What's our cap situation looking like?

[LarBrd33]

How much cap space are we going to have this summer?  I imagine it depends most heavily on if we are able to dump Jeff Green for an expiring contract and a 2nd rounder, right?

Say we are successful in removing Jeff Green... how much cap space will we have after we use our draft picks?

[Celts Fan 508]

We have about $46 million dollars committed for next season, if we lose Green that number goes to about $37 million (presuming not taking any salaries on for next season).  Figure about a $3.4 million dollar contract for our first and about $2.1 for the Clippers pick so we have about $45 million committed without Green and about $54 committed with Green on the roster (both of these numbers take into account second rounders and minimum salary players to fill the roster which the CBA requires).  The projected salary cap is $66.5 million with the tax level being $81 million in 2015-16.

[inverselock]

About 37million w/o Green.

Cap might rise to 66.5 million.

[LarBrd33]

We have about $46 million dollars committed for next season, if we lose Green that number goes to about $37 million (presuming not taking any salaries on for next season).  Figure about a $3.4 million dollar contract for our first and about $2.1 for the Clippers pick so we have about $45 million committed without Green and about $54 committed with Green on the roster (both of these numbers take into account second rounders and minimum salary players to fill the roster which the CBA requires).  The projected salary cap is $66.5 million with the tax level being $81 million in 2015-16.

So we're looking at about only 12 mil in cap space with Jeff Green and about 21 mil in cap space without him...

Well then, it makes a lot of sense why Ainge is urgently trying to get rid of Jeff Green.  Don't max contracts start at about 18 mil for veterans signed without bird rights?

[dreamgreen]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

[JSD]

Green is pretty much expiring. Only a major injury would stop him from opting out.

[LarBrd33]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

[fairweatherfan]

We have about $46 million dollars committed for next season, if we lose Green that number goes to about $37 million (presuming not taking any salaries on for next season).  Figure about a $3.4 million dollar contract for our first and about $2.1 for the Clippers pick so we have about $45 million committed without Green and about $54 committed with Green on the roster (both of these numbers take into account second rounders and minimum salary players to fill the roster which the CBA requires).  The projected salary cap is $66.5 million with the tax level being $81 million in 2015-16.

So we're looking at about only 12 mil in cap space with Jeff Green and about 21 mil in cap space without him...

Well then, it makes a lot of sense why Ainge is urgently trying to get rid of Jeff Green.  Don't max contracts start at about 18 mil for veterans signed without bird rights?

Green has an opt-out and is reportedly very likely to take it, since he can probably get more than $9 million per this offseason.  So it's probably $21 million in space either way.


EDIT: JSD beat me to it.

[slamtheking]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

why stretch Wallace?  what max player would want to join this mess? 

Green will opt out.  look at what similar players like Parsons and Hayward got -- about $15 mill each.  Neither is as athletic as Green.  The only way Green does not opt out is if he thinks becoming a FA the following year when the cap is really expected to jump outweighs getting paid a more money a year sooner.  personally, I don't think he'd make up that difference waiting that extra year

[saltlover]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

Yes, it would be approximately $3.3 million per year to stretch Wallace.

Also, I think there is no question Jeff Green will opt out.  Even if you don't think he'll get $9 million per year (and I think you'll be very surprised), he'll certainly be able to get a 4-year guaranteed deal.  For someone who missed out on a year of salary due to heart issues, don't underestimate the value of 4 guaranteed years.  About the only way he doesn't opt out is if he suffers a severe injury between now and June 30th.

There were rumors last summer that Jeff Green's value on the trade market was actually lower because he could opt out, which if true would certainly mean there are teams happy to pay him $9 million.

[saltlover]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

why stretch Wallace?  what max player would want to join this mess? 

Green will opt out.  look at what similar players like Parsons and Hayward got -- about $15 mill each.  Neither is as athletic as Green.  The only way Green does not opt out is if he thinks becoming a FA the following year when the cap is really expected to jump outweighs getting paid a more money a year sooner.  personally, I don't think he'd make up that difference waiting that extra year

I agree with this regarding Wallace.  Also, with the cap ready to rise dramatically the following year, and with a much larger free agent class, the Celtics will have the cap room to max deals to two free agents who want to pair up.  I'd rather keep all the dollars for 2016, and use the cap space/trade exceptions next summer on whomever net summer's Marcus Thornton is.  With no Rondo, it makes more sense to keep letting the young kids develop and preserve the space for 2016.  Hopefully the youngin's develop enough to be the solid foundation two stars are willing to team up around.  Otherwise, patience.

[bleedGREENdon]

I say this offseason we sign everyone to 1 year deals to just make the cap , wallace will be off the books next offseason and well legit be able to sign about 3 max deals, with Smart, Avery, Kelly still on the roster, would probably have to trade sully and picks for one of those max deals or give sully an extension, I think it'll be option A. Of those two.

Smart
Bradley
Max
Max/ Kelly
Draft Choice or max.

Idk there's a million possibilities that could occur the next few seasons.  All I know is I don't want to spend max money on Monroe this offseason. We have monroe in sully for cheaper.

[colincb]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

why stretch Wallace?  what max player would want to join this mess? 

Green will opt out.  look at what similar players like Parsons and Hayward got -- about $15 mill each.  Neither is as athletic as Green.  The only way Green does not opt out is if he thinks becoming a FA the following year when the cap is really expected to jump outweighs getting paid a more money a year sooner.  personally, I don't think he'd make up that difference waiting that extra year

I agree with this regarding Wallace.  Also, with the cap ready to rise dramatically the following year, and with a much larger free agent class, the Celtics will have the cap room to max deals to two free agents who want to pair up.  I'd rather keep all the dollars for 2016, and use the cap space/trade exceptions next summer on whomever net summer's Marcus Thornton is.  With no Rondo, it makes more sense to keep letting the young kids develop and preserve the space for 2016.  Hopefully the youngin's develop enough to be the solid foundation two stars are willing to team up around.  Otherwise, patience.

Might be 2017 or 2018 before we use that cap (and it's easy to make the minimum cap level with no risk). Danny's going to have so many picks the next 2 years that he'll have to be moving pieces about like crazy.  Tough to develop players that way as last season and this have proven.

Green is gone for whatever Danny can get by the deadline.

[BballTim]

How much cap space are we going to have this summer?  I imagine it depends most heavily on if we are able to dump Jeff Green for an expiring contract and a 2nd rounder, right?

Say we are successful in removing Jeff Green... how much cap space will we have after we use our draft picks?

  Hopefully enough to sign a couple of star players and have enough left over to bring back Rondo, right?

[hwangjini_1]

Can't rule out Danny moving Wallace to a team like Philly. He would have what 1 more year left?

Yeah we could probably move him at the expense of a 1st rounder.   Or we could do a stretch provision on the final year of his deal, right?  What could we get the salary cap hit down to?  Can you stretch the final 10 mil over 3 years so that it goes down to about 3.3 mil... giving us an extra 7.7 mil in cap space??    So instead of 21 mil (without Green) we'd have roughly 30 mil? 

But again... don't max deals start at around 18 mil?   

Also, not sure I agree with the idea that it's a lock that Green will opt out.  9 mil is a lot to pay for guy like him.

i believe the stretch is over 5 years, but i could be wrong. if they stretch wallace his salary would drop to about $2 million. that would save $8 million more in salary. with green gone, it would be enough to a free agent and maybe a trade for a star as well.