What's our cap situation looking like?

[tazzmaniac]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

i believe the stretch is over 5 years, but i could be wrong. if they stretch wallace his salary would drop to about $2 million. that would save $8 million more in salary. with green gone, it would be enough to a free agent and maybe a trade for a star as well.

In Wallace's case, it would be over 3 years (2 times the number of years left on the contract plus 1 year). 

[Nerf DPOY]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

i believe the stretch is over 5 years, but i could be wrong. if they stretch wallace his salary would drop to about $2 million. that would save $8 million more in salary. with green gone, it would be enough to a free agent and maybe a trade for a star as well.

I think it's the remaining year(s) times 2 plus 1. So in Wallace's case, it'd be 3 years. Like others have said, I doubt they use it. It would make little sense for us and no sense to the likes of a Marc Gasol type who will have a lot better options than running with Marcus Smart and Kelly Olynyk.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2311153-predicting-next-wave-of-nbas-stretch-provision-candidates

Edit: Beaten to punch by Tazz, and by 5 minutes! Good grief am I slow.

[feckless]

What top flight player would choose Boston with the crap that Danny has assembled.

With Rondo gone Boston has nothing to lure players except greed.  Best players want to go where they can win, money is not enough to get the best.

[tazzmaniac]

What top flight player would choose Boston with the crap that Danny has assembled.

With Rondo gone Boston has nothing to lure players except greed.  Best players want to go where they can win, money is not enough to get the best.

No top flight player will come to Boston.  Besides money, Boston also has starting spots and playing time to offer.  Ainge needs to focus on younger players who've shown potential but are being underutilized.  Someone like Reggie Jackson who is stuck coming off the bench in OKC but has said he wants to be a starter. 

[hwangjini_1]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

i believe the stretch is over 5 years, but i could be wrong. if they stretch wallace his salary would drop to about $2 million. that would save $8 million more in salary. with green gone, it would be enough to a free agent and maybe a trade for a star as well.

In Wallace's case, it would be over 3 years (2 times the number of years left on the contract plus 1 year).

Thanks tazz for straightening my info out. Tp for you.

[hwangjini_1]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

i believe the stretch is over 5 years, but i could be wrong. if they stretch wallace his salary would drop to about $2 million. that would save $8 million more in salary. with green gone, it would be enough to a free agent and maybe a trade for a star as well.

I think it's the remaining year(s) times 2 plus 1. So in Wallace's case, it'd be 3 years. Like others have said, I doubt they use it. It would make little sense for us and no sense to the likes of a Marc Gasol type who will have a lot better options than running with Marcus Smart and Kelly Olynyk.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2311153-predicting-next-wave-of-nbas-stretch-provision-candidates

Edit: Beaten to punch by Tazz, and by 5 minutes! Good grief am I slow.

Slow but correct. a tp for you as well. Thanks.

[Irish Stew]

We have about $46 million dollars committed for next season, if we lose Green that number goes to about $37 million (presuming not taking any salaries on for next season).  Figure about a $3.4 million dollar contract for our first and about $2.1 for the Clippers pick so we have about $45 million committed without Green and about $54 committed with Green on the roster (both of these numbers take into account second rounders and minimum salary players to fill the roster which the CBA requires).  The projected salary cap is $66.5 million with the tax level being $81 million in 2015-16.

I have our cap number closer to $42 million under the assumption that both Nelson and Green will either opt out or be moved for expiring contracts. It's probably irrelevant since this free agent class is weak and the real prizes like MGasol and Butler probably wouldn't sign with this current train wreck of a NBA franchise even if we overpay them up to the max(we should still try of course). I think Ainge is pointing more towards 2016 when Wallace is off the books and the free agent class is deeper. I would love to move Bradley's contract because he has been a disappointment to me but Ainge is unlikely to do that and I'm not even sure if there is any interest in him anyway. That would save another $8 million against the cap and I believe that Young is our long term answer at the 2.

[LooseCannon]

I think there will be enough cap room (might have to send out a pick with salary to create it) to throw $13-16m/year at Paul Millsap and Omer Asik, which would make me happy.

[Irish Stew]

I think there will be enough cap room (might have to send out a pick with salary to create it) to throw $13-16m/year at Paul Millsap and Omer Asik, which would make me happy.

I think that Asik is a nice idea to overpay slightly as he would certainly improve our interior defense and will only be 29 at the start of next season. That's about as old as a player that I would consider signing. Millsap will be 30 in one month. I would have reservations about a 30 year old free agent signing. Even though there is only one and one half years age difference between the two, at some point free agents become too old for where we are in our rebuild. If he were the final piece to the puzzle, then I would say yes but I don't think that we are anywhere near that point. Our roster could certainly be massaged to create cap space if we absolutely need to.

[apc]

Unfortunately there are a handful of other teams with cap space we will have to compete with.

[BleedGreen1989]

Unfortunately there are a handful of other teams with cap space we will have to compete with.

Yeah, which means we may have to overpay to get somebody to come to our lottery team.

Is there anybody worth overpaying for?

[dreamgreen]

Cap space sounds nice but in all reality I'm sure Danny will look to acquire talent through trades. In a perfect world we would make a good trade at the dead line, get lucky in the draft, and add a nice piece in free agency (or another trade) this summer. We could be the Hawks of 2015.

[LarBrd33]

How much cap space are we going to have this summer?  I imagine it depends most heavily on if we are able to dump Jeff Green for an expiring contract and a 2nd rounder, right?

Say we are successful in removing Jeff Green... how much cap space will we have after we use our draft picks?

  Hopefully enough to sign a couple of star players and have enough left over to bring back Rondo, right?

Totally, Tim...

But if we don't use the stretch provision on Wallace and somehow Green remains, we're only looking at about 12 million in cap space total this summer.  That's concerning.

[LarBrd33]

We have about $46 million dollars committed for next season, if we lose Green that number goes to about $37 million (presuming not taking any salaries on for next season).  Figure about a $3.4 million dollar contract for our first and about $2.1 for the Clippers pick so we have about $45 million committed without Green and about $54 committed with Green on the roster (both of these numbers take into account second rounders and minimum salary players to fill the roster which the CBA requires).  The projected salary cap is $66.5 million with the tax level being $81 million in 2015-16.

I have our cap number closer to $42 million under the assumption that both Nelson and Green will either opt out or be moved for expiring contracts. It's probably irrelevant since this free agent class is weak and the real prizes like MGasol and Butler probably wouldn't sign with this current train wreck of a NBA franchise even if we overpay them up to the max(we should still try of course). I think Ainge is pointing more towards 2016 when Wallace is off the books and the free agent class is deeper. I would love to move Bradley's contract because he has been a disappointment to me but Ainge is unlikely to do that and I'm not even sure if there is any interest in him anyway. That would save another $8 million against the cap and I believe that Young is our long term answer at the 2.

This free agent class isn't that bad, is it?  http://hoopshype.com/free_agency_2015.htm

I know most of the guys aren't going anywhere, but there's some solid players potentially available.

The Bradley thing kind of messes with us.  Even if we somehow find takers for Green/Jameer and take back expirings... even if we use the stretch provision on Wallace and take a cap hit of 3.3 mil over the next 3 seasons.... we're still only looking at like 28 mil in total cap space, right?   

If max deals are 18 mil, that's not going to be enough to lure two max players (like Rondo and Gasol, for instance)

However... if we dump Bradley for an expiring and free up another 8 mil in cap space... two max players would be possible, I guess.

[cb8883]

How much cap space are we going to have this summer?  I imagine it depends most heavily on if we are able to dump Jeff Green for an expiring contract and a 2nd rounder, right?

Say we are successful in removing Jeff Green... how much cap space will we have after we use our draft picks?

  Hopefully enough to sign a couple of star players and have enough left over to bring back Rondo, right?

Tim, please let Rondo go. If you really want to try to sign a free agent then I guess Dragic would be the best bet. I just don't see why he would leave the warm climate of Phoenix for Boston. Rondo is gone and I feel like he's staying in Dallas. He was incredibly overrated anyways. I'd take Dragic over him 10 out of 10 times.

Or you could just package Bradley Green and Bass for Bledsoe...