Where would you go with the rebuild from here?

[GreenWarrior]

oh and what I would do from here is keeping an eye on Durant and Anthony Davis and when their contracts are up and constantly enquire on their availability.

while in the process keeping an eye on the ole college game to see if there is a potential franchise-altering player like Duncan, Durant, Bird or Jordan...what else can we do?

any other option is a waste of time. 

[Celtics4ever]

I think that while Sully has had his attitude and conditioning questions this season he's still been arguably our best player overall.  I can't blame him for being angry at the trades and he is probably exhausted after not being able to work out all summer and get himself into NBA shape.

It's not his first year, stop making excuses for the guy.   He can play, he has flaws, and is moody and lazy.   The NO game shows what he can do when motivated.  The 12/12 NYK game is a great illustration when he is not.

[Rosco917]

A Sully that's in shape, like serious condition, would be an 18 and 10 guy. He would gather all star attention.

This team needs a front line center really badly. Zeller is a back up, and should explore getting PF minutes along with back up center minutes.

[timpiker]

lets do it

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I'll add that I cant see Ainge signing any free agents unles they are franchise guys.
He will wait 5 years if he has to.
He's just too championship focused.

I think you are dead on here .   TP !.......he'll just run with trash he has .....till the opportunity knocks to land a TRUE franchise player .   Don't know how ,  sure he doesn't either but opportunities do come and go , he wants the assets to get what he wants .

Some team will lose a coach, fall apart , be sold ...etc.

TPs to both.

Danny's contract lessons were Antoine's first trade, where he took back money and injured players to get more pieces instead of letting him expire and taking cap space...we were stuck in cap hell for an extra while.  The second lesson was signing MLE talent for a team that needed top talent, and by that I mean signing Scal.  The first time, 5-year full MLE deal.  It made no sense.

Now, the "experienced" DA knows what assets have the highest value, and is pretty much focused on those exclusively.

Honestly, I really am impressed at the talent we have though.  Too bad it will take a few years for these guys to hit their prime, and we won't put up with that.

[hwangjini_1]

I'll add that I cant see Ainge signing any free agents unles they are franchise guys.
He will wait 5 years if he has to.
He's just too championship focused.

I think you are dead on here .   TP !.......he'll just run with trash he has .....till the opportunity knocks to land a TRUE franchise player .   Don't know how ,  sure he doesn't either but opportunities do come and go , he wants the assets to get what he wants .

Some team will lose a coach, fall apart , be sold ...etc.

TPs to both.

Danny's contract lessons were Antoine's first trade, where he took back money and injured players to get more pieces instead of letting him expire and taking cap space...we were stuck in cap hell for an extra while.  The second lesson was signing MLE talent for a team that needed top talent, and by that I mean signing Scal.  The first time, 5-year full MLE deal.  It made no sense.

Now, the "experienced" DA knows what assets have the highest value, and is pretty much focused on those exclusively.

Honestly, I really am impressed at the talent we have though.  Too bad it will take a few years for these guys to hit their prime, and we won't put up with that.

we won't? why not? and what would change in ainge's behavior if we didn't?

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I'll add that I cant see Ainge signing any free agents unles they are franchise guys.
He will wait 5 years if he has to.
He's just too championship focused.

I think you are dead on here .   TP !.......he'll just run with trash he has .....till the opportunity knocks to land a TRUE franchise player .   Don't know how ,  sure he doesn't either but opportunities do come and go , he wants the assets to get what he wants .

Some team will lose a coach, fall apart , be sold ...etc.

TPs to both.

Danny's contract lessons were Antoine's first trade, where he took back money and injured players to get more pieces instead of letting him expire and taking cap space...we were stuck in cap hell for an extra while.  The second lesson was signing MLE talent for a team that needed top talent, and by that I mean signing Scal.  The first time, 5-year full MLE deal.  It made no sense.

Now, the "experienced" DA knows what assets have the highest value, and is pretty much focused on those exclusively.

Honestly, I really am impressed at the talent we have though.  Too bad it will take a few years for these guys to hit their prime, and we won't put up with that.

we won't? why not? and what would change in ainge's behavior if we didn't?

Danny's moves over the last few years were either supposed to be "finishing piece on a contender" (mostly washed up bigs), which was tough since he was looking for established vets with enough left for another run or two off the bench.

Once he kicked in to rebuilding, it's been all about value.  He isn't interested in signing a full-value deal, he pretty much wants bargains only.  Like Robert Kiyosaki (rich dad/poor dad) wrote, you can't make money selling something; you can only sell for what it's worth, making a sale merely an exchange of value.  The money is made either by buying distressed or undervalued, then hanging on or working out the problem with the market.

So he's taking unwanted players at value, and rerouting them to other teams, gathering assets for free along the way, mostly picks.

The players he is hanging on to are building value by playing and improving under CBS.  CBS is a teacher/coach, and consequently having him on board is great because he is a coach that can multiply the value of the players we hang on to.

So I don't think he'll spend big money on anyone until it's an impact guy.  IF he can get guys like Turner on short MLE deals, he will, but no big craziness until it counts.  The cap is too important, and he is managing the heck out of it like a master.

We got paid to take Wallace, and he is around as possible salary ballast to attach picks to next year, as Thornton/Bass are this year.  We gotta pay someone, and journeyman vets are necessary on young teams.  These guys seem suited to the role.

Looking ahead...what to do?

Smart/Turner/SF/PF/Zeller.  Sully/Young first two off the bench, but perhaps start until star level players are available to us at those spots...but Sully is a 6th man guy to me, next in the Baby/Bass line.

It would seem the quality of the pick matters more than how many we have; a team full of rookie contract guys would not be fun to watch.  Moving up, even a couple of spots, might well be worth use of some of these 2nd rounders, if practicable.  Unless, of course, the picks go out with Bass/Thornton this year, and some with Wallace next year...

[GreenWarrior]

A Sully that's in shape, like serious condition, would be an 18 and 10 guy. He would gather all star attention.

but he's not, he's a guy that developed bad habits that have been encouraged by the team.

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1) keep developing our young guys to increase their value -- to either us or someone else. Specifically, Smart (as a starter combo guard), Young (as a starter 3 some day), Bradley (3 and D guy), Zeller (bench 5), Olynyk (28 mpg 6th man type), and Sully (low end double double guy).

2) trade Bass to TOR for Hayes and one asset ASAP.

3) trade Turner to NOP for Salmons and Withey ASAP.

4) trade Thornton to DET for Butler, Datome and the right to swap the LAC 2015 1st with theirs (lottery protected).

5) use a trade exception to help a team over the tax get under it before the deadline; take back one good asset.

6) waive rights to all FAs and Exceptions this summer; prepare max offers to two players (fill in who you want here). Entice them to come to Boston on the basis of our sick pool of assets to make vet additions (ala the KG deal).

7) stretch Wallace to allow for both offers to be executed.

make a deal for a vet who needs a change of scenery this summer or next year. Likely package include Sully, One of our 2015 draft pick (whether it has yet to be used, or has been already been taken), and future picks.

9) compete.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

Trade Sully and Smart for thirty two 2nd round picks and then cut Bass.

[HomerSapien]

1) keep developing our young guys to increase their value -- to either us or someone else. Specifically, Smart (as a starter combo guard), Young (as a starter 3 some day), Bradley (3 and D guy), Zeller (bench 5), Olynyk (28 mpg 6th man type), and Sully (low end double double guy).

2) trade Bass to TOR for Hayes and one asset ASAP.

3) trade Turner to NOP for Salmons and Withey ASAP.

4) trade Thornton to DET for Butler, Datome and the right to swap the LAC 2015 1st with theirs (lottery protected).

5) use a trade exception to help a team over the tax get under it before the deadline; take back one good asset.

6) waive rights to all FAs and Exceptions this summer; prepare max offers to two players (fill in who you want here). Entice them to come to Boston on the basis of our sick pool of assets to make vet additions (ala the KG deal).

7) stretch Wallace to allow for both offers to be executed.

make a deal for a vet who needs a change of scenery this summer or next year. Likely package include Sully, One of our 2015 draft pick (whether it has yet to be used, or has been already been taken), and future picks.

9) compete.

I like your idea on #4 to try to make a pick swap deal with the LAC pick that might result in our 2nd 1st rounder being a few spots higher.  That is a nice lottery ticket to hold that is low risk for the celtics and probably worthwhile risk for a team on the outside looking into a 7th or 8th playoff spot this season with aspirations for moving up.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Now's a good time to stand pat.

[konkmv]

i think the domino trade game ainge is playing will continue for a while. everyone has a price if he brings back value that danny thinks is a little better... with the exception of smart i think everyone is tradeable... we are looking for a leader... till we find the first go to guy... we will keep collecting assets.. the celtics are hoping to have 2 lottery picks in 2016
 

[clover]

A Sully that's in shape, like serious condition, would be an 18 and 10 guy. He would gather all star attention.

This team needs a front line center really badly. Zeller is a back up, and should explore getting PF minutes along with back up center minutes.

I expect Sully will get in shape by the end of next season--his first sort of contract year. But I don't want a young guy with his attitude issues, defensive limitations, and a history of being overweight through his first three years in the league to be a cornerstone to the rebuild.

I'm ready for him to be traded this year or next, perhaps wrapped with some picks and a disguised TPE.

If I'm Danny, and I can land a significant upgrade at center or SF through a trade using the Rondo exception (or whatever) and some picks at the deadline, I do it and steam ahead into the playoffs.

Otherwise, I shed any and every nonstrategic asset I can in the next 15 days. Let Wallace, of course, continue to be den father. I think they've got a good enough core of character in MS, JC, AB, KO, PP, etc., to keep developing on the right track, even if some combination of BB, MT, TP, and ET is gone.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I would at least offer the max to Butler or Lenoard possiblly D.Green to show we are willing to sign FA's. They may not come here but we tried. I would also try to get Cousins in a trade. Kanter may be able to come her too.  Towns or WCS in draft are a must. I would also offer Mosgov a contract and make the Cavs match it since we have money. Plus he is good. Depending on what Philly does with it pick. I may trade for Embrid or Noel if we drop to 7th or so.
I loved Rondo but I see him going to LA. Love is staying at least next year in Cleveland. KD will never come here as FA. Wash is the only place he will leave for.
i think Sully will suprise us with his shape next year. AB i think will also breakout next year. KO will grow. Smart will learn to drive and dish too. I am excited.  With Butler and a big with are core i see us making the playoff and learning how to win and the Danny does he is magic.