Post Game: Crowder says Stevens needs to hold players more accountable

[vinnie]

Brad Stevens is in over his head. I have said from the beginning that his Barney, I love you, you love me style is not going to cut it in the league.

[Kuberski33]

Brad Stevens is in over his head. I have said from the beginning that his Barney, I love you, you love me style is not going to cut it in the league.

I'd still rather have a guy who was a great coach at the college level over an NBA re-tread on his 3rd or 4th head coaching job.  But its nights like this where I wonder why he ever wanted to leave college for the pro game.

[Snakehead]

And now we enter the "blame the coach because we have no established talent" phase of the rebuild.

[fantankerous]

Stevens is showcasing talent for trade.

Say goodbye Jeff Green.

He's even failing at that.  Fire this amateur.

[oldtype]

If there are players having a toxic effect on the dressing room, (e.g. Jeff Green), they need to be sold immediately before they hamper the development of our young assets. Dumped for nothing if we have to.

[pearljammer10]

Jae Crowder was my favorite celtic the minute he got here.

Loved him since Marquette.

I completely agree with him here. Stevens is too nice. His post game interviews are always this is on me and I take responsibility for that. Crowder is right in my eyes. Especially coming from a winners mentality environment.

[MBunge]

Stevens postgame:

Those are the words of a man who is out of his depth and knows it. 

Mike

[MBunge]

Love the comments.  From the start, Stevens has not had the control of the team you have to have in the NBA.

Mike

[vinnie]

And now we enter the "blame the coach because we have no established talent" phase of the rebuild.

I was against the hire from the beginning. Not blaming him for anything. I just don't think he ever should have been named the coach here.

[Chris22]

Stevens is losing on purpose.

Embrace the tank.

[33_Larry Legend_33]

A few thoughts I have on this...

- Brad is a players coach...to a fault.  He seems to be a bit of a people pleaser.  That might work in the living room of a high school senior, but not the world of millionaire nba players.  I get that he's cool and calm, but my goodness, the guy just seems to be so stoic it's frustrating.

- Danny has done Brad NO FAVORS.  I remember Danny saying last year that the roster lacked balance.  Well, Danny boy, you've done it again...  You've assembled a roster of 15 players in which ALL OF THEM need to play.  They are all basically role players, and they ALL could play 25-30 minutes per night.  Oh, and once Thornton comes back what will yet again happen to Brad's rotations??  It's a mess, and Danny needs to start shipping some pieces out.

- Which leads me to this point: Brad needs to show some stones and JUST PLAY a rotation of TEN GUYS!!  So 5 guys aren't happy??  Who cares...  Be a man and put your foot down.  If it means that Bass, Jameer, Thornton, Wallace and Avery sit - so be it.  Let's be honest: how many of these guys are coming back?  How many of them will even be here come late February?  Yet Brad seems like he wants to be the likeable guy and not offend anyone...  But it's not working.

- Which leads me to this point: He can't find a combination that works well.  But I THINK maybe tonight will be the eye opener...  That last group of guys hustled their tails off.  I want to see what Crowder is made of.  I already like him.  Young may have had his coming out party tonight.  Marcus needs to learn how to play, warts and all.  But Brad keeps mixing and matching these guys like a fire drill, and I find it sickening.  There is no cohesion to how they play.  Um Brad...that is TOTALLY on YOU as coach.

- Lastly, I don't know if Brad will stick around.  I really don't.  I remember how Pitino started to sound before he walked away and let Jim O'Brien take over.  Pitino was a defeated man.  His comments were self-defeating.  Brad sounded the same tonight.  Let's be honest: we hit ROCK BOTTOM tonight.  We were getting killed by a lowly basketball team that didn't even have their best (or 2nd best) player (Jefferson).  It was embarrassing...  Is Stevens in over his head?  I don't know, but this college mindset he displays, and his continual comments of how he's learning all the time...  If I were an NBA player, I'm not sure how well I would receive that.  He just sounds lost at times, and that quote he gave tonight is the quote of all quotes of a coach groping in the dark.

But this team is a mess right now.  I keep hearing about the "process" - but I must be honest, I don't really know what that means.  I think I'd feel better about being a fan of the 76ers right now, as it's as clear as could be what their "process" is.  I don't know if we're wanting to lose... play veterans...make the playoffs...lose and bottom out.  I'm confused.  And the more Danny opens his mouth the more confused I get...

[sed522002]

Crowder's full quote..very interesting

Crowder added: "I know (Stevens is) trying to figure it out. The coaching staff's trying to figure out and us as players are trying to figure it out. But we shouldn't have to figure out playing hard. As a basketball player you should always be ready to play hard no matter what the situation is. Our new guys, old guys, whatever it is, you should always have yourself ready to play hard."

One reporter asked Crowder what Stevens can do differently with his preparation.

"I don't know what he can do to prepare," the small forward responded. "But when something like that happens, I guess hold guys accountable early. Just don't let it keep happening. We just kept digging ourselves in a hole. I just feel like he's got to hold guys a little more accountable."

Does that mean screaming, benching players, something else?

"All of the above. Whatever it takes," Crowder said. "You've got to find out what it takes for your unit, for your team. I've been around coaches who cut guys' minutes, who yell at them. Sometimes, some coaches do all of the above, like I said. But whatever it is you've got to hold guys accountable. Show them in film session of what's going on and how we can get better a little bit more, and go from there.

"It's being done, but I think it has to step up a notch because we've lost however many out of the last however many, and he keeps saying the same thing is happening. I think we have to switch it up a little bit and find out what works for the team."

[hwangjini_1]

And now we enter the "blame the coach because we have no established talent" phase of the rebuild.

actually, this thread's tone reminds me of  celticblog threads about doc rivers prior to the big 3 getting together. no talent on the team meant doc couldn't coach. doc was awful, crap, incompetent, unable to coach he way out of a paper bag and he would never have the celtics win.

amazing what having talented players on the team does to a coach.

this is a tough time for everyone. but as the celtics showed before, once you get talent on the team and win games, suddenly the coach is good and players are happy and celticsblog becomes a lot less crabby.

i am glad some players are cranky about losing. it shows spirit. as for CBS, he has coached a total of how many nba games and some posters have written him off already. no chance to grow, no chance to learn, no chance to coach a team with talent. they just write him off.

i think stevens will do fine. it is hard but i respect what he is doing under hard circumstances.

this board is often impatient and a 3-5 year rebuild doesnt make many people happy. but it is what it is and ainge is making progress towards acquiring talent.

[Kuberski33]

33_Larry I think you've made some great points. I'm getting the sense that Danny needs to move or this could really implode.

[rondohondo]

Crowder's full quote..very interesting

Crowder added: "I know (Stevens is) trying to figure it out. The coaching staff's trying to figure out and us as players are trying to figure it out. But we shouldn't have to figure out playing hard. As a basketball player you should always be ready to play hard no matter what the situation is. Our new guys, old guys, whatever it is, you should always have yourself ready to play hard."

One reporter asked Crowder what Stevens can do differently with his preparation.

"I don't know what he can do to prepare," the small forward responded. "But when something like that happens, I guess hold guys accountable early. Just don't let it keep happening. We just kept digging ourselves in a hole. I just feel like he's got to hold guys a little more accountable."

Does that mean screaming, benching players, something else?

"All of the above. Whatever it takes," Crowder said. "You've got to find out what it takes for your unit, for your team. I've been around coaches who cut guys' minutes, who yell at them. Sometimes, some coaches do all of the above, like I said. But whatever it is you've got to hold guys accountable. Show them in film session of what's going on and how we can get better a little bit more, and go from there.

"It's being done, but I think it has to step up a notch because we've lost however many out of the last however many, and he keeps saying the same thing is happening. I think we have to switch it up a little bit and find out what works for the team."

Welp, looks like I have to move Crowder, how dare he try to stop the tank.....