Celtics (13-25) at Clippers (27-14) Game #39 1/19/15

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Sometimes its our starters doing well and he yanks them, sometimes its the bench... can you let the hot hands stay in there until they start to mess up? not in the middle of good play!!!!!!!!!

[mgent]

After watching Turner for a bit, I'm at a loss how he averaged 17 ppg. for half a season not that long ago. He can't control the ball on the dribble drive, is not particularly deceptive or particularly athletic, and his shot is spotty at best.

 

He was on one of the worst teams in the league.

I'll never figure out why people have so much trouble understanding that 17 ppg on a bottom feeder is nothing close to 17 ppg on a contender.  They're getting these numbers in garbage games where they've already lost 5 minutes in.  *cough* Kevin Love *cough*

[KeepRondo]

Sometimes its our starters doing well and he yanks them, sometimes its the bench... can you let the hot hands stay in there until they start to mess up? not in the middle of good play!!!!!!!!!

He's a numbers guy. He has his rotations figured out and doesn't seem to adjust to the game.

[Celts Fan 508]

After watching Turner for a bit, I'm at a loss how he averaged 17 ppg. for half a season not that long ago. He can't control the ball on the dribble drive, is not particularly deceptive or particularly athletic, and his shot is spotty at best.

 

He was on one of the worst teams in the league.

I'll never figure out why people have so much trouble understanding that 17 ppg on a bottom feeder is nothing close to 17 ppg on a contender.  They're getting these numbers in garbage games where they've already lost 5 minutes in.  *cough* Kevin Love *cough*

To add on, he was on a terrible team and was the 2nd pick in the draft so they did everything they could to prove they were right in taking him that high.

[KeepRondo]

After watching Turner for a bit, I'm at a loss how he averaged 17 ppg. for half a season not that long ago. He can't control the ball on the dribble drive, is not particularly deceptive or particularly athletic, and his shot is spotty at best.

 

He was on one of the worst teams in the league.

I'll never figure out why people have so much trouble understanding that 17 ppg on a bottom feeder is nothing close to 17 ppg on a contender.  They're getting these numbers in garbage games where they've already lost 5 minutes in.  *cough* Kevin Love *cough*

And that's why we got crap for Green. No one was going to go crazy for those stats he had on our team.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

How is it Turner's fault Stevens put him back in there to mess up our flow? If Turner is never put back in he wouldn't be getting all this hate LOL.

Sure he didn't play well and that's on him but you don't bring him in cold when there is rhythm and comeback brewing.

[KeepRondo]

How is it Turner's fault Stevens put him back in there to mess up our flow? If Turner is never put back in he wouldn't be getting all this hate LOL.

Sure he didn't play well and that's on him but you don't bring him in cold when there is rhythm and comeback brewing.

Maybe he said with his girly voice, coach am I going back in?

[hwangjini_1]

After watching Turner for a bit, I'm at a loss how he averaged 17 ppg. for half a season not that long ago. He can't control the ball on the dribble drive, is not particularly deceptive or particularly athletic, and his shot is spotty at best.

 

He was on one of the worst teams in the league.

I'll never figure out why people have so much trouble understanding that 17 ppg on a bottom feeder is nothing close to 17 ppg on a contender.  They're getting these numbers in garbage games where they've already lost 5 minutes in.  *cough* Kevin Love *cough*

And that's why we got crap for Green. No one was going to go crazy for those stats he had on our team.

actually, green puts up similar stats regardless of which team he has been on and whether or not they were good. that is his "strength" in a way, consistency.

[Who]

I think it's time to trade Sullinger, Zeller, Turner.  Or have them come from the bench

It's like every game we have to comeback from behind.   KO, Bass,Thornton, Smart have to do the dirty work to try to get this team back within 10.  Just start them so you don't get into a deep hole in the 1st place

The Celtics have one of the worst starting lineups in the league regardless of which combination of players they trot out there. They are going to regularly get beat by more talented opponents starting units.

The Celtics also have one of the deeper teams in the league. One of the better bench units. The Celtics 2nd unit should outplay opposing team's 2nd units fairly often.

Throw in games where you have bench players who are coming into games in low pressure situations because team is already in such a deficit and an opposing squad that is often relaxing when holding large leads ... and you have a situation where the bench will likely do very well after starters have done poorly. Giving unfair reflection of individual talents & efforts of respective starters / bench players on Celtics team.

Switch combination of players who start / come off the bench ... and you're probably going to end up with similar results. You are still going to have one of the worst starting lineups in the league and still have an above average bench. Lots of games where starters get outplayed and get team into early deficit and lots of games where bench does well (and better than starters) and outplays opponent while on floor.

[Neurotic Guy]

After watching Turner for a bit, I'm at a loss how he averaged 17 ppg. for half a season not that long ago. He can't control the ball on the dribble drive, is not particularly deceptive or particularly athletic, and his shot is spotty at best.

 

But he's earning his $3M.   "Max Contract" Rondo and Evan Turner stats over the last 10 games:

               MPG      PPG     RPG     APG     TOPG     SPG
Turner       28.8       9.6   6.4      5.7     2.6        .8
Rondo       31.0      9.8    5.4       7.1       2.8       1.7

[mgent]

I think it's time to trade Sullinger, Zeller, Turner.  Or have them come from the bench

It's like every game we have to comeback from behind.   KO, Bass,Thornton, Smart have to do the dirty work to try to get this team back within 10.  Just start them so you don't get into a deep hole in the 1st place

The Celtics have one of the worst starting lineups in the league regardless of which combination of players they trot out there. They are going to regularly get beat by more talented opponents starting units.

The Celtics also have one of the deeper teams in the league. One of the better bench units. The Celtics 2nd unit should outplay opposing team's 2nd units fairly often.

Throw in games where you have bench players who are coming into games in low pressure situations because team is already in such a deficit and an opposing squad that is often relaxing when holding large leads ... and you have a situation where the bench will likely do very well after starters have done poorly. Giving unfair reflection of individual talents & efforts of respective starters / bench players on Celtics team.

Switch combination of players who start / come off the bench ... and you're probably going to end up with similar results. You are still going to have one of the worst starting lineups in the league and still have an above average bench. Lots of games where starters get outplayed and get team into early deficit and lots of games where bench does well (and better than starters) and outplays opponent while on floor.

I agree, and that's part of the reason why I don't agree with all the disapproval towards Stevens for replacing Prince with Turner (which coincided with Scals statement about LA bringing their starters back in).  It's not Brad's fault that Turner sucks and that our starters are only slightly better than our bench players.

[slamtheking]

I think it's time to trade Sullinger, Zeller, Turner.  Or have them come from the bench

It's like every game we have to comeback from behind.   KO, Bass,Thornton, Smart have to do the dirty work to try to get this team back within 10.  Just start them so you don't get into a deep hole in the 1st place

The Celtics have one of the worst starting lineups in the league regardless of which combination of players they trot out there. They are going to regularly get beat by more talented opponents starting units.

The Celtics also have one of the deeper teams in the league. One of the better bench units. The Celtics 2nd unit should outplay opposing team's 2nd units fairly often.

Throw in games where you have bench players who are coming into games in low pressure situations because team is already in such a deficit and an opposing squad that is often relaxing when holding large leads ... and you have a situation where the bench will likely do very well after starters have done poorly. Giving unfair reflection of individual talents & efforts of respective starters / bench players on Celtics team.

Switch combination of players who start / come off the bench ... and you're probably going to end up with similar results. You are still going to have one of the worst starting lineups in the league and still have an above average bench. Lots of games where starters get outplayed and get team into early deficit and lots of games where bench does well (and better than starters) and outplays opponent while on floor.

I agree, and that's part of the reason why I don't agree with all the disapproval towards Stevens for replacing Prince with Turner (which coincided with Scals statement about LA bringing their starters back in).  It's not Brad's fault that Turner sucks and that our starters are only slightly better than our bench players.

yup, this pretty well captures it.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I think it's time to trade Sullinger, Zeller, Turner.  Or have them come from the bench

It's like every game we have to comeback from behind.   KO, Bass,Thornton, Smart have to do the dirty work to try to get this team back within 10.  Just start them so you don't get into a deep hole in the 1st place

The Celtics have one of the worst starting lineups in the league regardless of which combination of players they trot out there. They are going to regularly get beat by more talented opponents starting units.

The Celtics also have one of the deeper teams in the league. One of the better bench units. The Celtics 2nd unit should outplay opposing team's 2nd units fairly often.

Throw in games where you have bench players who are coming into games in low pressure situations because team is already in such a deficit and an opposing squad that is often relaxing when holding large leads ... and you have a situation where the bench will likely do very well after starters have done poorly. Giving unfair reflection of individual talents & efforts of respective starters / bench players on Celtics team.

Switch combination of players who start / come off the bench ... and you're probably going to end up with similar results. You are still going to have one of the worst starting lineups in the league and still have an above average bench. Lots of games where starters get outplayed and get team into early deficit and lots of games where bench does well (and better than starters) and outplays opponent while on floor.

I agree, and that's part of the reason why I don't agree with all the disapproval towards Stevens for replacing Prince with Turner (which coincided with Scals statement about LA bringing their starters back in).  It's not Brad's fault that Turner sucks and that our starters are only slightly better than our bench players.

The score was 92-88 when CBS put Turner in @ the 3:16 mark of the 4th. All of their starters had been in at least around the 6 minute mark. We had made about 7 shots in a row b4 Turner was subbed in... we scored 5pts after Turner came in 3fts and a last second bucket by Prince after the game was more than over. So we pretty much didn't score a basket again once Turner got into the game.

It's not Turner's fault, he must have been ice cold after sitting on the bench since the 43s mark of the 3rd Q!

Stevens ruined that run by putting him back in at that moment, the momentum totally changed. The offense had the ball moving around to everyone out there not named Tayshun until Turner subbed in, you could see the offense go stagnant and Turner held onto the ball most of the possessions.

That is on the coach but can be forgiven after a few rants b/c he is still a baby in the NBA.

[mgent]

I think it's time to trade Sullinger, Zeller, Turner.  Or have them come from the bench

It's like every game we have to comeback from behind.   KO, Bass,Thornton, Smart have to do the dirty work to try to get this team back within 10.  Just start them so you don't get into a deep hole in the 1st place

The Celtics have one of the worst starting lineups in the league regardless of which combination of players they trot out there. They are going to regularly get beat by more talented opponents starting units.

The Celtics also have one of the deeper teams in the league. One of the better bench units. The Celtics 2nd unit should outplay opposing team's 2nd units fairly often.

Throw in games where you have bench players who are coming into games in low pressure situations because team is already in such a deficit and an opposing squad that is often relaxing when holding large leads ... and you have a situation where the bench will likely do very well after starters have done poorly. Giving unfair reflection of individual talents & efforts of respective starters / bench players on Celtics team.

Switch combination of players who start / come off the bench ... and you're probably going to end up with similar results. You are still going to have one of the worst starting lineups in the league and still have an above average bench. Lots of games where starters get outplayed and get team into early deficit and lots of games where bench does well (and better than starters) and outplays opponent while on floor.

I agree, and that's part of the reason why I don't agree with all the disapproval towards Stevens for replacing Prince with Turner (which coincided with Scals statement about LA bringing their starters back in).  It's not Brad's fault that Turner sucks and that our starters are only slightly better than our bench players.

yup, this pretty well captures it.

Yeah, if Brad could play our bench vs. their bench the entire game, we'd all be fine with that.  But let's stop assuming that just because our bench played great vs. 350lb Big Baby and their bench, we needed to keep ours in there.

Turner is unfortunately one of our best players and Brad, unfortunately, isn't wrong to play him 30 minutes (heck he was our leading rebounder with 10).

[mgent]

I think it's time to trade Sullinger, Zeller, Turner.  Or have them come from the bench

It's like every game we have to comeback from behind.   KO, Bass,Thornton, Smart have to do the dirty work to try to get this team back within 10.  Just start them so you don't get into a deep hole in the 1st place

The Celtics have one of the worst starting lineups in the league regardless of which combination of players they trot out there. They are going to regularly get beat by more talented opponents starting units.

The Celtics also have one of the deeper teams in the league. One of the better bench units. The Celtics 2nd unit should outplay opposing team's 2nd units fairly often.

Throw in games where you have bench players who are coming into games in low pressure situations because team is already in such a deficit and an opposing squad that is often relaxing when holding large leads ... and you have a situation where the bench will likely do very well after starters have done poorly. Giving unfair reflection of individual talents & efforts of respective starters / bench players on Celtics team.

Switch combination of players who start / come off the bench ... and you're probably going to end up with similar results. You are still going to have one of the worst starting lineups in the league and still have an above average bench. Lots of games where starters get outplayed and get team into early deficit and lots of games where bench does well (and better than starters) and outplays opponent while on floor.

I agree, and that's part of the reason why I don't agree with all the disapproval towards Stevens for replacing Prince with Turner (which coincided with Scals statement about LA bringing their starters back in).  It's not Brad's fault that Turner sucks and that our starters are only slightly better than our bench players.

The score was 92-88 when CBS put Turner in @ the 3:16 mark of the 4th. All of their starters had been in at least around the 6 minute mark. We had made about 7 shots in a row b4 Turner was subbed in... we scored 5pts after Turner came in 3fts and a last second bucket by Prince after the game was more than over. So we pretty much didn't score a basket again once Turner got into the game.

It's not Turner's fault, he must have been ice cold after sitting on the bench since the 43s mark of the 3rd Q!

Stevens ruined that run by putting him back in at that moment, the momentum totally changed. The offense had the ball moving around to everyone out there not named Tayshun until Turner subbed in, you could see the offense go stagnant and Turner held onto the ball most of the possessions.

That is on the coach but can be forgiven after a few rants b/c he is still a baby in the NBA.

There's no way to say with any certainty that their starters wouldn't have overcome us at that point regardless of whether or not 1/5 of our lineup changed.

Isn't the fact that the ball ALWAYS seems to get stuck in Turner's hands and kill our offensive flow, once again more of a Turner flaw than a Stevens flaw?