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Ainge Dominates as a GM in this climate.
« on: January 15, 2015, 02:47:34 AM »

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 I think he's far from perfect, but there's not to many guys I'd rather have during the tear it down and build it up phase than Dealing Danny, This is his second go around at it, and already he's doing a much better job than the first time, And if we are not a big time player in the East buy 2020, It will be because he drafted 10 guys that couldn't play, Which is unlikely.

 Really happy with the future, although it will take a while to see the dividends it's coming.

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How do you think it will play out? Are we rebuilding entirely through the picks we currently have? Using assets we have and TEs for trades? Or alluring FAs to Boston?
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2015, 04:39:24 AM »

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I wouldn't be so quick to overpraise Ainge. It's not difficult to tear a team down. It's much harder to draft well, attain a superstar, and build an actual contender as opposed to just a so so playoff team. Just look at Orlando - they've actually drafted allright and have talent, but no real stars (you could say their coaching is not bringing out the best of their talent though).

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than smart, like for example the Pelicans getting Davis or the Cavs winning all those lotteries. If you're a bad organization however you'll eventually fail like those teams have in not getting the right talent around their stars. I think that the organization under Ainge has shown that if they do have some fortune they won't muck it up like those other teams have.

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2015, 04:59:30 AM »

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In today's NBA no GM can "fleece" others like Red Aurbach used to do. Its a lot about luck, and how players pan out. Who would have thought that in the Mega-trade where Orlando, Philli and Lakers traded, 76rs would be the biggest losers and Orlando the winnerS?

Most analysts expected 76rs to dominate, and Howard to keep Kobe's window open for 3 more championships....

That being said - Danny is getting deals done. Brooklyn trade now seems like an EPIC win, since KG is done, and we are potentially getting multiple picks from a lottery bound team...

But even the small things. Getting a 2nd round pick out of the Green trade by flipping Rivers to the one team in the NBA who wants him is Genius. Its not putting us over the top, but every pick is an asset to be used later.

The NBA is going through massive change, due to the cap explosion and I think Danny has seen this coming for 1-2 years now. I expect him to trade a bunch of picks - possibly to climb in the draft, and then keep a full pantry of picks to fuel our team with low cost talents in 2018 and beyond.

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 I think he's far from perfect, but there's not to many guys I'd rather have during the tear it down and build it up phase than Dealing Danny, This is his second go around at it, and already he's doing a much better job than the first time, And if we are not a big time player in the East buy 2020, It will be because he drafted 10 guys that couldn't play, Which is unlikely.

 Really happy with the future, although it will take a while to see the dividends it's coming.

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Ahem, I ve been saying this thing for some time now.
Still, it feels great to know I'm not alone. This team is a five year plan in jerseys.

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Until he turns this team into a winner, it is hard to say that. 


He has the talent to build a winner (we have already seen him do it)


But it is still a combination of skill and luck. 


Skill that he was able to position the Celtics to make the moves to get a Ray Allen and KG.


Luck that those two player at that skill level were suddenly available within the window that they could get max value for their trade pieces.

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I think the best way won't be to strictly rebuild through draft or strictly rebuilt through trade.  I think the best way (especially for the us) is to rebuild through both.  Draft star quality potentials and when t he opportunity to trade for a star gets open, you take it. 

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2015, 08:39:07 AM »

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 I think he's far from perfect, but there's not to many guys I'd rather have during the tear it down and build it up phase than Dealing Danny, This is his second go around at it, and already he's doing a much better job than the first time, And if we are not a big time player in the East buy 2020, It will be because he drafted 10 guys that couldn't play, Which is unlikely.

 Really happy with the future, although it will take a while to see the dividends it's coming.

 Boston Celtics 2020 NBA Champs! You heard it here on CB!

If it takes Danny until 2020, he won't have done a better job the second time around.

Just this week he restated that he's essentially following the same path of building up his arsenal of picks and young players to be able to bring in the additional star pieces he needs. I'm quite sure neither Wyc nor Brad signed up for a 7-year process to get there.

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 I think he's far from perfect, but there's not to many guys I'd rather have during the tear it down and build it up phase than Dealing Danny, This is his second go around at it, and already he's doing a much better job than the first time, And if we are not a big time player in the East buy 2020, It will be because he drafted 10 guys that couldn't play, Which is unlikely.

 Really happy with the future, although it will take a while to see the dividends it's coming.

 Boston Celtics 2020 NBA Champs! You heard it here on CB!

If it takes Danny until 2020, he won't have done a better job the second time around.

Just this week he restated that he's essentially following the same path of building up his arsenal of picks and young players to be able to bring in the additional star pieces he needs. I'm quite sure neither Wyc nor Brad signed up for a 7-year process to get there.
Even though some of the Young guys did not look good last night. I see hope in all the players. AB looks like he is getting where is stroke will get better and better. Sully Needs to drive more but he can stretch the Floor. KO can drive too. Smart and Young both seem to have untapped potential. Smarts has shot well in the last few games and that is his weakness. Turner is a great 6 man type. Pressey look like an NBA guard too. Zeller is a great BU Center. Bass and Thornton may be able to bring some assets at the Deadline. I think if Danny finds a Rim Protector something he has never really had all the other pieces are in place to compete in 16-17. I am excited!!!! 
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2015, 09:33:50 AM »

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Boston Celtics ‏@celtics 1m1 minute ago
Ainge on ideal trades and building the team: "I think in a perfect world, I'd like to trade draft picks for proven, quality players."


Boston Celtics ‏@celtics 3m3 minutes ago
Ainge: "I think this year's draft is very comparable to last year's draft. It's probably top heavy. It's a decent draft. Not spectacular."
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 09:41:36 AM by clover »

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I wouldn't be so quick to overpraise Ainge. It's not difficult to tear a team down. It's much harder to draft well, attain a superstar, and build an actual contender as opposed to just a so so playoff team. Just look at Orlando - they've actually drafted allright and have talent, but no real stars (you could say their coaching is not bringing out the best of their talent though).

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than smart, like for example the Pelicans getting Davis or the Cavs winning all those lotteries. If you're a bad organization however you'll eventually fail like those teams have in not getting the right talent around their stars. I think that the organization under Ainge has shown that if they do have some fortune they won't muck it up like those other teams have.

It's always been a combination of both skill and luck. Though I would lean more on skill to suceed in the rebuild.

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Ainge has a track record folks, he has done it once.  Hopefully, he does it again.

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 I think he's far from perfect, but there's not to many guys I'd rather have during the tear it down and build it up phase than Dealing Danny, This is his second go around at it, and already he's doing a much better job than the first time, And if we are not a big time player in the East buy 2020, It will be because he drafted 10 guys that couldn't play, Which is unlikely.

 Really happy with the future, although it will take a while to see the dividends it's coming.

 Boston Celtics 2020 NBA Champs! You heard it here on CB!

If it takes Danny until 2020, he won't have done a better job the second time around.

Just this week he restated that he's essentially following the same path of building up his arsenal of picks and young players to be able to bring in the additional star pieces he needs. I'm quite sure neither Wyc nor Brad signed up for a 7-year process to get there.
There's a reason they gave CBS a 6 year deal.

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I wouldn't be so quick to overpraise Ainge. It's not difficult to tear a team down.

Well.. lets see if Brooklyn can get someone to give them 3 draft picks for their aging stars....

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I do like the job DA has done. Especially comparing it to NY and Phili.


Phili went all in very quickly on a tank. The problem is they are developing players in a losing culture. I dont think what they are doing is going to develop long term winning talent. Unless they flip these kids for Star (unlikely) I expect they lose alot of their young guys as soon as free agency becomes an option.

Knicks, they have accumulated very few assets in their tank. This is basicly an all or nothing 2015 draft and free agency. They have Melo to build around for better and worst.

In contrast the Cs at least have young guys who know what it means to play to win in the NBA. Sully and AB played with KG and Pierce, Crowder was with Dallas. These guys know what is needed to win and can provide leadership to the youth while still being very young. I actually thin this team will grow to compete for the 8th seed next season with very little roster change. The same can not be said for Phili.
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