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Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #60 on: January 09, 2015, 02:24:48 PM »

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It almost makes you want to cry or beat your head in a wall when you stop and think about this Rondo trade...

Best guesses on my end:

- Nelson gets bought out.  He isn't happy here.  Let him walk.  He'll hook up with a playoff contender and his time here was minimal.  Honestly, I don't blame him.  This really turned out lousy for him.

- Danny gets anything for Wright.  Danny is boxed into a corner - he'll have to settle for what he's given.

I'd send Wright to the Raptors for Chuck Hayes' expiring contract, and would PRY and number one pick from Toronto.  Let Hayes walk as well.

Next up on the get out of Boston list: Jeff Green...  Whereabouts TBD.
crazy, have to keep track of the draft picks that come out of the deal to get a final idea of what we actually traded Rondo for  :-\
so not keeping wright makes it even harder to fathom, we traded a young tall prospect on a cheap contract (powell), nelson is gone gone gone (and can't play that well anymore), wright is going to be flipped into a second rounder? trade exception? who knows …so if we keep crowder we got a backup sf in the deal  :-[
those drafts picks had better be turned into something good
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gotta give ainge credit he's got a set on him, if all this future picks etc don't turn into something he's on the golf course full time

I think that the value I was hoping for in the Rondo deal was basically 2 mid-1sts, or a 1st and a good, young prospect.  Yes, Danny fell short of that, but not light years short.  The Dallas pick may very well turn out to be in the 12-15 range if the Mavs falter next year (which they may do given aging Dirk and wth Monta Ellis and Rondo questionable return).   If Wright gets a 2nd and Danny gets some return on the trade exception, maybe this trade turns out to be at least OK.

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2015, 02:34:51 PM »

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I'm thinking folks around here are underestimating Wrights value.  I would be surprised if we did not get a first round pick in the #20 range.
he's a free agent after this year isn't he? so you are talking about a jan-end of season rental of a player who can leave
correct me if i'm wrong?

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2015, 02:42:53 PM »

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I'm thinking folks around here are underestimating Wrights value.  I would be surprised if we did not get a first round pick in the #20 range.
he's a free agent after this year isn't he? so you are talking about a jan-end of season rental of a player who can leave
correct me if i'm wrong?
Would that team have his bird rights?  If so, they would be able to sign him and probably would.  In today's NBA, where teams have every advantage to sign their own player, last year of a contract is typically not a threat to them.

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2015, 02:46:28 PM »

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I'm thinking folks around here are underestimating Wrights value.  I would be surprised if we did not get a first round pick in the #20 range.

With his contract situation no way. But trade him with thornton then yes

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2015, 02:50:43 PM »

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This is not a correct version of history.  Nelson was due $8 million this season from the Magic, but only $2 million of that was guaranteed if he was waived by July 15th.  The negotiation to pay him only $2 million if he was released this year happened not this summer but when when he signed his contract in 2012.  He didn't leave $6 million on the table -- he was released before such negotiations took place.

My point is that the Magic exercised the option to waive him with Nelson's full knowledge and approval.  This wasn't like Detroit dumping Josh Smith.  Both Nelson and the Magic have said this was a mutual split.  It looks as though the Magic were interested in waiving him before his contract became fully guaranteed, but in the interest of avoiding the potential alienation of one of their most popular players and their fanbase, they ran the idea by him beforehand and he approved.

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2015, 02:57:19 PM »

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It almost makes you want to cry or beat your head in a wall when you stop and think about this Rondo trade...

Best guesses on my end:

- Nelson gets bought out.  He isn't happy here.  Let him walk.  He'll hook up with a playoff contender and his time here was minimal.  Honestly, I don't blame him.  This really turned out lousy for him.

- Danny gets anything for Wright.  Danny is boxed into a corner - he'll have to settle for what he's given.

I'd send Wright to the Raptors for Chuck Hayes' expiring contract, and would PRY and number one pick from Toronto.  Let Hayes walk as well.

Next up on the get out of Boston list: Jeff Green...  Whereabouts TBD.
crazy, have to keep track of the draft picks that come out of the deal to get a final idea of what we actually traded Rondo for  :-\
so not keeping wright makes it even harder to fathom, we traded a young tall prospect on a cheap contract (powell), nelson is gone gone gone (and can't play that well anymore), wright is going to be flipped into a second rounder? trade exception? who knows …so if we keep crowder we got a backup sf in the deal  :-[
those drafts picks had better be turned into something good
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gotta give ainge credit he's got a set on him, if all this future picks etc don't turn into something he's on the golf course full time

I think that the value I was hoping for in the Rondo deal was basically 2 mid-1sts, or a 1st and a good, young prospect.  Yes, Danny fell short of that, but not light years short.  The Dallas pick may very well turn out to be in the 12-15 range if the Mavs falter next year (which they may do given aging Dirk and wth Monta Ellis and Rondo questionable return).   If Wright gets a 2nd and Danny gets some return on the trade exception, maybe this trade turns out to be at least OK.

Wright, a protected first (Clips or Dallas) and a future second for Harrison Barnes.  Who says no?

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2015, 02:59:25 PM »

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A trade for the two players would work.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p8tf4j2

Maybe a little much to give up for WAS?
Your trade fails but I would like Porter and the more ex celts on the wiz the better.I m pulling for the wiz.

His trade only fails because the two players can't be aggregated before the deadline. However, he can do it at the deadline or if he wants to do it now, he can do two trades.

Wright for Porter
and
Nelson for Seraphin

Works for me. Not sure if the Wiz want to give up Porter but with talks of targeting Green and Durant in successive free agency, it is a definite possibility. I'd even throw them back their protected 2nd round pick.

And if they want more big man depth and want to keep Seraphin, they can use the Ariza TPE and hold onto him.

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2015, 03:01:56 PM »

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A trade for the two players would work.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p8tf4j2

Maybe a little much to give up for WAS?
Your trade fails but I would like Porter and the more ex celts on the wiz the better.I m pulling for the wiz.

His trade only fails because the two players can't be aggregated before the deadline. However, he can do it at the deadline or if he wants to do it now, he can do two trades.

Wright for Porter
and
Nelson for Seraphin

Works for me. Not sure if the Wiz want to give up Porter but with talks of targeting Green and Durant in successive free agency, it is a definite possibility. I'd even throw them back their protected 2nd round pick.

They can be before the deadline, but just not for a few more weeks. Though there's been some talk on here that they actually can if they're not used as salary balance, I believe? And that would clearly not be the case here.

Regardless, as you point out, it's a moot issue.
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Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2015, 03:06:00 PM »

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Danny needs to turn Wright/Green/Bass mid to late firsts and seconds into a wing player that we may be a part of the future core, like a Barnes or Porter. Both teams are in win now mode, the best time ever to pick off the type of player we need.

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2015, 03:08:21 PM »

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A trade for the two players would work.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p8tf4j2

Maybe a little much to give up for WAS?
Your trade fails but I would like Porter and the more ex celts on the wiz the better.I m pulling for the wiz.

His trade only fails because the two players can't be aggregated before the deadline. However, he can do it at the deadline or if he wants to do it now, he can do two trades.

Wright for Porter
and
Nelson for Seraphin

Works for me. Not sure if the Wiz want to give up Porter but with talks of targeting Green and Durant in successive free agency, it is a definite possibility. I'd even throw them back their protected 2nd round pick.

They can be before the deadline, but just not for a few more weeks. Though there's been some talk on here that they actually can if they're not used as salary balance, I believe? And that would clearly not be the case here.

Regardless, as you point out, it's a moot issue.

No, they could do this today.

You just need to structure as two separate trades since the salaries work on both trades.

Wright for Porter. That's one deal. No issues.

Nelson for either Seraphin or a protected future second with Washington using their Ariza TPE. Separate trade.

The players salaries are not being aggregated.


Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2015, 03:11:45 PM »

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Are we positive Nelson is a buyout candidate? He has an option for next year at 2.8 million. I don't know if it's a sure thing he can make that back.

Nelson opted _out_ of $8M for his final year in order to leave the rebuilding Magic (a team he had been with forever) in order to go join a contender for less than that spread across two years.

I suspect that he's not in it for the money at this point.

I don't think this is right.  Nelson was waived by the Magic.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11158495/orlando-magic-waive-veteran-guard-jameer-nelson

He did opt out in 2012, only to re-sign with the them though, and most likely knew the Magic were about to rebuild as Dwight was traded a month later to nobody's surprise.

Yes.  My bad.

I remembered him opting out but messed up the sequence.  Usually I double check the transactions.  'One time I don't I get bit.  LOL.
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Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2015, 03:14:30 PM »

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This is not a correct version of history.  Nelson was due $8 million this season from the Magic, but only $2 million of that was guaranteed if he was waived by July 15th.  The negotiation to pay him only $2 million if he was released this year happened not this summer but when when he signed his contract in 2012.  He didn't leave $6 million on the table -- he was released before such negotiations took place.

My point is that the Magic exercised the option to waive him with Nelson's full knowledge and approval.  This wasn't like Detroit dumping Josh Smith.  Both Nelson and the Magic have said this was a mutual split.  It looks as though the Magic were interested in waiving him before his contract became fully guaranteed, but in the interest of avoiding the potential alienation of one of their most popular players and their fanbase, they ran the idea by him beforehand and he approved.

He didn't have a choice.  He was getting waived.  They just called him first, and presumably worked out a payment schedule for the amount he was owed.

Was it amicable? Maybe.  Did he choose winning over the other $6 million on his contract.  I highly doubt it.  At most he got some say in the press release.

Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2015, 03:15:25 PM »

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I'm thinking folks around here are underestimating Wrights value.  I would be surprised if we did not get a first round pick in the #20 range.
he's a free agent after this year isn't he? so you are talking about a jan-end of season rental of a player who can leave
correct me if i'm wrong?
a condition that lessened rondo's value as well. good point, this matters to teams. being a 1/2 year rental makes any player less attractive.
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Re: Danny Ainge has informed Brandan Wright that he's on the trading block
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2015, 03:15:27 PM »

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Wright, a protected first (Clips or Dallas) and a future second for Harrison Barnes.  Who says no?

Marreese Speights has been doing an excellent job in the 4/5 hybrid role that Wright would fill and since they will need all the room under the tax threshold (and some that they will need to find) to be able to match offers and keep Draymond Green, they probably won't resign him, so Barnes for a late  first and a second and a slight 3month upgrade seems like they might have an issue.

They might like a more "Bogut-like" defensive center in case he continues to have health problems. I see a lot of Grizzly fans who like Wright and since Koufos only gets minutes behind Gasol and Wright could back up both Gasol and Z-bo and with Z-bo currently hurt. Maybe, get them involved. Send Wright to Memphis, Koufos to GS, and everything else the same.


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« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2015, 03:21:42 PM »

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I'm thinking folks around here are underestimating Wrights value.  I would be surprised if we did not get a first round pick in the #20 range.
he's a free agent after this year isn't he? so you are talking about a jan-end of season rental of a player who can leave
correct me if i'm wrong?
a condition that lessened rondo's value as well. good point, this matters to teams. being a 1/2 year rental makes any player less attractive.

But there are differences to.

More teams need backup big men at reasonable prices than a starting point guard.

Teams need to be concerned about having to give Rondo the max to retain him. No such worry with Wright.

Wright is a valuable backup, but how many teams do you see going after him offering a starting job? If he's going to be a backup, I would think going to or staying with a contender would be his first choice, and most or all of those will probaby only be in a position to offer him the mid-level exception. A team should expect to be able to retain him at reasonable dollars.