Are KO and Smart lack of production on the offensive end CBS fault?

[wayupnorth]

How bout they're a rookie and 2nd year nba players and are still learning the game.  Gimme a break

You need to learn the game in order to drive to the basket and try to get a layup or get to the line?
you need to learn the game to receive passes down low and attempt a hook shot? Or spin from your defender to attempt a shot closer to the basket??

I want Smart to attack the basket John Wall style half the game instead of launching up jump shots exclusively. KO to get fed the ball downlow and encouraged to score from there instead of always hanging around the perimeter.   

 Are you joking?

I really hope you are.

[TheTruthFot18]

I think the expectation with Smart was that he'd struggle at times this season and be a much better player in year 2.  KO I just don't like as a player so I'm going to say no way you can blame where he's at now on CBS.  He's at best a 7th or 8th man for a decent team - I think that's his ceiling and I'm not sure he ever hits that at this point.

Everyone has an opinion but really? KO and Smart have the highest potential on this team and have already outplayed many of those drafted ahead of them. They were not drafted 1st overall but both have met and or exceeded expectations, especially given the state of the team.

[Kuberski33]

I think the expectation with Smart was that he'd struggle at times this season and be a much better player in year 2.  KO I just don't like as a player so I'm going to say no way you can blame where he's at now on CBS.  He's at best a 7th or 8th man for a decent team - I think that's his ceiling and I'm not sure he ever hits that at this point.

Everyone has an opinion but really? KO and Smart have the highest potential on this team and have already outplayed many of those drafted ahead of them. They were not drafted 1st overall but both have met and or exceeded expectations, especially given the state of the team.

When I look at players I always ask the question, can you win a title with this guy in your rotation?  With KO it's a definite no because he's too soft and not athletic enough.  He's not physical or strong enough to play the 4 or 5 and too slow to play the 3.  And he has zero lateral mobility and can't rebound.  Once every 5th game he looks decent.  Can he get better?  Possibly but if you look at the NBA going back say to the 80's, non-athlete's generally don't make it.  Conclusion - you'll never be able to win with him playing a key role on your team.

[Tr1boy]

I think the expectation with Smart was that he'd struggle at times this season and be a much better player in year 2.  KO I just don't like as a player so I'm going to say no way you can blame where he's at now on CBS.  He's at best a 7th or 8th man for a decent team - I think that's his ceiling and I'm not sure he ever hits that at this point.

Everyone has an opinion but really? KO and Smart have the highest potential on this team and have already outplayed many of those drafted ahead of them. They were not drafted 1st overall but both have met and or exceeded expectations, especially given the state of the team.

When I look at players I always ask the question, can you win a title with this guy in your rotation?  With KO it's a definite no because he's too soft and not athletic enough.  He's not physical or strong enough to play the 4 or 5 and too slow to play the 3.  And he has zero lateral mobility and can't rebound.  Once every 5th game he looks decent.  Can he get better?  Possibly but if you look at the NBA going back say to the 80's, non-athlete's generally don't make it.  Conclusion - you'll never be able to win with him playing a key role on your team.

Highly disagree

Maybe not as a starter. But ko is better than alot of nba role players today

[dwoumn]

I don't that the lack of production on offense from Smart or Olynyk is CBS fault. When Smart attacks the lane lately, he's been looking to pass but he needs to balance attacking to score and attacking to pass. Overall for Smart, he needs a more balanced game- attacking the rim, mid-range, and 3's.

Olynyk is a very skilled player but he's a 7 foot small forward, too soft for 4 & 5 and too slow/non-athletic. The offense doesn't help when the bigs are around the 3 point line but Olynyk doesn't make an effort to shoot with confidence and work in the post. Yes the bigs in the post are bigger but he's a savy big, he can make a few moves. Many of you love Olynyk over Sully, but what Sully gives up on defense he gives it on offense, and is way more balanced than Olynyk right now.

[PickNRoll]

I think the expectation with Smart was that he'd struggle at times this season and be a much better player in year 2.  KO I just don't like as a player so I'm going to say no way you can blame where he's at now on CBS.  He's at best a 7th or 8th man for a decent team - I think that's his ceiling and I'm not sure he ever hits that at this point.

Everyone has an opinion but really? KO and Smart have the highest potential on this team and have already outplayed many of those drafted ahead of them. They were not drafted 1st overall but both have met and or exceeded expectations, especially given the state of the team.

When I look at players I always ask the question, can you win a title with this guy in your rotation?  With KO it's a definite no because he's too soft and not athletic enough.  He's not physical or strong enough to play the 4 or 5 and too slow to play the 3.  And he has zero lateral mobility and can't rebound.  Once every 5th game he looks decent.  Can he get better?  Possibly but if you look at the NBA going back say to the 80's, non-athlete's generally don't make it.  Conclusion - you'll never be able to win with him playing a key role on your team.

Highly disagree

Maybe not as a starter. But ko is better than alot of nba role players today

Agree with Kuberski, more or less.

[chambers]

I think the expectation with Smart was that he'd struggle at times this season and be a much better player in year 2.  KO I just don't like as a player so I'm going to say no way you can blame where he's at now on CBS.  He's at best a 7th or 8th man for a decent team - I think that's his ceiling and I'm not sure he ever hits that at this point.

Everyone has an opinion but really? KO and Smart have the highest potential on this team and have already outplayed many of those drafted ahead of them. They were not drafted 1st overall but both have met and or exceeded expectations, especially given the state of the team.

When I look at players I always ask the question, can you win a title with this guy in your rotation?  With KO it's a definite no because he's too soft and not athletic enough.  He's not physical or strong enough to play the 4 or 5 and too slow to play the 3.  And he has zero lateral mobility and can't rebound.  Once every 5th game he looks decent.  Can he get better?  Possibly but if you look at the NBA going back say to the 80's, non-athlete's generally don't make it.  Conclusion - you'll never be able to win with him playing a key role on your team.

I agree, he's 100% too soft for the NBA. I mean yeah he's a sophomore so I won't give up on him and I hope he develops some balls, but he's missing the killer instinct that guys at his size/athleticism need. At this point I'll be happy if he becomes a poor man's Ryan Anderson.

I think Smart will be encouraged to drive to the rim next season-they are ironing out his shooting problems while he learns the offense first.
It also helps to have Smart shoot all these threes because when he becomes the starting point guard he'll understand the best place to get the ball for his shooters.

Can't wait till he starts driving to the hole.

[GreenWarrior]

I think KO is indeed a soft player. but I disagree with only athletic players succeed in this league. while it's mostly true, there have been players that weren't very athletic that have been solid players. Bird the obvious example.

Bird was gifted with natural intelligence about this game and was known as someone who wouldn't wow you with his athleticism. but I think it's possible for a player like Kelly to increase their game knowledge and understanding the nuances of the game to make up for their lack of athleticism. everything wrong with Kelly is fixable or something you can work around. his best chance to succeed is to hit the weight room and become the smartest player on the court.

Smart on the other hand is all CBS and it's by design. their having him focus on things in stages and i'd say it's working.

[Who]

I think the expectation with Smart was that he'd struggle at times this season and be a much better player in year 2.  KO I just don't like as a player so I'm going to say no way you can blame where he's at now on CBS.  He's at best a 7th or 8th man for a decent team - I think that's his ceiling and I'm not sure he ever hits that at this point.

Everyone has an opinion but really? KO and Smart have the highest potential on this team and have already outplayed many of those drafted ahead of them. They were not drafted 1st overall but both have met and or exceeded expectations, especially given the state of the team.

When I look at players I always ask the question, can you win a title with this guy in your rotation?  With KO it's a definite no because he's too soft and not athletic enough.  He's not physical or strong enough to play the 4 or 5 and too slow to play the 3.  And he has zero lateral mobility and can't rebound.  Once every 5th game he looks decent.  Can he get better?  Possibly but if you look at the NBA going back say to the 80's, non-athlete's generally don't make it.  Conclusion - you'll never be able to win with him playing a key role on your team.

Highly disagree

Maybe not as a starter. But ko is better than alot of nba role players today

I think Olynyk is a middle of the pack backup PF (at this stage of his career).

[Csfan1984]

This is follow up for uses in BS' system. The KO opinion of use and development in BS' system.

Again BS' system requires spacing. We all know KO can space the floor with good shooting. As a stretch five he can also drive or advance the ball from three to low post quickly. His passing is also decent. This may actually give him too many options. If he was just catch and shoot he would be better. His hesitation seems to have carried over from college causing turn overs or miss opportunities. In this case BS has to get KO to strictly follow a system of shoot/drive or pass/drive always based on matchup. In the screen and pick game KO has been under-used as the "finisher" most often he is the facilitator. He doesn't roll hard or finish strong/high so that may be one reason. He needs to use a quick hook but he goes underhand a lot getting blocked. He should be looking at Zeller in this regard to emulate and improve this part of his game inside. In pick and pop he hesitates looking for a pass. Again something he also did in college. But there is little extra passes made that get back to him, as I said he isn't looked at enough to finish. Most of the C's guards tend to shoot right away or pass to the high 3 edge. (High 3 edge drives me crazy as its not usually a shot but starts another set play killing clock and pace).

As I said before ISO is not part of BS system so there is less post ups for KO which he was decent with in college. The limited post plays run are usually given to Sully or Bass. I don't know if KO would excel or fail at post ups. He does seem big enough to post 70% of the PFs so perhaps more plays to force a switch and allow a deep post on a PF would help. In contrast a high post on a center should be great for KO but his hesitation limits his ability to capitalize.

KO has shown improvement in fg%, defense and his athletic  ability but his role within the system hasn't improved. I believe this is a case of him or BS needing to adjust more.

[Rosco917]

I think the expectation with Smart was that he'd struggle at times this season and be a much better player in year 2.  KO I just don't like as a player so I'm going to say no way you can blame where he's at now on CBS.  He's at best a 7th or 8th man for a decent team - I think that's his ceiling and I'm not sure he ever hits that at this point.

Everyone has an opinion but really? KO and Smart have the highest potential on this team and have already outplayed many of those drafted ahead of them. They were not drafted 1st overall but both have met and or exceeded expectations, especially given the state of the team.

When I look at players I always ask the question, can you win a title with this guy in your rotation?  With KO it's a definite no because he's too soft and not athletic enough.  He's not physical or strong enough to play the 4 or 5 and too slow to play the 3.  And he has zero lateral mobility and can't rebound.  Once every 5th game he looks decent.  Can he get better?  Possibly but if you look at the NBA going back say to the 80's, non-athlete's generally don't make it.  Conclusion - you'll never be able to win with him playing a key role on your team.

I have to agree, either Sully or KO should be traded eventually, both have the same limitations.

[Kuberski33]

I think KO is indeed a soft player. but I disagree with only athletic players succeed in this league. while it's mostly true, there have been players that weren't very athletic that have been solid players. Bird the obvious example.

Bird was gifted with natural intelligence about this game and was known as someone who wouldn't wow you with his athleticism. but I think it's possible for a player like Kelly to increase their game knowledge and understanding the nuances of the game to make up for their lack of athleticism. everything wrong with Kelly is fixable or something you can work around. his best chance to succeed is to hit the weight room and become the smartest player on the court.

Bird wouldn't wow you with his athleticism, but he was anything but soft.  He was strong and gave every bit as well as he received when it came to battling down in the post.  Plus he was an excellent rebounder.  I also think he was a better athlete than people gave him credit for.  He would absolutely destroy small forwards and 4's never bothered him.   You can't do that if you're giving away too much athletically.  The only 3 who really gave him trouble was Michael Cooper, who was a great athlete and a great defender.

[Clench123]

CBS is the whipping boy now that Rondo is gone.  Some things never change.

[Tr1boy]

CBS is not exposing matchup adv on a consistent basis.  He did a very good job vs the pelicans with sully manhandling anderson.

He could of had KO post up the 6'8 milsap repeatedly. But just plays with the same system regardless of who the opponent is.

CBS also asked the guys to run more around the time rondo was traded.  Transition opportunities after transition opportunities (especially for our big guys like zeller, ko). Now guys like turner, smart are not pushing the pace as they should. The 2nd passes are not happening. AB catch and shoot. Sully catch and shoot. Where are the 2nd, 3rd passes?

[kozlodoev]

He could of had KO post up the 6'8 milsap repeatedly. But just plays with the same system regardless of who the opponent is.

This would be hilarious to see. Mostly because Olynyk has no post-up game. Can't wait for the flat-footed underhanded layups galore.