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Re: Success of Jusuf Nurkic really irksome for Celtics fans
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2015, 05:57:16 PM »

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Before the draft, I want Gordon and Nurkic. They both ended up getting picked before we selected.

I only find success of players irksome when we pass on them to draft a player that doesn't perform.

so much this, TP for you. reminds me of when we picked JJJ when PJ3 was still on the board, which is out of the league and which is getting rotation minutes on a playoff bound team?

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 06:04:26 PM »

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We picked Fab Melo instead of PJ3, ugh. 

Re: Success of Jusuf Nurkic really irksome for Celtics fans
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2015, 11:15:52 AM »

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There have been 3 selections by Ainge in which I was irritated the day of the draft

JR Giddens instead of DeAndre Jordan
Fab Melo instead of Perry Jones
Kelly Olynyk instead of Giannis Antetokounmpo

Other drafts I would have gone a different route, but I wasn't irritated (like I would have taken Randle instead of Smart, but I wasn't irritated by the pick)
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2015, 11:20:45 AM »

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There have been 3 selections by Ainge in which I was irritated the day of the draft

JR Giddens instead of DeAndre Jordan
Fab Melo instead of Perry Jones
Kelly Olynyk instead of Giannis Antetokounmpo

Other drafts I would have gone a different route, but I wasn't irritated (like I would have taken Randle instead of Smart, but I wasn't irritated by the pick)

How about KO instead of the Greek Freak???  All through the draft process that year you heard how Ainge was tied to the Greek Freak and they trade up to get KO?? 


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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2015, 11:23:09 AM »

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There have been 3 selections by Ainge in which I was irritated the day of the draft

JR Giddens instead of DeAndre Jordan
Fab Melo instead of Perry Jones
Kelly Olynyk instead of Giannis Antetokounmpo

Other drafts I would have gone a different route, but I wasn't irritated (like I would have taken Randle instead of Smart, but I wasn't irritated by the pick)

How about KO instead of the Greek Freak???  All through the draft process that year you heard how Ainge was tied to the Greek Freak and they trade up to get KO??

I'm very happy with Olynyk.

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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2015, 11:49:18 AM »

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Yeah, Nurkic is looking really good. I'm surprised he slid as far as he did, I would've taken him ahead of any other player in the teens (and even ahead of guys like Randle, Stauskas, McDermott). I would hope that Ainge would've taken him, given the opportunity, but of course he doesn't usually draft internationals in round 1.

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2015, 12:15:37 PM »

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JR Giddeons was not good, but please, NOBODY thought DeAndre Jordan, a guy who cannot shoot, cannot get his own shots, shoots less than 40% FT and really only dunks and rebounds would be anything more than a D-Leaguer or bench warmer.

Remember the years these players came out and you will have a better idea why people were drafted.

JR Giddens was I believe a McDonald's All-American in HS and played for Kansas.  So he was elite at one point.

Olynyk was a steal the Celtics should of never gotten.  I would not be too upset about that pick.  And the book is not written on either player since they are both 2 years in.  Olynyk has potential to be a very solid if not impressive NBA player.  Patience I would say for him.

Perry Jones?  Fab Melo is terrible sure, but Perry Jones, you are wishing for Perry Jones?

Not gonna lose sleep about that mistake.

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2015, 12:31:33 PM »

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Nurkic is the reason Mozgov was expendable for the Nuggets (they got two first rounders for him!).
The reason Mozgov is expendable is that the Nuggets are god-awful this year.
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2015, 12:39:43 PM »

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JR Giddeons was not good, but please, NOBODY thought DeAndre Jordan, a guy who cannot shoot, cannot get his own shots, shoots less than 40% FT and really only dunks and rebounds would be anything more than a D-Leaguer or bench warmer.

Remember the years these players came out and you will have a better idea why people were drafted.

JR Giddens was I believe a McDonald's All-American in HS and played for Kansas.  So he was elite at one point.

Olynyk was a steal the Celtics should of never gotten.  I would not be too upset about that pick.  And the book is not written on either player since they are both 2 years in.  Olynyk has potential to be a very solid if not impressive NBA player.  Patience I would say for him.

Perry Jones?  Fab Melo is terrible sure, but Perry Jones, you are wishing for Perry Jones?

Not gonna lose sleep about that mistake.
Giddens transfered and came out of New Mexico though.  The thing with taking him was that he was not on anyone else's radar and a number of more successful players were taken right after him.  Jordan has his issues but he's starting in the NBA (and would for a number of teams) where Giddens is long gone.

other than that, I think your points are solid.  I wanted PJIII over Melo (didn't want Melo whatsoever) but he's not lighting the world on fire. 

So many people here were screaming about trading Brooks for JJJ (I was happy with either by that point in the draft) but both are out of the league.  JJJ had the tools to succeed so I can't see how he wasn't a reasonable pick.  Still can't figure out how someone with his skills couldn't put it together -- so bad he's out of the league in 2 years.

Giannis has shown glimpses he can be good.  so has KO.  no complaints with that pick although KO wasn't who I would have preferred at the time.  Really wanted Dieng. 

As for Nurkic, who can get upset over not selecting someone who wasn't available when we picked?

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2015, 12:53:04 PM »

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Nurkic is the reason Mozgov was expendable for the Nuggets (they got two first rounders for him!).
The reason Mozgov is expendable is that the Nuggets are god-awful this year.

No, that's the reason he was available.

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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2015, 01:32:38 PM »

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There have been 3 selections by Ainge in which I was irritated the day of the draft

JR Giddens instead of DeAndre Jordan
Fab Melo instead of Perry Jones
Kelly Olynyk instead of Giannis Antetokounmpo

Other drafts I would have gone a different route, but I wasn't irritated (like I would have taken Randle instead of Smart, but I wasn't irritated by the pick)

How about KO instead of the Greek Freak???  All through the draft process that year you heard how Ainge was tied to the Greek Freak and they trade up to get KO??

Quiz: what is the Greek Freak's real name?

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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2015, 02:11:00 PM »

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We picked Fab Melo instead of PJ3, ugh. 

Melo was high risk ( dubious skill leve college player and knucklehead) and high reward ( he has demonstrated good shot blocking skills but little in other areas),

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2015, 02:48:27 PM »

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JR Giddeons was not good, but please, NOBODY thought DeAndre Jordan, a guy who cannot shoot, cannot get his own shots, shoots less than 40% FT and really only dunks and rebounds would be anything more than a D-Leaguer or bench warmer.

Remember the years these players came out and you will have a better idea why people were drafted.

JR Giddens was I believe a McDonald's All-American in HS and played for Kansas.  So he was elite at one point.

Olynyk was a steal the Celtics should of never gotten.  I would not be too upset about that pick.  And the book is not written on either player since they are both 2 years in.  Olynyk has potential to be a very solid if not impressive NBA player.  Patience I would say for him.

Perry Jones?  Fab Melo is terrible sure, but Perry Jones, you are wishing for Perry Jones?

Not gonna lose sleep about that mistake.
You weren't around in 2008, but I assure you there were plenty of people, myself being one of them, that wanted Boston to draft DeAndre Jordan (CDR was also a very popular person that year on this board).  We felt he was the right kind of player for a team that was the defending NBA champion.  He had immense defensive potential to become the player he actually has become. 

Perry Jones while Durant was out this year and before he was hurt was having a pretty darn good year (granted it was a very small sample size, but he looked pretty solid).  He just seemed like a much better pick than Fab Melo who was a total project, which a team in Boston's position shouldn't have been drafting.  Many people on this board wanted Sullinger and Jones, and when they were both on the board for the back to back picks we were ecstatic only to be let down by the selection of Melo (who is out of the league after just 1 season in the NBA).
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2015, 02:49:57 PM »

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There have been 3 selections by Ainge in which I was irritated the day of the draft

JR Giddens instead of DeAndre Jordan
Fab Melo instead of Perry Jones
Kelly Olynyk instead of Giannis Antetokounmpo

Other drafts I would have gone a different route, but I wasn't irritated (like I would have taken Randle instead of Smart, but I wasn't irritated by the pick)

How about KO instead of the Greek Freak???  All through the draft process that year you heard how Ainge was tied to the Greek Freak and they trade up to get KO??

Quiz: what is the Greek Freak's real name?
Yeah that was funny
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2015, 03:00:44 PM »

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We picked Fab Melo instead of PJ3, ugh. 

Melo was high risk ( dubious skill leve college player and knucklehead) and high reward ( he has demonstrated good shot blocking skills but little in other areas),
and at the time there were real questions about pj3, particularly about whether his knees were strong enough to hold up in the nba. i am not saying melo was the better choice, only that danny has reasons for what he does.
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