Inside the Sixers: Questions surround Embiid ( 300 LBs)

[Celtics4ever]

I think the media wants to compare him to oden. 

Embiid will be fine.

300 lbs for a seven footer, is not that bad.  He does not look fat.   However, 300 lbs for a seven footer with back fractures and a history of foot stress fractures strikes me as not wise.

[LarBrd33]

I think the media wants to compare him to oden. 

Embiid will be fine.

300 lbs for a seven footer, is not that bad.  He does not look fat.   However, 300 lbs for a seven footer with back fractures and a history of foot stress fractures strikes me as not wise.

He was 280 before the injury.   Once he's playing NBA ball, he'd lose that weight in a few days.

[tazzmaniac]

I think the media wants to compare him to oden. 

Embiid will be fine.

300 lbs for a seven footer, is not that bad.  He does not look fat.   However, 300 lbs for a seven footer with back fractures and a history of foot stress fractures strikes me as not wise.

He was 280 before the injury.   Once he's playing NBA ball, he'd lose that weight in a few days.

Embiid was about 250 in college.  He needed to add 20lbs and some strength.  I watched a lot of the Kansas games.  Embiid looked really, really good most of the time but he did have problems dealing with the strength of the Texas center who weighed 300+lbs. 

[tazzmaniac]

I wonder if Embiid would still go before Nurkic. I'd probably choose Nurkic as of right now.

I'm still upset we didn't trade up and take Nurkic

My 1st preference was to trade up for Embiid but Nurkic would have been a great consolation prize.  Unless I got medical evidence that Embiid has chronic injuries, I definitely still take Embiid over Nurkic. 

[LarBrd33]

I wonder if Embiid would still go before Nurkic. I'd probably choose Nurkic as of right now.

I'm still upset we didn't trade up and take Nurkic

My 1st preference was to trade up for Embiid but Nurkic would have been a great consolation prize.  Unless I got medical evidence that Embiid has chronic injuries, I definitely still take Embiid over Nurkic.

If Philly lands Okafor in the draft, that will be a very interesting situation.  I'd be thrilled with Noel, Embiid or Okafor.  All three of those guys have the makings of franchise centers (yes, that includes Noel... who is very raw, but shows phenomenal defensive potential).   I'd aggressively try trading for one of them if I'm Danny.  If it takes moving Smart or our 2015 1st + later picks to do it, it's a gamble worth taking. 

[Granath]

Mentally, Embiid is fine. He's an immature 20 year old kid who can't work out and is probably frustrated by not being able to play.

If I were sure that his body would hold up, I'd do the LarBrd33 deal (Smart plus a protected 2015 pick) for him. He's right in that a healthy Embiid would have likely gone #1. Scouts were comparing his agility, foot speed and athleticism to The Dream. The kid looked awesome some games even though you can tell he was raw.

BUT...with that said, I wouldn't make the deal. Two stress fractures worries the ever-livin' hell out of me. In my experience very big men tend to be very healthy  or not at all. The bigger they are, the more that difference seems to get magnified and so I just wouldn't take that risk without being [dang]ed certain that there's not a chronic problem there.

[Endless Paradise]

For one, he was not "widely seen as the best prospect" no one was. It was a toss up between Wiggins and Parker, with Embiid 3rd.

Before his back injury, many draft boards had him projected to go first overall.  Even after the back injury, he was still projected to go first overall until the foot issue.

[LarBrd33]

For one, he was not "widely seen as the best prospect" no one was. It was a toss up between Wiggins and Parker, with Embiid 3rd.

Before his back injury, many draft boards had him projected to go first overall.  Even after the back injury, he was still projected to go first overall until the foot issue.

He also blew people away during pre draft workouts. I heard both chad ford and Simmons talk about it.  They said embiid was definitely going #1 and it "wasn't even close" which is interesting considering how amazing wiggins has looked. There's a reason he went 3rd in spite of his injuries.

Sorry, but him gaining 20 pounds (which is like 4 pounds for normal people) and being in a funk after his little brother died doesn't suddenly negate his unlimited potential.  Kid has the makings of a franchise player.

[Rosco917]

stress fractures in the feet and back, plus added body weight is not a good formula. I would worry about how the stress fractures will react with the added weight, it can't help.

Him just adding weight is a normal reaction to not playing. I'm sure he sick of the limitations of the conditioning he's doing.

He must want to just get in there and play ball.

[MBunge]

Whatever.  We'll see what happens.    Everything I read said that he was widely seen as "by far" the best prospect leading up to the draft.  As many scouts said, "it's not even close".   They were comparing him to Hakeem seemingly without sarcasm.  It seemed like an insane stretch, but the same scouts who were saying "Andre Drummond has a CHANCE to be a bigger Amare with less offense" were the same people who were saying "Embiid is the next Hakeem". 

He's got a chance to be a game changer on both ends of the floor.  A dominant defensive and offensive player. 

It will be interesting to see what happens.   I admittedly don't follow College ball.  Folks have told me that the top 4 guys in the 2015 draft are good, but would go below the top 5 guys taken in 2014.  I've read multiple multiple places that Embiid is a superior prospect to Okafor.

Are there any other areas where you are personally ignorant yet feel comfortable making judgments on what other people tell you?

There's a lot to like about Embiid but it is crazy, given the many examples of history, to go ga-ga over a big with as little established record as Embiid.

Mike

[SHAQATTACK]

If he comes to Boston.....Embiid will be the next Oden ,  we'll loose the house on him

If  he goes to Lakers .......Embiid will be next Kareem and dominate 10 years , five banners for LA


This is how NBA works .

[hpantazo]

If he comes to Boston.....Embiid will be the next Oden ,  we'll loose the house on him

If  he goes to Lakers .......Embiid will be next Kareem and dominate 10 years , five banners for LA


This is how NBA works .

LOL...this just about sums it up, TP

[LarBrd33]

Whatever.  We'll see what happens.    Everything I read said that he was widely seen as "by far" the best prospect leading up to the draft.  As many scouts said, "it's not even close".   They were comparing him to Hakeem seemingly without sarcasm.  It seemed like an insane stretch, but the same scouts who were saying "Andre Drummond has a CHANCE to be a bigger Amare with less offense" were the same people who were saying "Embiid is the next Hakeem". 

He's got a chance to be a game changer on both ends of the floor.  A dominant defensive and offensive player. 

It will be interesting to see what happens.   I admittedly don't follow College ball.  Folks have told me that the top 4 guys in the 2015 draft are good, but would go below the top 5 guys taken in 2014.  I've read multiple multiple places that Embiid is a superior prospect to Okafor.

Are there any other areas where you are personally ignorant yet feel comfortable making judgments on what other people tell you?

There's a lot to like about Embiid but it is crazy, given the many examples of history, to go ga-ga over a big with as little established record as Embiid.

Mike

Well I know that in spite of being drafted 3rd AFTER his injury, Ainge would have gleefully given up Marcus smart and additional assets for embiid on draft night. 

[jpotter33]

Whatever.  We'll see what happens.    Everything I read said that he was widely seen as "by far" the best prospect leading up to the draft.  As many scouts said, "it's not even close".   They were comparing him to Hakeem seemingly without sarcasm.  It seemed like an insane stretch, but the same scouts who were saying "Andre Drummond has a CHANCE to be a bigger Amare with less offense" were the same people who were saying "Embiid is the next Hakeem". 

He's got a chance to be a game changer on both ends of the floor.  A dominant defensive and offensive player. 

It will be interesting to see what happens.   I admittedly don't follow College ball.  Folks have told me that the top 4 guys in the 2015 draft are good, but would go below the top 5 guys taken in 2014.  I've read multiple multiple places that Embiid is a superior prospect to Okafor.

Are there any other areas where you are personally ignorant yet feel comfortable making judgments on what other people tell you?

There's a lot to like about Embiid but it is crazy, given the many examples of history, to go ga-ga over a big with as little established record as Embiid.

Mike

Well I know that in spite of being drafted 3rd AFTER his injury, Ainge would have gleefully given up Marcus smart and additional assets for embiid on draft night.

I mean, right now there's no way you give up Smart or any other valuable asset for Embiid given his injury history.

However, if he proves that he's at least semi-healthy and the foot/ back thing isn't something you'll deal with all of his career, then I'd probably give up Smart and a first (not ours this year) for him. I'm extremely high on Smart, too, and I think he'll end up being a multi-year All Star. But Embiid has scary potential, and if he's healthy you'd have to be ready to break the bank for him.

[tazzmaniac]

Whatever.  We'll see what happens.    Everything I read said that he was widely seen as "by far" the best prospect leading up to the draft.  As many scouts said, "it's not even close".   They were comparing him to Hakeem seemingly without sarcasm.  It seemed like an insane stretch, but the same scouts who were saying "Andre Drummond has a CHANCE to be a bigger Amare with less offense" were the same people who were saying "Embiid is the next Hakeem". 

He's got a chance to be a game changer on both ends of the floor.  A dominant defensive and offensive player. 

It will be interesting to see what happens.   I admittedly don't follow College ball.  Folks have told me that the top 4 guys in the 2015 draft are good, but would go below the top 5 guys taken in 2014.  I've read multiple multiple places that Embiid is a superior prospect to Okafor.

Are there any other areas where you are personally ignorant yet feel comfortable making judgments on what other people tell you?

There's a lot to like about Embiid but it is crazy, given the many examples of history, to go ga-ga over a big with as little established record as Embiid.

Mike

Well I know that in spite of being drafted 3rd AFTER his injury, Ainge would have gleefully given up Marcus smart and additional assets for embiid on draft night.

Ainge said he would have taken Embiid at 6 but was concerned about his injuries.  I don't really think he tried hard to trade up for Embiid which was a mistake IMO.  Ainge is not really a gambler.  Rather than taking a risk on the Greek Freak, he took KO calling him a good complementary role player.  I really hope Ainge goes for upside in this draft but I'm concerned he won't.