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How do you see the C's shaping up?
« on: January 10, 2015, 08:12:51 PM »

Offline piercetruth34

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Really early but wouldn't mind this

Starters

Smart
Draft pick/Free agent/Trade
Young will be a starter at sg or sf
Sully
Draft pick/Free AGent/Trade

Bradley and Crowder will be backups.  Bradley may start until Young is fully developed.  Bass will be gone.   Turner may find a role here as a backup.  Pressey.    Zeller and KO will be the backup 4 and 5.   Ultimately way down the road somewhere a decision may be made between KO and Sully.

I think we are going to go hard after a sg/sf and center this coming draft.  Some of these roleplayers will be replaced over time as well. 

Am I way ahead of myself?  I'm usually all for being practical but I could see it working out that way.

I don't see this team being that far off though. I think our young nucleus is partially here.   

i think Ainge has us set up wh ere the next 2 drafts is where things are really going to happen and we are going to be challenging again.  But we are set up where we are going to be very good for a long time as well.

Re: How do you see the C's shaping up?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2015, 08:17:09 PM »

Offline piercetruth34

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I think by late this season early next season Smart is going to be ready to start at PG every game and be much like Rondo was for us last time.  He's 20 years old and needs to be more aggressive but isn't that far off. By 2016 he is going to be a star and an every game player.

Bradley and Zeller im not completely sold on.  If we get a legit sg bradley may be dealt.  Zeller has to fill out still to be a legit physical backup center.  He's fast enough and efficient enough though.

I  see that stuff taking a year or 2 to work itself out.  Bradley is kind of in prove it to me mode right now.  I love AB and think he is going to surprise some people too and put up Jeff Green numbers with more fire.

Sully is no sure thing either.
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Re: How do you see the C's shaping up?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2015, 10:43:04 PM »

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Smart is not a PG.

I wonder how long the Celtics will take to figure that out.

Re: How do you see the C's shaping up?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2015, 10:47:20 PM »

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Smart is not a PG.

I wonder how long the Celtics will take to figure that out.

What in your definition is an point gaurd then?

Rondo excelled at handling the ball, passing and rebounding and you often called him terrible.

Smart is a better shooter and defender than Rondo and he's getting more aggressive inside every game yet you say he isn't even PG?

So who qualifies as a PG to you? A player than is an elite shooter, passer, defender and ball handler? Because if that's the case you must think there's only 3 or 4 real PGs left.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 10:49:55 PM »

Offline Chris22

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Smart is not a PG.

I wonder how long the Celtics will take to figure that out.

What in your definition is an point gaurd then?

Rondo excelled at handling the ball, passing and rebounding and you often called him terrible.

Smart is a better shooter and defender than Rondo and he's getting more aggressive inside every game yet you say he isn't even PG?

So who qualifies as a PG to you? A player than is an elite shooter, passer, defender and ball handler? Because if that's the case you must think there's only 3 or 4 real PGs left.

It's pretty simple. A point guard should be able to create off the dribble.

Marcus should play the two.

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2015, 10:56:36 PM »

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Smart is not a PG.

I wonder how long the Celtics will take to figure that out.

What in your definition is an point gaurd then?

Rondo excelled at handling the ball, passing and rebounding and you often called him terrible.

Smart is a better shooter and defender than Rondo and he's getting more aggressive inside every game yet you say he isn't even PG?

So who qualifies as a PG to you? A player than is an elite shooter, passer, defender and ball handler? Because if that's the case you must think there's only 3 or 4 real PGs left.

It's pretty simple. A point guard should be able to create off the dribble.

Marcus should play the two.

Because, you know, judging players before they've even played half a season is 100% accurate.

Mike

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2015, 11:07:19 PM »

Offline piercetruth34

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Was Pierce not a sf because he had ball handling issues early in his career?  He was more a pf according to your logic. I think Smart is going to be a pg but he might be a paul pierce pg where he can play both positions and is a combo guard.  He's a basketball player and a good one.  He needs to be on the floor regardless and play a big role.  Otherwise what are we doing.  If we trade Smart and go some completely other direction when Smart is defense and toughness and what we are trying to establish in ways I don't know.

Smart has been pretty efficient so far early in his career.  He's had some issues carrying the ball for long stretches but he is developing that.

Smart could be a bench player  that plays multiple positions where we have a guy like Turner or whoever who plays the point at times.   But I still feel like Smart is going to step into a set role at some point.  Most likely as a starter. If we have players that can handle and share the ball that's the key.

Rondo had  Pierce, KG, and Ray who could all offset some of rondo's deficiencies.  That's what I think will happen with Smart ultimately.

If any player is a catalyst for our youth and rebuild it has to be Smart imo.

Pierce moved around quite a bit early in his career.  Played SG, then SF, and PF at times.  I think Smart isn' t going to take that long and neither is this rebuild.  I don't think DA's intent is for this rebuild to take up  10 years of Smart's career.

We didn't trade Rondo to get some other pg either.  It's not so we can trade Smart and get Jimmy Butler either and go with Turner and Pressey. Smart has to be a pg.  He's got to be that guy who sets the tone on this team. I expect us to get a Center who sets the tone as well.  But it's Smart as our leader and that. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2015, 11:32:27 PM »

Offline piercetruth34

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Smarts best game so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Z5-_G6H3M

He's primarily playing off the ball but is playing pg about 30 percent of that video with him and turner switching off.  As he matures he is probably going to play the point even moreso.  But regardless he is a player who is going to be playing the point quite a bit if he is going to be utilized to his strengths.  Lately he's been the primary ballhandler moreso with Turner not even in the game.  At the end of games as well. He has made some questionable decisions in crunch time but he's been the primary ball handler.

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2015, 11:33:58 PM »

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Smart is not a PG.

I wonder how long the Celtics will take to figure that out.

What in your definition is an point gaurd then?

Rondo excelled at handling the ball, passing and rebounding and you often called him terrible.

Smart is a better shooter and defender than Rondo and he's getting more aggressive inside every game yet you say he isn't even PG?

So who qualifies as a PG to you? A player than is an elite shooter, passer, defender and ball handler? Because if that's the case you must think there's only 3 or 4 real PGs left.

It's pretty simple. A point guard should be able to create off the dribble.

Marcus should play the two.

Because, you know, judging players before they've even played half a season 22 games is 100% accurate.

Mike
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Re: How do you see the C's shaping up?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2015, 11:42:35 PM »

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Smart is not a PG.

I wonder how long the Celtics will take to figure that out.

What in your definition is an point gaurd then?

Rondo excelled at handling the ball, passing and rebounding and you often called him terrible.

Smart is a better shooter and defender than Rondo and he's getting more aggressive inside every game yet you say he isn't even PG?

So who qualifies as a PG to you? A player than is an elite shooter, passer, defender and ball handler? Because if that's the case you must think there's only 3 or 4 real PGs left.

It's pretty simple. A point guard should be able to create off the dribble.

Marcus should play the two.

Because, you know, judging players before they've even played half a season is 100% accurate.

Mike

Sorry, either you are a ball handler or you aren't.

I would like to see Turner start at the point with Smart at the two.