#DeflateGate (Court of Appeals Reinstates Suspension)

[celticsclay]

Belichick who is one of the most prepared coaches in the history of the game has no clue about game ball procedures??  Brady who is one of the most prepared QB's of all time couldn't tell a difference in the footballs being 2lbs lighter and had no clue why in the start of the second half a ref ran in and took the ball and replaced it? They know the NFL doesn't have concrete proof of how it happened unless someone is willing to talk. Knowing this they both hold a press conference and play ignorant.
It had zero outcome on the game but teams must be getting tired of the Patriots pulling crap like this. This hurts their credabilty and taints their team when it wasn't even needed.

in the words of richard sherman, you mad bruh?

[GreenFaith1819]

LOL I have no idea why this is even an issue still.

Amazing.

[LooseCannon]

LOL I have no idea why this is even an issue still.

Because no one cares about the Pro Bowl.

[rondohondo]

Belichick who is one of the most prepared coaches in the history of the game has no clue about game ball procedures??  Brady who is one of the most prepared QB's of all time couldn't tell a difference in the footballs being 2lbs lighter and had no clue why in the start of the second half a ref ran in and took the ball and replaced it? They know the NFL doesn't have concrete proof of how it happened unless someone is willing to talk. Knowing this they both hold a press conference and play ignorant.
It had zero outcome on the game but teams must be getting tired of the Patriots pulling crap like this. This hurts their credabilty and taints their team when it wasn't even needed.

it's not 2lbs difference, it's 2 psi difference , which is the equivalent of the weight of a dollar bill

[JSD]

Sensational media at its finest.

The refs were presented with balls and didn't do their due diligence in measuring the air. It's that simple, I think.

[JSD]

Belichick who is one of the most prepared coaches in the history of the game has no clue about game ball procedures??  Brady who is one of the most prepared QB's of all time couldn't tell a difference in the footballs being 2lbs lighter and had no clue why in the start of the second half a ref ran in and took the ball and replaced it? They know the NFL doesn't have concrete proof of how it happened unless someone is willing to talk. Knowing this they both hold a press conference and play ignorant.
It had zero outcome on the game but teams must be getting tired of the Patriots pulling crap like this. This hurts their credabilty and taints their team when it wasn't even needed.

it's not 2lbs difference, it's 2 psi difference , which is the equivalent of the weight of a dollar bill

The general public not understanding this distinction is a big part of the problem.

[D.o.s.]

LOL I have no idea why this is even an issue still.

Because no one cares about the Pro Bowl.

TP.

[Donoghus]

LOL I have no idea why this is even an issue still.

Because no one cares about the Pro Bowl.

TP.

TP x 2.  That might be the best post in this whole thread.

[footey]

The idea that Brady can't tell the difference between the ball he supposedly hand-chose five hours previously, and an under-inflated ball, is laughable.

Well, he straightfaced said he could not tell the difference between the properly inflated balls used in the second half and the ones used in the first half.  Do you think he is lying about that as well?

[Roy H.]

The idea that Brady can't tell the difference between the ball he supposedly hand-chose five hours previously, and an under-inflated ball, is laughable.

Well, he straightfaced said he could not tell the difference between the properly inflated balls used in the second half and the ones used in the first half.  Do you think he is lying about that as well?

Why wouldn't he?  I'm sure he's not anxious for his organization to lose draft picks.

People straight-faced lie all the time.

I also think it's funny that Brady says that he prefers 12.5 psi, rather than 13.5-psi, because of the difference in grip.  So, he obviously thinks there's a difference between 1.0 psi.  And yet, we're expected to believe the talking point that there's no real difference, or that Brady couldn't tell the difference, of 2.0 psi?

[footey]

NFL Live is destroying Brady.

This whole thing is getting ridiculous.

"Is getting"? When wasn't it?

Well the fact that Marc Brunell seemed choked up after Tom's presser because he was so disappointed is pretty ridiculous.

Baltimore's Chris Canty says this situation should be treated on the same level as PEDs, and Troy Aikman says the Patriots should be punished more severely than Sean Payton was for the Saints' bounty system (though Aikman seems to be factoring in "repeat offender" status for the Pats). All of it ridiculous.

Tom is about to pass Troy in Super Bowl wins, what do you expect?

[GreenFaith1819]

Mark Brunell: "I did not believe what Tom had to say. Those balls were deflated. Somebody had to do it. I don't believe there's an equipment manager in the NFL that would, on his own initiative, deflate a ball without the starting QB's approval ... That football is our livelihood. If you don't feel good about throwing that ball? Your success on the football field can suffer from that."

Jerome Bettis: "I'm so disappointed because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say 'You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It's on me. I'll take the blame here, and this will go away.' He didn't do that ... I'm disappointed in you, Tom Brady."

Brian Dawkins: "This is unbelievable. For you not to know what you touch every play? ... The equipment manager is being thrown under the bus now. Now he's the guy. Now he's the one responsible. He took it upon himself to doctor up the balls when nobody else knew about it? That hard [to believe]."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12212777/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-says-alter-footballs

I'll admit I have barely followed this stuff, because I think it's stupid.

But these comments here, by former players, are disappointing.

At "least" wait until the league has done it's investigation....WOW.

Tell you what, ESPN...banish Tom Brady and Coach Bellichik to Washington...we'll put them to good use there, lol.

Pierre Garcon and Desean Jackson would LOVE that kind of discipline

[footey]

The idea that Brady can't tell the difference between the ball he supposedly hand-chose five hours previously, and an under-inflated ball, is laughable.

Roy, in my opinion, your distaste for the patriots is really impacting your comments on this subject. The truth is there really isn't enough information out there right now to decide if anything is laughable. We have been given such limited information that anything is really still in play at this point. Like another user said we don't know if most of the balls were 12.2, 11.5 or 10.5.

Surprised given your background and normal discussion of things that you would take such a strong position with the level of info that is out there at the moment.

As I mentioned earlier also disappointing how little focus there is on the game at the moment.

The report was 2 PSI.  If that's accurate, it's laughable. 

I agree that I'd like the focus to be on the game, but let's be real: the idea that an Indy equipment manager could tell the ball was under-inflated, but Tom Brady couldn't, is silly.

Did not realize you were an expert of how different 10 psi football feels from a regulation one.  I read experts say it is not noticeable.  Why didn't the refs pick it up if it were.  Your comments that it is laughable are without foundation, counselor.

[Roy H.]

The idea that Brady can't tell the difference between the ball he supposedly hand-chose five hours previously, and an under-inflated ball, is laughable.

Roy, in my opinion, your distaste for the patriots is really impacting your comments on this subject. The truth is there really isn't enough information out there right now to decide if anything is laughable. We have been given such limited information that anything is really still in play at this point. Like another user said we don't know if most of the balls were 12.2, 11.5 or 10.5.

Surprised given your background and normal discussion of things that you would take such a strong position with the level of info that is out there at the moment.

As I mentioned earlier also disappointing how little focus there is on the game at the moment.

The report was 2 PSI.  If that's accurate, it's laughable. 

I agree that I'd like the focus to be on the game, but let's be real: the idea that an Indy equipment manager could tell the ball was under-inflated, but Tom Brady couldn't, is silly.

Did not realize you were an expert of how different 10 psi football feels from a regulation one.  I read experts say it is not noticeable.  Why didn't the refs pick it up if it were.  Your comments that it is laughable are without foundation, counselor.

Tom Brady himself says he can tell the difference of 1.0 psi, but he can't tell the difference between 2.0 psi?  Strange.

[celticsclay]

The idea that Brady can't tell the difference between the ball he supposedly hand-chose five hours previously, and an under-inflated ball, is laughable.

Roy, in my opinion, your distaste for the patriots is really impacting your comments on this subject. The truth is there really isn't enough information out there right now to decide if anything is laughable. We have been given such limited information that anything is really still in play at this point. Like another user said we don't know if most of the balls were 12.2, 11.5 or 10.5.

Surprised given your background and normal discussion of things that you would take such a strong position with the level of info that is out there at the moment.

As I mentioned earlier also disappointing how little focus there is on the game at the moment.

The report was 2 PSI.  If that's accurate, it's laughable. 

I agree that I'd like the focus to be on the game, but let's be real: the idea that an Indy equipment manager could tell the ball was under-inflated, but Tom Brady couldn't, is silly.

Did not realize you were an expert of how different 10 psi football feels from a regulation one.  I read experts say it is not noticeable.  Why didn't the refs pick it up if it were.  Your comments that it is laughable are without foundation, counselor.

Tom Brady himself says he can tell the difference of 1.0 psi, but he can't tell the difference between 2.0 psi?  Strange.

Roy, again, you are saying things that are not based on the available evidence or facts. The only thing I have read is that one of the patriots 11 deflated balls was as low as 10.5 (with the possibility of more being at this level or the possibility that the remaining balls had more pressure). We simply do not know from anything i have seen reported anywhere.

So we really don't know:

1) If the majority of the other balls were like this
2) if the 10.5 ball (or balls) was actually used and for how many plays

Ive been on this board (and its previous incarnations) going back to the ugly days and I can't really recall seeing you jump the gun on a topic like this before. I will have to go back and read your take on the ferguson stuff to compare.