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now we see
« on: January 02, 2015, 09:21:55 PM »

Offline pj

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now we see the fruits of labor of ainge. ...! fire ainge! im tired of watching this celtics team. wrap this season up!
and ainge is hoping to land a superstar free agent??? - who will come to boston if you do not value a player? kg gets traded, pierce traded and rondo traded! DANNY "Trader" Ainge should consider that he is living because of the fans! who are going  to watch and pay tickets to watch this celtics team??
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Re: now we see
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2015, 09:25:42 PM »

Offline Chris22

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We had a bad shooting night. So what?

We have six first round picks in the next two years.

Re: now we see
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2015, 09:29:19 PM »

Offline Yoki_IsTheName

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He set the team up to build through the draft. It's really hard to watch this team as it is, if we even call it a team, but we cant judge Ainge just yet until everything he did from here on out turns out well. And by well I mean, we land a player we can build around.

All this sucking and trading away our best players will only be worth taking if we can get our franchise guy as a result. The question is, how long are we giving Danny to get that guy before we can say it's over and time to (and this has been used a lot lately here in SanFran) "mutually part ways"?
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PG: Jrue Holiday / Isaiah Thomas / Larry Hughes
SG: Paul George / Aaron McKie / Bradley Beal
SF: Paul Pierce / Tayshaun Prince / Brian Scalabrine
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Shareef Abdur-Raheem / Ben Simmons
C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace

Re: now we see
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2015, 09:31:22 PM »

Offline piercetruth34

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I don't mind watching guys develop. I think you have to keep that in mind that we are shuffling lineups and have young players that are still developing parts of their game.  Rondo is really good though.  Still feel like we could have made something happen with Rondo and Green but we've decided to go another direction.  At least we picked a direction.

Re: now we see
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2015, 09:31:49 PM »

Offline Yoki_IsTheName

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We had a bad shooting night. So what?

We have six first round picks in the next two years.


And you keep saying that.

Until any or all of those picks turn into a franchise player, they are not a measurement of how good Ainge has been as a GM.

Also, two of those picks may end up in the 20's, which is practically of little value.
2019 CStrong Historical Draft 2000s OKC Thunder.
PG: Jrue Holiday / Isaiah Thomas / Larry Hughes
SG: Paul George / Aaron McKie / Bradley Beal
SF: Paul Pierce / Tayshaun Prince / Brian Scalabrine
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Shareef Abdur-Raheem / Ben Simmons
C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace

Re: now we see
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2015, 09:33:17 PM »

Offline piercetruth34

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Smart is going to be really good.  I like how aggressive he is defensively and bodies guys and he pushes the ball up the floor and doesn't dominate it.  He's still developing.

Re: now we see
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2015, 09:36:52 PM »

Offline Eja117

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We have six first round picks in the next two years.
Whoop de doo

Re: now we see
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2015, 09:47:40 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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now we see the fruits of labor of ainge. ...! fire ainge! im tired of watching this celtics team. wrap this season up!
and ainge is hoping to land a superstar free agent??? - who will come to boston if you do not value a player? kg gets traded, pierce traded and rondo traded! DANNY "Trader" Ainge should consider that he is living because of the fans! who are going  to watch and pay tickets to watch this celtics team??
Pj, you're new so I will not be too hard on you.   

NBA trades aren't necessarily about who gets better in the short-term.  Sometimes, you make moves with a long-term vision in mind.  It's hard to understand for some people.  You don't grade trades in the present unless you have enough perspective to project out the long-term repercussions of the deal.

When Ainge traded KG and Pierce (both capable players who lead us to the playoffs in their final year... then proceeded to lead Brooklyn to the playoffs after we traded them) for nothing but draft picks, it was clearly a short-term win for Brooklyn.  You'd be hard pressed to find anyone with any NBA sense who would call that a 'bad" deal for Boston, though.  We got 5 first round picks out of it.  It was an insane haul for two veteran rentals.

A lot of people are looking at this Rondo trade with amateur goggles on.  "Dallas good... we bad... we not good... trade bad".   

As I said in the other thread...

Mavs were 19-8 before the trade with the highest scoring/most efficient offense in the league

Boston was  9-14 before the trade.

It shouldn't be a major shocker that the mavs are 5-2 since the trade...

It shouldn't be a major shocker that Boston is 2-5 since the trade.

I'm someone who believes the trade didn't make much of a difference for either team.  If anything, we will be slightly better short-term and Dallas will be slightly worse.  Boston's future got a tiny bit brighter by adding a late protected 1st, some tradeable role players and a TPE we might use.  When you consider Rondo was leaving us empty handed at season's end and no other team was willing to give up anything of value for Rondo, that was defensible move that made plenty of sense.   The only criticism you can make is that Ainge maybe should have traded Rondo sooner. 

All that said, it would have been foolish to expect a Boston win tonight based on the deal.  We were a worse team and we are still a worse team.  Why would that trade narrow the gap that much?  We lost our only game against Dallas this year.  We lost both our games against Dallas last year.  In what world does a Dallas win tonight prove the stance that Boston blew that trade?  It doesn't... at all.     

When fans like myself suggest Dallas "didn't get much better", it doesn't mean we expect them to stink.  When I say Boston didn't get much worse, it doesn't mean they should be able to beat playoff teams now.   Think about it.

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2015, 09:50:04 PM »

Offline Scottie

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now we see the fruits of labor of ainge. ...! fire ainge! im tired of watching this celtics team. wrap this season up!
and ainge is hoping to land a superstar free agent??? - who will come to boston if you do not value a player? kg gets traded, pierce traded and rondo traded! DANNY "Trader" Ainge should consider that he is living because of the fans! who are going  to watch and pay tickets to watch this celtics team??

So this means we won't be hearing rom you for a while? Good!

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2015, 09:51:11 PM »

Offline viking

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We would have lost this game even if we kept RR..... we suck for now and the near future until we either luck out in the draft or turn the assets into some big trade like previous eras.
Now is the time that builds your "character" as a fan, and makes the future success all the sweeter when it arrives.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2015, 09:59:52 PM »

Offline Rosco917

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yeah fire Ainge, get rid of everyone... except Tommy.

Re: now we see
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2015, 10:01:05 PM »

Offline Celtics4ever

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I think Ainge has about much chance of being fired as PJ does at becoming a GM in the NBA.


Re: now we see
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2015, 10:04:25 PM »

Offline Chris22

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We had a bad shooting night. So what?

We have six first round picks in the next two years.


And you keep saying that.

Until any or all of those picks turn into a franchise player, they are not a measurement of how good Ainge has been as a GM.

Also, two of those picks may end up in the 20's, which is practically of little value.

Bullsh...

Ellis was the 40th pick in the draft.

Re: now we see
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2015, 10:04:56 PM »

Offline get_banners

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i would have held on to rondo and take our chances with a sign and trade or wait for a better offer pre-trade deadline. i didn't like the return from the mavs then, and i like it less now - brandan wright is a decent role player on a good/great team, and he was the freaking centerpiece. he can't even get much burn here. garbage return. would have preferred keeping rondo and trade him later. i mean, honestly, would the return have been much worse? arguable.

Re: now we see
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2015, 10:05:44 PM »

Offline Eja117

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We had a bad shooting night. So what?

We have six first round picks in the next two years.


And you keep saying that.

Until any or all of those picks turn into a franchise player, they are not a measurement of how good Ainge has been as a GM.

Also, two of those picks may end up in the 20's, which is practically of little value.

Bullsh...

Ellis was picked in the 30's.
and Marcus Banks was picked 13th