My new favorite Celtic, Jae Crowder

[BDeCosta26]

He is the kind of player ever gm and fan wants on their team...until he actually gets paid what he deserves. I liken it to the Brandon Bass situation.

I am a fan, though, and love him as a vet min guy moving forward (I know, unlikely).

No comparison.

Bass is an undersized power forward.

Crowder is a decent sized small forward.

I kind of meant that everybody will love Crowder until he is making 7 million / yr. Then we will still appreciate what he is doing, but will be desperate to move on from him and his contract before the ink even dries.

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

Just because someone is undersized doesn't mean he is overpaid. Barkley made a top 30 all time career being undersized. Bradley at 8 mil a year, especially considering where the cap is going, is not that bad an investment.

The folks here are way too harsh on Bradley and his contract. He's what, 23? He's not even in his prime yet, and even though I think his D has slipped a bit since he came in the league, it's no where near as big a problem as some make it out to be. 8 mil a year for a solid 3 and D guard who has an All-Defense team appearance at 23, can put up 15 Pts a game while shooting 40% from deep is not that bad a deal. People need to get off that train. I'd be willing to bet Danny gave him that envisioning him being a 6th man on his next contender.

Sorry for the rant, anyhow, I love this Crowder kid. Reminds me of a younger Crash. The scouting reports on this kid when we made the trade underestimate him. His hustle and tenacity alone is gonna earn him a spot in someone's rotation for quite a while. If he really develops that shot, he could be a nice player. We needs hold onto him for a bit and see what happens. Between him and Zeller I'm impressed with Danny's ability to see value in scraps.

[Chris22]

He is the kind of player ever gm and fan wants on their team...until he actually gets paid what he deserves. I liken it to the Brandon Bass situation.

I am a fan, though, and love him as a vet min guy moving forward (I know, unlikely).

No comparison.

Bass is an undersized power forward.

Crowder is a decent sized small forward.

I kind of meant that everybody will love Crowder until he is making 7 million / yr. Then we will still appreciate what he is doing, but will be desperate to move on from him and his contract before the ink even dries.

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

Just because someone is undersized doesn't mean he is overpaid. Barkley made a top 30 all time career being undersized. Bradley at 8 mil a year, especially considering where the cap is going, is not that bad an investment.

The folks here are way too harsh on Bradley and his contract. He's what, 23? He's not even in his prime yet, and even though I think his D has slipped a bit since he came in the league, it's no where near as big a problem as some make it out to be. 8 mil a year for a solid 3 and D guard who has an All-Defense team appearance at 23, can put up 15 Pts a game while shooting 40% from deep is not that bad a deal. People need to get off that train. I'd be willing to bet Danny gave him that envisioning him being a 6th man on his next contender.

Sorry for the rant, anyhow, I love this Crowder kid. Reminds me of a younger Crash. The scouting reports on this kid when we made the trade underestimate him. His hustle and tenacity alone is gonna earn him a spot in someone's rotation for quite a while. If he really develops that shot, he could be a nice player. We needs hold onto him for a bit and see what happens. Between him and Zeller I'm impressed with Danny's ability to see value in scraps.

I disagree. I would never have given Bradley a big contract.

I don't like undersized players. Bradley is not Charles Barkley.

[tarheelsxxiii]

He is the kind of player ever gm and fan wants on their team...until he actually gets paid what he deserves. I liken it to the Brandon Bass situation.

I am a fan, though, and love him as a vet min guy moving forward (I know, unlikely).

No comparison.

Bass is an undersized power forward.

Crowder is a decent sized small forward.

I kind of meant that everybody will love Crowder until he is making 7 million / yr. Then we will still appreciate what he is doing, but will be desperate to move on from him and his contract before the ink even dries.

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

Just because someone is undersized doesn't mean he is overpaid. Barkley made a top 30 all time career being undersized. Bradley at 8 mil a year, especially considering where the cap is going, is not that bad an investment.

The folks here are way too harsh on Bradley and his contract. He's what, 23? He's not even in his prime yet, and even though I think his D has slipped a bit since he came in the league, it's no where near as big a problem as some make it out to be. 8 mil a year for a solid 3 and D guard who has an All-Defense team appearance at 23, can put up 15 Pts a game while shooting 40% from deep is not that bad a deal. People need to get off that train. I'd be willing to bet Danny gave him that envisioning him being a 6th man on his next contender.

Sorry for the rant, anyhow, I love this Crowder kid. Reminds me of a younger Crash. The scouting reports on this kid when we made the trade underestimate him. His hustle and tenacity alone is gonna earn him a spot in someone's rotation for quite a while. If he really develops that shot, he could be a nice player. We needs hold onto him for a bit and see what happens. Between him and Zeller I'm impressed with Danny's ability to see value in scraps.

I disagree. I would never have given Bradley a big contract.

I don't like undersized players. Bradley is not Charles Barkley.

I agree. I have a hard time disliking him, though. Genuinely think that, more often than not, he plays better than he's capable. Definitely isn't Jeff Green, to make a comparison.

[Chris22]

He is the kind of player ever gm and fan wants on their team...until he actually gets paid what he deserves. I liken it to the Brandon Bass situation.

I am a fan, though, and love him as a vet min guy moving forward (I know, unlikely).

No comparison.

Bass is an undersized power forward.

Crowder is a decent sized small forward.

I kind of meant that everybody will love Crowder until he is making 7 million / yr. Then we will still appreciate what he is doing, but will be desperate to move on from him and his contract before the ink even dries.

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

Just because someone is undersized doesn't mean he is overpaid. Barkley made a top 30 all time career being undersized. Bradley at 8 mil a year, especially considering where the cap is going, is not that bad an investment.

The folks here are way too harsh on Bradley and his contract. He's what, 23? He's not even in his prime yet, and even though I think his D has slipped a bit since he came in the league, it's no where near as big a problem as some make it out to be. 8 mil a year for a solid 3 and D guard who has an All-Defense team appearance at 23, can put up 15 Pts a game while shooting 40% from deep is not that bad a deal. People need to get off that train. I'd be willing to bet Danny gave him that envisioning him being a 6th man on his next contender.

Sorry for the rant, anyhow, I love this Crowder kid. Reminds me of a younger Crash. The scouting reports on this kid when we made the trade underestimate him. His hustle and tenacity alone is gonna earn him a spot in someone's rotation for quite a while. If he really develops that shot, he could be a nice player. We needs hold onto him for a bit and see what happens. Between him and Zeller I'm impressed with Danny's ability to see value in scraps.

I disagree. I would never have given Bradley a big contract.

I don't like undersized players. Bradley is not Charles Barkley.

I agree. I have a hard time disliking him, though. Genuinely think that, more often than not, he plays better than he's capable. Definitely isn't Jeff Green, to make a comparison.

I guess Jeff is really hurt that he is going to be traded.

Jeff, maybe if you had played with some focus....

[BDeCosta26]

He is the kind of player ever gm and fan wants on their team...until he actually gets paid what he deserves. I liken it to the Brandon Bass situation.

I am a fan, though, and love him as a vet min guy moving forward (I know, unlikely).

No comparison.

Bass is an undersized power forward.

Crowder is a decent sized small forward.

I kind of meant that everybody will love Crowder until he is making 7 million / yr. Then we will still appreciate what he is doing, but will be desperate to move on from him and his contract before the ink even dries.

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

Just because someone is undersized doesn't mean he is overpaid. Barkley made a top 30 all time career being undersized. Bradley at 8 mil a year, especially considering where the cap is going, is not that bad an investment.

The folks here are way too harsh on Bradley and his contract. He's what, 23? He's not even in his prime yet, and even though I think his D has slipped a bit since he came in the league, it's no where near as big a problem as some make it out to be. 8 mil a year for a solid 3 and D guard who has an All-Defense team appearance at 23, can put up 15 Pts a game while shooting 40% from deep is not that bad a deal. People need to get off that train. I'd be willing to bet Danny gave him that envisioning him being a 6th man on his next contender.

Sorry for the rant, anyhow, I love this Crowder kid. Reminds me of a younger Crash. The scouting reports on this kid when we made the trade underestimate him. His hustle and tenacity alone is gonna earn him a spot in someone's rotation for quite a while. If he really develops that shot, he could be a nice player. We needs hold onto him for a bit and see what happens. Between him and Zeller I'm impressed with Danny's ability to see value in scraps.

I disagree. I would never have given Bradley a big contract.

I don't like undersized players. Bradley is not Charles Barkley.

8 Mil isn't exactly "big", especially considering its percentage of the overall payroll is gonna be even less than it is now in the coming years.

I don't mean to say he is Barkley, he's just an example of how being undersized is overcome when you have high quality, or in Barkley's case transcendent, NBA skills. Bradley has a deserved reputation as one of the leagues best perimeter defenders which is a highly sought after skill in today's NBA. And now he's developed his 3pt shot into something better than league average. Plus he's on 23. There's still room to grow.

 I agree with the idea that he might be better served coming off the bench. But two years from now, assuming Bradley continues to develop, 8 mil for a 6th man who can lock down the opposing teams best guard and score 15 points given the shots still seems like a good deal.

If a player has a few very good NBA skills, be it top notch defense, a nose for rebounds, a deadly stroke, a knack for blocking shots, it shouldn't matter too much that their undersized. Especially when their only 23 and there is still room to get better. Bradley can play a very important role in the nba and play it well. His contract may not be a steal, even more so right now, but it's not this horrible disaster everyone makes it out to be. If we had a good team, he would be playing a very specific role for us instead of being one of the few people we have that might make a shot.

[aingeforthree]

Good things just happen when Crowder or Smart hit the floor. You can't teach heart

[tarheelsxxiii]

Good things just happen when Crowder or Smart hit the floor. You can't teach heart

What I love is that he made a pretty bold comment, one which a lot of fans felt was inappropriate given his tenure and role here. But then he backed it up, again, with his toughness and focus. Can't argue with that.

[2short]

He is the kind of player ever gm and fan wants on their team...until he actually gets paid what he deserves. I liken it to the Brandon Bass situation.

I am a fan, though, and love him as a vet min guy moving forward (I know, unlikely).

No comparison.

Bass is an undersized power forward.

Crowder is a decent sized small forward.

I kind of meant that everybody will love Crowder until he is making 7 million / yr. Then we will still appreciate what he is doing, but will be desperate to move on from him and his contract before the ink even dries.

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

Just because someone is undersized doesn't mean he is overpaid. Barkley made a top 30 all time career being undersized. Bradley at 8 mil a year, especially considering where the cap is going, is not that bad an investment.

The folks here are way too harsh on Bradley and his contract. He's what, 23? He's not even in his prime yet, and even though I think his D has slipped a bit since he came in the league, it's no where near as big a problem as some make it out to be. 8 mil a year for a solid 3 and D guard who has an All-Defense team appearance at 23, can put up 15 Pts a game while shooting 40% from deep is not that bad a deal. People need to get off that train. I'd be willing to bet Danny gave him that envisioning him being a 6th man on his next contender.

Sorry for the rant, anyhow, I love this Crowder kid. Reminds me of a younger Crash. The scouting reports on this kid when we made the trade underestimate him. His hustle and tenacity alone is gonna earn him a spot in someone's rotation for quite a while. If he really develops that shot, he could be a nice player. We needs hold onto him for a bit and see what happens. Between him and Zeller I'm impressed with Danny's ability to see value in scraps.

I disagree. I would never have given Bradley a big contract.

I don't like undersized players. Bradley is not Charles Barkley.

8 Mil isn't exactly "big", especially considering its percentage of the overall payroll is gonna be even less than it is now in the coming years.

I don't mean to say he is Barkley, he's just an example of how being undersized is overcome when you have high quality, or in Barkley's case transcendent, NBA skills. Bradley has a deserved reputation as one of the leagues best perimeter defenders which is a highly sought after skill in today's NBA. And now he's developed his 3pt shot into something better than league average. Plus he's on 23. There's still room to grow.

 I agree with the idea that he might be better served coming off the bench. But two years from now, assuming Bradley continues to develop, 8 mil for a 6th man who can lock down the opposing teams best guard and score 15 points given the shots still seems like a good deal.

If a player has a few very good NBA skills, be it top notch defense, a nose for rebounds, a deadly stroke, a knack for blocking shots, it shouldn't matter too much that their undersized. Especially when their only 23 and there is still room to get better. Bradley can play a very important role in the nba and play it well. His contract may not be a steal, even more so right now, but it's not this horrible disaster everyone makes it out to be. If we had a good team, he would be playing a very specific role for us instead of being one of the few people we have that might make a shot.

thing with bradley is his defense is a reputation only now and its been a few years
his 15 points a game are done with starters minutes and lots of shots
smart will pass him on depth chart next year and i still think he's a combo guard not a true sg, avery is a sg only because his handle is so poor

[The One]

I also wanted to draft him out of college.  I honestly thought he was going to be better stats-wise, my unfair expectations unfortunately.

But he has heart and effort and with the talent he has...he's a rotation player on a championship team.

[TheTruthFot18]

Just showing some emotion after a good play and a dunk was nice. Like the passion

[littleteapot]

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

I think that judging basketball ability by measuring people's arms and legs is a huge oversimplification, but if you want to play the game I don't see how you can say Crowder isn't undersized.

Crowder was measured at the NBA combine to be 6'5'' without shoes with a 6'9'' wingspan and an 8'3'' standing reach. Compare that to James Young, who many here think will never be big enough to guard the bigger wings in the league and will be forced to play SG: James Young is 6'7'' without shoes with a 7' wingspan and an 8'8'' standing reach.

In fact compare Crowder to Marcus Smart. Smart is 6'3'', with a 6'9'' wingspan and an 8'3'' standing reach. This guy's somewhere between a big point guard and a little shooting guard, and he's just as long as the SF Jae Crowder.

[clover]

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

I think that judging basketball ability by measuring people's arms and legs is a huge oversimplification, but if you want to play the game I don't see how you can say Crowder isn't undersized.

Crowder was measured at the NBA combine to be 6'5'' without shoes with a 6'9'' wingspan and an 8'3'' standing reach. Compare that to James Young, who many here think will never be big enough to guard the bigger wings in the league and will be forced to play SG: James Young is 6'7'' without shoes with a 7' wingspan and an 8'8'' standing reach.

In fact compare Crowder to Marcus Smart. Smart is 6'3'', with a 6'9'' wingspan and an 8'3'' standing reach. This guy's somewhere between a big point guard and a little shooting guard, and he's just as long as the SF Jae Crowder.

At their respective combines, Crowder was 6'5.75" w/o shoes and 241 pounds, while Young was 6'5.25" and 213. So Crowder was a half inch shorter than Young, but weighed almost 30 pounds more.

Crowder and Smart are much more similar in wingspan and standing reach, while James is a bit freakish with his 8'8" standing reach and slightly greater hops.

The biggest difference right now is that Crowder is 24 to Young's 19, and with his greater bulk as well he's much stronger than Young. I see Young as best at the 2 for a couple of years, growing into the 3 spot over time.

And I agree, the undersized emphasis on salary is overstated. Bass's salary was fine for the right contender, Young and Crowder are still on rookie deals, and AB's contract may not look good for another couple of years.

[CFAN38]

Have always been a crowder fan, was really suprised/let down when he measured small at the pre draft. He he was bigger he would be a very good starting SF. I like him off the bench and post Green trade he should get some good minutes and be backed up by Young.

[Chris22]

Bradley is undersized and thus overpaid.
Bass is undersized and thus overpaid.
Crowder is not undersized, so he is a better investment.
That's my point.

I think that judging basketball ability by measuring people's arms and legs is a huge oversimplification, but if you want to play the game I don't see how you can say Crowder isn't undersized.

Crowder was measured at the NBA combine to be 6'5'' without shoes with a 6'9'' wingspan and an 8'3'' standing reach. Compare that to James Young, who many here think will never be big enough to guard the bigger wings in the league and will be forced to play SG: James Young is 6'7'' without shoes with a 7' wingspan and an 8'8'' standing reach.

In fact compare Crowder to Marcus Smart. Smart is 6'3'', with a 6'9'' wingspan and an 8'3'' standing reach. This guy's somewhere between a big point guard and a little shooting guard, and he's just as long as the SF Jae Crowder.

Size and strength are not length.

Bradley and Bass keep getting their lunch money stolen.

[littleteapot]

Size and strength are not length.

Bradley and Bass keep getting their lunch money stolen.

Lol Bass weighs more than David West.