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Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2015, 03:27:10 PM »

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Hi All!

Let me start off by saying that I like what Ainge is doing. The Rondo trade was necessary (I loved Rondo but I think he didn't want to be here), and I like the Green deal. I didn't love the Wright deal but it's good enough.

We are definitely in the middle of a true rebuild, but I trust Ainge. I hope I am not met with scorn haha, but I really think we should trade Sully! He is definitely good, but I think our future core includes Smart, Young, and possibly Olynyck and Crowder. I just don't think we should hinge our future at all with Sully due to his consistency and build/being out of shape. I think we should trade him now while he's still cheap with some upside and a year or two left on his rookie deal. Plus PFs are not hard to find, that's a more common position to find something decent unlike SG, SF or C.

Do you guys think we could get anything of value for him? Maybe we trade him for McLemore of the Kings (I apologize if that's unrealistic, I'm not sure) ?

Overall, what do you guys think?

He is 22 year old double-double machine.  You don't trade those guys.

What do you think AlJeff was when he was traded for KG? AlJeff was also blossoming into a legitimate 20-10 guy. Sully is somewhere between a Big Baby and an AlJeff, but much closer to a Big Baby, though I suspect he's got to put up better numbers longer to peak out his near-term maximum return. (Baby went at 25, not 22.)

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2015, 03:29:21 PM »

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His body language has been pretty bad this season. During timeouts he appears very disinterested in what Stevens is saying or drawing up, instead he'll be looking around the arena as though what's being discussed is meaningless.

I'm not terribly surprised by this.

When Sully entered the league he was playing with guys like KG, PP, RR. The team had an aura about it, even if it was in the twilight.

Now, the Celtics are an utter disgrace. The team has completely given up on trying to pretend to win games. All of the experienced, veteran leaders are gone. This is what happens. It's the reason tanking is such a lousy strategy, talented players can become easily disinterested.

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2015, 03:32:43 PM »

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Lets trade Rivers, Nelson, Bass and Wallace first.  No reason to consider trading Sully until the older, expiring guys are gone.
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Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2015, 03:41:22 PM »

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His body language has been pretty bad this season. During timeouts he appears very disinterested in what Stevens is saying or drawing up, instead he'll be looking around the arena as though what's being discussed is meaningless.

I'm not terribly surprised by this.

When Sully entered the league he was playing with guys like KG, PP, RR. The team had an aura about it, even if it was in the twilight.

Now, the Celtics are an utter disgrace. The team has completely given up on trying to pretend to win games. All of the experienced, veteran leaders are gone. This is what happens. It's the reason tanking is such a lousy strategy, talented players can become easily disinterested.

What you say is true, however, team culture can change for the better just as quickly as it changes for the worse.  That's why tanking/ salary cap flexibility is a very viable strategy. 

29 wins in 1978-79 then then add Larry Bird and you have 61 wins the next year, and a whole new team winning culture is born.

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2015, 03:43:38 PM »

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His body language has been pretty bad this season. During timeouts he appears very disinterested in what Stevens is saying or drawing up, instead he'll be looking around the arena as though what's being discussed is meaningless.

I'm not terribly surprised by this.

When Sully entered the league he was playing with guys like KG, PP, RR. The team had an aura about it, even if it was in the twilight.

Now, the Celtics are an utter disgrace. The team has completely given up on trying to pretend to win games. All of the experienced, veteran leaders are gone. This is what happens. It's the reason tanking is such a lousy strategy, talented players can become easily disinterested.

What you say is true, however, team culture can change for the better just as quickly as it changes for the worse.  That's why tanking/ salary cap flexibility is a very viable strategy. 

29 wins in 1978-79 then then add Larry Bird and you have 61 wins the next year, and a whole new team winning culture is born.

But at the cost of disinterested players?

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2015, 03:52:35 PM »

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His body language has been pretty bad this season. During timeouts he appears very disinterested in what Stevens is saying or drawing up, instead he'll be looking around the arena as though what's being discussed is meaningless.

I'm not terribly surprised by this.

When Sully entered the league he was playing with guys like KG, PP, RR. The team had an aura about it, even if it was in the twilight.

Now, the Celtics are an utter disgrace. The team has completely given up on trying to pretend to win games. All of the experienced, veteran leaders are gone. This is what happens. It's the reason tanking is such a lousy strategy, talented players can become easily disinterested.

What you say is true, however, team culture can change for the better just as quickly as it changes for the worse.  That's why tanking/ salary cap flexibility is a very viable strategy. 

29 wins in 1978-79 then then add Larry Bird and you have 61 wins the next year, and a whole new team winning culture is born.

But at the cost of disinterested players?

Formerly disinterested players usually become much more interested when their team is good again. Rondo has a new bounce in his step, Green seems pretty excited to join a contender. Losing sucks, but good players usually come back to life when your team actually starts trying to win games again.

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2015, 03:58:14 PM »

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I was high on Sully before the start of the year. Even higher when Sully went on his early run. Not sure if it's the losing or something personal but he does not seem to engaged in basketball.  He should be at his proper weight and he should treat each game as a personal challenge for him to compete yet he doesn't. I think the team needs good Sully. Bad Sully if bad to watch has to be even worse to play with.

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2015, 04:04:40 PM »

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Players don't tank.  They are playing for minutes and contracts.  You don't produce, you'll lose your job to the next rookie class in line.  It's that simple.

...and as for coaches.  There are just so many loses your resume can take before losing your reputation.  So, no, I don't think coaches tank either.

Now, as for Owners and GMs.....that's another story.  But they need to be on the same page and obviously they are. 

Rebuilding stinks, but at least we are going ALL IN!!!

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2015, 04:05:16 PM »

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Ainge is all about value. Sully's value is likely not at it's pinnacle these days. He'll wait.
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Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2015, 04:09:48 PM »

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I like sully and really think he can be a starting PF on a championship contending team. He has a complete skill set and good bball IQ. With that said I wouldn't be devastated if DA traded him for the right player. I think anyone who Sully is traded for needs to be a definitive part of the future. Meaning a guy who we can right in as a starter for the next 5+years. This could either be another young player like Favors or maybe in a trade up scenario on draft day for a guy DA views as cant miss.
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Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2015, 04:22:19 PM »

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Sully is one of the few reamining celtics who has potential to either be a solid rotation player on a future winning C's team, or, gain enough value to be an important piece in a trade for a star.  I don't think trading him now for a late 1st is good value for him.

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2015, 04:40:23 PM »

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Sully is one of the few reamining celtics who has potential to either be a solid rotation player on a future winning C's team, or, gain enough value to be an important piece in a trade for a star.  I don't think trading him now for a late 1st is good value for him.

Oh, I totally agree. I don't think we should trade him for a late 1st. What I'm trying to say is I think we could get a decent return on him this season or this offseason. I'd only trade him for the right player, i.e. McLemore. I really like McLemore and think he will be the real deal. But yeah, I'd only trade him for another young player with good upside.

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2015, 05:12:45 PM »

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I think Sully and most other young players(KO, Zellar, Crowder, Young,  or may be even Smart) will be gone by the time we are a contender (I don't mean we won't be a contender for another 15 years  :))

But each of them have little trade value, they are most likely to be combined to trade for big time players.

If we trade him now, I don't think we can get anyone better than a decent role player or a late first rounder.

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2015, 09:10:19 PM »

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Now, the Celtics are an utter disgrace. The team has completely given up on trying to pretend to win games. All of the experienced, veteran leaders are gone. This is what happens. It's the reason tanking is such a lousy strategy, talented players can become easily disinterested.

I can count 3-4 of those losses that Mr. Sullinger contributed too playing hero ball.   Other guys are still trying.   I don't see the quit in Crowder or Sullinger.   But then I have thought that Sully never plays that hard to begin with because of his conditioning and a body type more akin to being a pear than a basketball player.

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Sully is one of the few reamining celtics who has potential to either be a solid rotation player on a future winning C's team

Wrong, guys that play D like him and do not run the court are not on winning team, they will go with an effort guy with less talent than a sulker who does not run the court.  The only people who believe Sully is a rotation player on a winning team are on this blog and in Boston.   League wide, I think people see why he fell so low, and opposing teams eyes light up when they know they are playing him.   All they have to do is attack the rim when he is in and it is almost two points everytime or a foul.  No one is burning up the phones on this kid asking for him.

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He is 22 year old double-double machine.  You don't trade those guys.

What games have you been watching that player is gone, reality has set in,   He is a double double machine usually for the man he is guarding.

The bottom line is this, no one wants him.   He is not going to be traded.   You never read about a team inquiring able him because it does not happen.   Other teams seek athletic big men who can run the court and play D, neither which he does well.

He will play out his contract, think he is all world, and ask for more than he is worth.   On a better team, he would not even be touching the ball all that much.   He is putting up a lot of his number being the player on the bad team who chucks shots.    Sadly, I think AB is the same type on a good team they would not be touching the ball.   We are not a good team.

He will be really measured tomorrow night against Davis and company.   

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What do you think AlJeff was when he was traded for KG? AlJeff was also blossoming into a legitimate 20-10 guy. Sully is somewhere between a Big Baby and an AlJeff, but much closer to a Big Baby, though I suspect he's got to put up better numbers longer to peak out his near-term maximum return.

TP on the Al Jeff BBD comparison lines.  I think he will have trouble putting up those numbers for maximum return, as he is easy to block and doesn't move let alone move without the ball.  Al was a better athlete and had better post moves.   Heck, BBD was a better athlete than Sullinger.  He certainly was more mobile.

Re: Please Trade Sully!
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2015, 09:51:30 PM »

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You don't trade starter-caliber players on rookie contracts, regardless of whether you think they'll improve further or not. There's just no point.

Unless we're using him as part of a package for a star or someone is offering us multiple firsts, he's here until he hits free agency.


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