How is Danny Ainge different from Sam Hinkie?

[SHAQATTACK]

I haven't been impressed with Danny's deal s of late especially the "Rondo Raid ".   ".where the Mavs swept in and held the Celtics FO up at gunpoint and run off with Rondo .

But......I'm not a GM.......so I just have to wait and see what better players he can land than we had.


I'm skeptical of his dealing s


I don't worry about Mr Hankie ......Danny is nerve wracking enough

[greece66]

Hinkie and Danny are top 5 managers in the NBA. But they are also quite different.
The only similarity is they both manage rebuilding teams, but this is not their fault.

[Sketch5]

DA didn't draft a PF, and two centers the last two years, just to tank into an other draft full of PF's and Centers.....

Hinkie would have been smarter to draft Exum,Gordon or Smart and worry about Noels replacement in this draft if he wasn't healthy.

Plus DA made moves to get picks with what he had, not just sell cheap and tank hard. The C's could be out of the woods faster than Philly being two years behind.

[MBunge]

One difference: Hinkie got excellent value when he traded his all-star PG.

What did he get for a pg wanting a max deal, coming off knee surgery, & not even top 10 at his position ?

He got two picks, including the guy many thought would go #1, for a one-time all-star point guard who wasn't top 10 at his position.

And Ainge got two picks, Wright, Nelson, Crowder, & a 12.9 M TPE. That's fair & then some for a non top 10 pg coming off knee surgery & one you're not paying the max to

It cracks me up that Danny can do no wrong, and other GMs can do no right, in the eyes of so many Celtics fans.

Danny sold very low on Rondo, and Hinkie traded Holiday at the absolute apex of his value.  Either Hinkie gets credit, or Danny gets blame, or both.

I think most people give Hinkie credit for the Holiday trade.  It was all the stuff after that which drew condemnation.

And you are smart enough to understand how different the markets were for Holiday and Rondo.  Insisting that Rondo now should get the same return as Holiday then is stupid.

Mike

[LarBrd33]

Has Hinkie gotten flack?  I think Hinkie is brilliant.  I've been very jealous of the job he's done with the 76ers.  They have 4-5 players with superstar potential.  So far Boston has 0, but that could change in the next several years.

Respectfully asking, but who on that roster is one of those 4-5 with "superstar" potential?  MCW?  Noel?  Embiid?

Tony Wroten is a gunner.  Robert Covington was pulled off the d-league scrap heap, and is right now their BEST scorer on most nights.  I mean, that's it...  I don't see ONE player on that roster with "superstar" potential...

Embiid is obviously superstar potential.

He also could quite easily be the next Sam Bowie.

Nah. If he's healthy he's going to be amazing. Wiggins looks fantastic and embiid was widely considered to be the best player in the draft.

Noel has huge potential.  Prob the best prospect in last years draft.

Dario Saric has huge potential.  People rave about his ceiling. 

Mcw is already probably a better prospect than anyone on our team.

They also will have likely a top pick in the draft where they will add another outstanding player.

It's all hypothetical, but on paper that team has multiple players who can reasonable become all-stars. That's a major core right there that far trumps what we have or can foreseeably have through the draft (current pick is projected 9th or something).

[LarBrd33]

Then again, I thought Eddie curry, Tyson chandler and Ty Thomas could develop into elite stars for the young bulls. So perhaps both teams will fail.

[greg683x]

Hinkie has gotten a ton of flack for what he's done in Philadelphia, but is what Ainge currently doing that much different?

1.  Ainge came into this season trying to do a quick rebuild.  It didn't work but that's a big difference than Hinkie who, let us remember, committed to tanking and only tanking at the 2013 draft.

2.  The deal Ainge got for KG and Pierce was about 1000% better than any deal Hinkie has made.

3.  Rondo and Green were traded largely because of what their looming salary demands would be.  That hasn't been a factor for Philly.

4.  Ainge's team is not only winning about twice as many games, they're doing it with a roster that even now has more NBA quality players on it.  How many of Philly's players would even be in the league if the Sixers weren't trying to be bad?

Mike

[colincb]

Has Hinkie gotten flack?  I think Hinkie is brilliant.  I've been very jealous of the job he's done with the 76ers.  They have 4-5 players with superstar potential.  So far Boston has 0, but that could change in the next several years.

Respectfully asking, but who on that roster is one of those 4-5 with "superstar" potential?  MCW?  Noel?  Embiid?

Tony Wroten is a gunner.  Robert Covington was pulled off the d-league scrap heap, and is right now their BEST scorer on most nights.  I mean, that's it...  I don't see ONE player on that roster with "superstar" potential...

Embiid is obviously superstar potential.

He also could quite easily be the next Sam Bowie.

Nah. If he's healthy he's going to be amazing. Wiggins looks fantastic and embiid was widely considered to be the best player in the draft.

Noel has huge potential.  Prob the best prospect in last years draft.

Dario Saric has huge potential.  People rave about his ceiling. 

Mcw is already probably a better prospect than anyone on our team.

They also will have likely a top pick in the draft where they will add another outstanding player.

It's all hypothetical, but on paper that team has multiple players who can reasonable become all-stars. That's a major core right there that far trumps what we have or can foreseeably have through the draft (current pick is projected 9th or something).

Very facile, but total  BS.

[jpotter33]

Has Hinkie gotten flack?  I think Hinkie is brilliant.  I've been very jealous of the job he's done with the 76ers.  They have 4-5 players with superstar potential.  So far Boston has 0, but that could change in the next several years.

Respectfully asking, but who on that roster is one of those 4-5 with "superstar" potential?  MCW?  Noel?  Embiid?

Tony Wroten is a gunner.  Robert Covington was pulled off the d-league scrap heap, and is right now their BEST scorer on most nights.  I mean, that's it...  I don't see ONE player on that roster with "superstar" potential...

Embiid is obviously superstar potential.

He also could quite easily be the next Sam Bowie.

Nah. If he's healthy he's going to be amazing. Wiggins looks fantastic and embiid was widely considered to be the best player in the draft.

Noel has huge potential.  Prob the best prospect in last years draft.

Dario Saric has huge potential.  People rave about his ceiling. 

Mcw is already probably a better prospect than anyone on our team.

They also will have likely a top pick in the draft where they will add another outstanding player.

It's all hypothetical, but on paper that team has multiple players who can reasonable become all-stars. That's a major core right there that far trumps what we have or can foreseeably have through the draft (current pick is projected 9th or something).

Man, you're crazy if you think MCW is a better prospect than anyone on our team.

[Endless Paradise]

Hinkie has gotten a ton of flack for what he's done in Philadelphia, but is what Ainge currently doing that much different?

Nah DA is in tank mode too but I will say this, at least we came away with assets from sending out our players, Philly got nothing I can think of for all of their players they shipped out.

The only guys they didn't get value for were Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen.  They certainly got value out of Holiday, Young, and Hawes.

[greg683x]

Has Hinkie gotten flack?  I think Hinkie is brilliant.  I've been very jealous of the job he's done with the 76ers.  They have 4-5 players with superstar potential.  So far Boston has 0, but that could change in the next several years.

Respectfully asking, but who on that roster is one of those 4-5 with "superstar" potential?  MCW?  Noel?  Embiid?

Tony Wroten is a gunner.  Robert Covington was pulled off the d-league scrap heap, and is right now their BEST scorer on most nights.  I mean, that's it...  I don't see ONE player on that roster with "superstar" potential...

Embiid is obviously superstar potential.

He also could quite easily be the next Sam Bowie.

Nah. If he's healthy he's going to be amazing. Wiggins looks fantastic and embiid was widely considered to be the best player in the draft.

Noel has huge potential.  Prob the best prospect in last years draft.

Dario Saric has huge potential.  People rave about his ceiling. 

Mcw is already probably a better prospect than anyone on our team.

They also will have likely a top pick in the draft where they will add another outstanding player.

It's all hypothetical, but on paper that team has multiple players who can reasonable become all-stars. That's a major core right there that far trumps what we have or can foreseeably have through the draft (current pick is projected 9th or something).

Man, you're crazy if you think MCW is a better prospect than anyone on our team.

I dont think he is either, but it's certainly debatable.

definitely not a 'get right outta town' statement.

[LarBrd33]

Has Hinkie gotten flack?  I think Hinkie is brilliant.  I've been very jealous of the job he's done with the 76ers.  They have 4-5 players with superstar potential.  So far Boston has 0, but that could change in the next several years.

Respectfully asking, but who on that roster is one of those 4-5 with "superstar" potential?  MCW?  Noel?  Embiid?

Tony Wroten is a gunner.  Robert Covington was pulled off the d-league scrap heap, and is right now their BEST scorer on most nights.  I mean, that's it...  I don't see ONE player on that roster with "superstar" potential...

Embiid is obviously superstar potential.

He also could quite easily be the next Sam Bowie.

Nah. If he's healthy he's going to be amazing. Wiggins looks fantastic and embiid was widely considered to be the best player in the draft.

Noel has huge potential.  Prob the best prospect in last years draft.

Dario Saric has huge potential.  People rave about his ceiling. 

Mcw is already probably a better prospect than anyone on our team.

They also will have likely a top pick in the draft where they will add another outstanding player.

It's all hypothetical, but on paper that team has multiple players who can reasonable become all-stars. That's a major core right there that far trumps what we have or can foreseeably have through the draft (current pick is projected 9th or something).

Man, you're crazy if you think MCW is a better prospect than anyone on our team.

I dont think he is either, but it's certainly debatable.

definitely not a 'get right outta town' statement.

What's wrong with MCW?  He's a 23 year old rich-mans Rajon Rondo.  Probably the best statistical player in both this year and last year's draft combined.

Who is a better prospect on this team than him?  Smart?  Maybe.  We'll see what happens.  Smart has a long way to go before he's averaging 16 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds and a couple steals.  MCW is already doing it.

[jpotter33]

Has Hinkie gotten flack?  I think Hinkie is brilliant.  I've been very jealous of the job he's done with the 76ers.  They have 4-5 players with superstar potential.  So far Boston has 0, but that could change in the next several years.

Respectfully asking, but who on that roster is one of those 4-5 with "superstar" potential?  MCW?  Noel?  Embiid?

Tony Wroten is a gunner.  Robert Covington was pulled off the d-league scrap heap, and is right now their BEST scorer on most nights.  I mean, that's it...  I don't see ONE player on that roster with "superstar" potential...

Embiid is obviously superstar potential.

He also could quite easily be the next Sam Bowie.

Nah. If he's healthy he's going to be amazing. Wiggins looks fantastic and embiid was widely considered to be the best player in the draft.

Noel has huge potential.  Prob the best prospect in last years draft.

Dario Saric has huge potential.  People rave about his ceiling. 

Mcw is already probably a better prospect than anyone on our team.

They also will have likely a top pick in the draft where they will add another outstanding player.

It's all hypothetical, but on paper that team has multiple players who can reasonable become all-stars. That's a major core right there that far trumps what we have or can foreseeably have through the draft (current pick is projected 9th or something).

Man, you're crazy if you think MCW is a better prospect than anyone on our team.

I dont think he is either, but it's certainly debatable.

definitely not a 'get right outta town' statement.

What's wrong with MCW?  He's a 23 year old rich-mans Rajon Rondo.  Probably the best statistical player in both this year and last year's draft combined.

Who is a better prospect on this team than him?  Smart?  Maybe.  We'll see what happens.  Smart has a long way to go before he's averaging 16 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds and a couple steals.  MCW is already doing it.

I'm dubbing this the "Evan Turner Paradox" lol Evan Turner Paradox: putting up impressive numbers when you're the main option on an absolutely horrible team.

I like MCW, but honestly I don't think his ceiling is much, if any, higher than Sully or KO's, and I think Smart is clearly a better prospect and Young has the potential to be better.

But, no, I don't put much stock into his stats, and I think they greatly, and falsely, inflate his abilities.

[kevingamble83]

Since Rondo's name has come up for what its worth Dallas fans are exactly thrilled with some of his performances lately either. http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/1/10/7525853/mavericks-vs-clippers-final-score-mavs-sleepwalk-in-a-120-100-loss-to

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Has Hinkie gotten flack?  I think Hinkie is brilliant.  I've been very jealous of the job he's done with the 76ers.  They have 4-5 players with superstar potential.  So far Boston has 0, but that could change in the next several years.

Respectfully asking, but who on that roster is one of those 4-5 with "superstar" potential?  MCW?  Noel?  Embiid?

Tony Wroten is a gunner.  Robert Covington was pulled off the d-league scrap heap, and is right now their BEST scorer on most nights.  I mean, that's it...  I don't see ONE player on that roster with "superstar" potential...

Embiid is obviously superstar potential.

He also could quite easily be the next Sam Bowie.

Nah. If he's healthy he's going to be amazing. Wiggins looks fantastic and embiid was widely considered to be the best player in the draft.

Noel has huge potential.  Prob the best prospect in last years draft.

Dario Saric has huge potential.  People rave about his ceiling. 

Mcw is already probably a better prospect than anyone on our team.

They also will have likely a top pick in the draft where they will add another outstanding player.

It's all hypothetical, but on paper that team has multiple players who can reasonable become all-stars. That's a major core right there that far trumps what we have or can foreseeably have through the draft (current pick is projected 9th or something).

Man, you're crazy if you think MCW is a better prospect than anyone on our team.

I dont think he is either, but it's certainly debatable.

definitely not a 'get right outta town' statement.

What's wrong with MCW?  He's a 23 year old rich-mans Rajon Rondo.  Probably the best statistical player in both this year and last year's draft combined.

Who is a better prospect on this team than him?  Smart?  Maybe.  We'll see what happens.  Smart has a long way to go before he's averaging 16 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds and a couple steals.  MCW is already doing it.

Let's see ... MCW is bad at FTs, terrible on threes, and doesn't score a ton ... so yeah, he's a lot like Rondo. 

All kidding aside, some or all or none of these young Sixers and Celtics could be good. Only time will tell.

As for the OP's question: No, Ainge isn't like Hinkie, because 1) Ainge has already built a great team once, 2) Ainge tried to rebuild on the fly but the pieces weren't available, and 3) Ainge has more assets to work with moving forward in terms of draft picks, TPEs, and expirings.