Trade Idea w/ Knicks

[Eddie20]

Boston
Calderon
2015 1st rd pick

Why for us?
The Knicks currently have the worst record in the league, so this pick at the very worst, should they remain in last place, would be a #4 pick.

Calderon, despite his contract, does provide us with a veteran presence, shooting, and a player that Smart can learn from.




New York
Thornton (expiring)
2015 1st rd pick (LAC)
2016 1st rd pick (CLE)
The two Minnesota 2nd rd picks
Sullinger (this would have to be done separately, in which they absorb him via a TPE)

Why for NY?
The Knicks are desperate to get out of Calderon's salary and by doing so, it would allow them to sign 2 impact players in free agency.

Having a top pick is great, but Melo is turning 31 this season and I doubt Jackson has the patience to have that player develop.

Sullinger looks like a very good fit in the triangle and he's still on a very cost friendly deal.

The Knicks trade away picks by the boatload and this would be a good way to add picks back, which provides great roster flexibility with inexpensive rookie contracts.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12154100/new-york-knicks-trying-trade-jose-calderon-andrea-bargnani

The New York Knicks are actively trying to trade veterans Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani as part of their ongoing roster clear-out, according to league sources.

Calderon, meanwhile, has no shortage of admirers around the league despite his struggles this season, averaging a mere 9.2 points per game on 40 percent shooting. But the two years left on his contract after this season -- worth $15.1 million -- could make it difficult to move the 33-year-old Spaniard, who arrived in New York in late June as the Knicks' foremost return in the Tyson Chandler deal with Dallas.

The trade with the Cavs netted a 2019 second-round pick and generated two potentially useful trade exceptions worth roughly $6 million ?and $2.5 million. The exceptions could help facilitate additional trades prior to the deadline.

[JohnBoy65]

I think you're overpaying for that pick and Calderon. They're desperate to give him up. We're not desperate to get him. That should drive the price down.

[Eddie20]

I think you're overpaying for that pick and Calderon. They're desperate to give him up. We're not desperate to get him. That should drive the price down.

I just feel that potentially nabbing Okafor, Towns, or Mudiay is worth the price. Plus, we'd have our own lottery pick. Adding 2 lottery picks this coming draft, to go along with our young core, plus what will probably be 2 more lottery picks next season (ours and Nets) puts on the fast-track of a rebuild.

[Lucky17]

Knicks would be insane to give up their 2015 1st.

[pearljammer10]

Knicks would be insane to give up their 2015 1st.

This sums up this trade idea perfectly.

And if they do give it up, their not giving it up for that package.

[Endless Paradise]

Why for NY?
The Knicks are desperate to get out of Calderon's salary and by doing so, it would allow them to sign 2 impact players in free agency.

Having a top pick is great, but Melo is turning 31 this season and I doubt Jackson has the patience to have that player develop.

Phil Jackson has actually said the exact opposite:

Phil says NY hasnt been successful at luring stars to NY for decades. Understands many fans want that, but says it may make more sense to build a team in piecemeal fashion. Says it hasn't been done that way in NY before, but says this is the right time.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/1/10/7525137/phil-jackson-spoke-about-the-trade-derek-fisher-and-carmelo-anthony

[Csfan1984]

I was under the impression Knicks can not trade their pick unless it's a pick swap.

[JohnBoy65]

Knicks would be insane to give up their 2015 1st.

I guess we should have traded Rondo to the Knicks this summer for their 2015 1st. Come on Danny read the future! 

[Endless Paradise]

I was under the impression Knicks can not trade their pick unless it's a pick swap.

This, too.

[PickNRoll]

1. Knicks would be crazy to trade that pick
2. Calderon's salary sucks, but in the grand scheme of things will not be limiting to the knicks efforts
3. Of course Jackson would never imply that they're desperate to rid themselves of Calderon.  He's not stupid.

[PickNRoll]

I was under the impression Knicks can not trade their pick unless it's a pick swap.

This, too.

This would be a pick swap, given the 2015 Clips pick.

[Endless Paradise]

3. Of course Jackson would never imply that they're desperate to rid themselves of Calderon.  He's not stupid.

I included that excerpt not to suggest that he's not "desperate" to dump Calderon so much as to dispel the notion that he's only interested in a quick retooling.  His comments from that press session indicate he's willing to undergo a long-term rebuild if necessary.  He's not hinging everything on 2015 free agency a la what Donnie Walsh did a couple years ago.

[jonaslopes]

This thread can't be serious.

[LooseCannon]

Since the Knicks' 2016 first-round pick is going to either Denver or Toronto, this trade can't be made.  You would have to wait until draft day and make a deal where you tell NY who to take and receive his draft rights in a trade.  Thornton would not be tradeable at that point.

[LooseCannon]

This thread can't be serious.

The bad threads are usually by people who are way too serious about bad ideas.