and whatever other by-laws are used by them. 

Goodell & Vincent are going to rule on this thing by their terms.  Which is the scary thing.  Even if the report is flimsy, it's done.  They're going to use it to make their using.  Based on prior precedents, some sort of punishment is going to be handed down.

And Brady and the players union can challenge any punishment that is handed down.  Based on the comments from Brady's lawyer/agent, if any significant punishment is handed down, this will not be over.  It will, however, get much more interesting.

The NFLPA is pretty weak in regards to appealing punishments. Or at least, they have been, historically.

I'm not sure, but you are probably right.  This is a unique case though.

[D.o.s.]

Totally -- just in general, the NFL just has a pretty ironclad grip on their workers, which is why they have non-guaranteed contracts and the like.

Which is particularly problematic in a situation like this, where it's informally known that every single team does stuff like this: punters paying the ball boys to rough the balls up before games, the infamous Rodgers overinflation/Minny heating the balls up, etc.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Here's the thing, though.  The report is done.  It's in.  Finished. 

Unless the investigation is somehow reopened (not gonna happen), the NFL is now going to take their report into their own hands and act accordingly based on their own collective bargaining agreement and whatever other by-laws are used by them. 

Goodell & Vincent are going to rule on this thing by their terms.  Which is the scary thing.  Even if the report is flimsy, it's done.  They're going to use it to make their using.  Based on prior precedents, some sort of punishment is going to be handed down.

Sure, but prior precedents include a $20,000 fine for using a Stickum towel, and a warning for tampering with game balls using heaters. And yet, somehow we're taking about multi-game suspensions and bans. 

Exactly. TP. For me, this is what this entire situation boils down to. Several other teams have broken rules equivalent to going 5 mph over the speed limit and were penalized accordingly, but when the Patriots go 5 mph over the speed limit, people start acting like Brady beat up Giselle.

[kozlodoev]

Which is particularly problematic in a situation like this, where it's informally known that every single team does stuff like this: punters paying the ball boys to rough the balls up before games, the infamous Rodgers overinflation/Minny heating the balls up, etc.

Sorry, but that in particular is probably not  true. Kicking balls arrive factory sealed, and teams have allotted time before the game to beat them up as much as they can. All within standard procedure.

[Eja117]

About the cell phone, chances are more probable than not that he has naughty slash nude photos of the most famous models of all time, his wife. I would rather upset Roger dodger, than my uber rich ultra hot wife. Who dare disagree.

That's probably why they wanted his phone.