We need more assets!!! Let's make some more trades!!!

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Giddens was #30th.

Blaming Ainge on not picking Jimmy Butler, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan is to some degree pretty stupid. Why? Cause if GMs would have known how they develop Ainge wouldnt have had been able to pick them in the first place because they would have been gone allready.

You highlight, IMO, one of Ainge's worst decisions as GM -- he picked Giddens over Jordan, even tho Jordan was clearly the better pick at #30 in the NBA draft. 

I'm a staunch Ainge believer, but I screamed at the TV that night, and it bothers me to this day.

[LooseCannon]

I tend to believe the story that Giddens had a draft promise (not sure if I believe it was given to the player's agent for delivering Posey).  While I may disagree with making the promise, I would want Ainge to be a man and keep his promises.

[Monkhouse]

I tend to believe the story that Giddens had a draft promise (not sure if I believe it was given to the player's agent for delivering Posey).  While I may disagree with making the promise, I would want Ainge to be a man and keep his promises.

Then what about the other players he promised to like Schroeder, for instance?

[hwangjini_1]

Giddens was #30th.

Blaming Ainge on not picking Jimmy Butler, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan is to some degree pretty stupid. Why? Cause if GMs would have known how they develop Ainge wouldnt have had been able to pick them in the first place because they would have been gone allready.

You highlight, IMO, one of Ainge's worst decisions as GM -- he picked Giddens over Jordan, even tho Jordan was clearly the better pick at #30 in the NBA draft. 

I'm a staunch Ainge believer, but I screamed at the TV that night, and it bothers me to this day.

i read later that ainge had explained his pick by saying giddens was supposed more "nba ready" and since the celtics had a VERY small window with the big 3 he wanted to get them some help NOW. jordan was a project he thought.

i understand, but in doing this ainge broke a cardinal rule - always draft the BPA, never draft by team need.

[Beat LA]

Giddens was #30th.

Blaming Ainge on not picking Jimmy Butler, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan is to some degree pretty stupid. Why? Cause if GMs would have known how they develop Ainge wouldnt have had been able to pick them in the first place because they would have been gone allready.

You highlight, IMO, one of Ainge's worst decisions as GM -- he picked Giddens over Jordan, even tho Jordan was clearly the better pick at #30 in the NBA draft. 

I'm a staunch Ainge believer, but I screamed at the TV that night, and it bothers me to this day.

I did as well.  I never dreamed that he would turn out the way that he has, but, at the time, and at the bare minimum, I looked at him as an instant upgrade over Perk.  He was 6'11", only 19-20 years old, a great athlete, had a post move or two (that I saw on a highlight tape, lol), that wingspan, tho , and, perhaps most importantly, his speed would have allowed us to wear guys like Howard and Bynum out.  I couldn't believe that he passed on Wesley Matthews, either. 

[Granath]

Giddens was #30th.

Blaming Ainge on not picking Jimmy Butler, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan is to some degree pretty stupid. Why? Cause if GMs would have known how they develop Ainge wouldnt have had been able to pick them in the first place because they would have been gone allready.

You highlight, IMO, one of Ainge's worst decisions as GM -- he picked Giddens over Jordan, even tho Jordan was clearly the better pick at #30 in the NBA draft. 

I'm a staunch Ainge believer, but I screamed at the TV that night, and it bothers me to this day.

I despise retroactively looking at draft picks because hindsight is 20/20 unless you're talking about a top 10 pick - one that MUST produce a contributor. The way I always view the draft is that a GM should select a very good starter/star in the top 5 and a solid starter/contributor between 6 and 12. Between 12 and 20 it's a role player off the bench. After that, it's a crap shoot.

We love to pick on Danny for Fab Melo, but look at the rest of that draft. It was a very weak draft class after Davis, Lillard and Drummond. After Danny took Sully (#18 and 5th in win shares from that class - a helluva pick) there's only two players worth a hoot (Miles Plumblee @ 26 and Draymond Green @ 35). So frankly there wasn't much left to pick from when he took a flier on Melo.

Giddens was a whiff but then again when you're selecting at #30 your choices are limited. There were a number of good picks post-30 in that draft, but that's pretty rare and look at the guys selected around Giddens - starting with MarShon Brooks at 25 there's only like 1 pick in the next 13 (Jimmy Butler) who would up worth a darn. So there are a lot of teams who passed up Jordan.

I think Danny's biggest miss was in '06 when he passed up Rudy Gay to pick up Randy Foye and then moved him and LaFrentz for Ratliff and Telfair. I can't remember if that was purely a cap move or not, but I remember being pretty p---ed at Danny for that one. Of course, that was the same year he got Phoenix to pick RR for us (for $3m), so I think he made up for it.

[Beat LA]

Giddens was #30th.

Blaming Ainge on not picking Jimmy Butler, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan is to some degree pretty stupid. Why? Cause if GMs would have known how they develop Ainge wouldnt have had been able to pick them in the first place because they would have been gone allready.

You highlight, IMO, one of Ainge's worst decisions as GM -- he picked Giddens over Jordan, even tho Jordan was clearly the better pick at #30 in the NBA draft. 

I'm a staunch Ainge believer, but I screamed at the TV that night, and it bothers me to this day.

i read later that ainge had explained his pick by saying giddens was supposed more "nba ready" and since the celtics had a VERY small window with the big 3 he wanted to get them some help NOW. jordan was a project he thought.

i understand, but in doing this ainge broke a cardinal rule - always draft the BPA, never draft by team need.

Bingo, TP.  Although, you could argue that Jordan would have addressed an obvious deficiency at the center spot, but that's just me, and I've never been a fan of Perk.  We could have been lob city, lol. Ugh.  Oh well, Rondo, Jordan, Matthews, Stephenson, Samuels, Sims, Wroten, and McDaniels - we'll always have 2k, lol.

[Beat LA]

Giddens was #30th.

Blaming Ainge on not picking Jimmy Butler, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan is to some degree pretty stupid. Why? Cause if GMs would have known how they develop Ainge wouldnt have had been able to pick them in the first place because they would have been gone allready.

You highlight, IMO, one of Ainge's worst decisions as GM -- he picked Giddens over Jordan, even tho Jordan was clearly the better pick at #30 in the NBA draft. 

I'm a staunch Ainge believer, but I screamed at the TV that night, and it bothers me to this day.

I despise retroactively looking at draft picks because hindsight is 20/20 unless you're talking about a top 10 pick - one that MUST produce a contributor. The way I always view the draft is that a GM should select a very good starter/star in the top 5 and a solid starter/contributor between 6 and 12. Between 12 and 20 it's a role player off the bench. After that, it's a crap shoot.

We love to pick on Danny for Fab Melo, but look at the rest of that draft. It was a very weak draft class after Davis, Lillard and Drummond. After Danny took Sully (#18 and 5th in win shares from that class - a helluva pick) there's only two players worth a hoot (Miles Plumblee @ 26 and Draymond Green @ 35). So frankly there wasn't much left to pick from when he took a flier on Melo.

Giddens was a whiff but then again when you're selecting at #30 your choices are limited. There were a number of good picks post-30 in that draft, but that's pretty rare and look at the guys selected around Giddens - starting with MarShon Brooks at 25 there's only like 1 pick in the next 13 (Jimmy Butler) who would up worth a [dang].

I think Danny's biggest miss was in '06 when he passed up Rudy Gay to pick up Randy Foye and then moved him and LaFrentz for Ratliff and Telfair. I can't remember if that was purely a cap move or not, but I remember being pretty p---ed at Danny for that one. Of course, that was the same year he got Phoenix to pick RR for us (for $3m), so I think he made up for it.

He would have been 24 by the end of his rookie campaign. No, just, no, lol. You're also forgetting about Mario Chalmers and CDR in 2008, btw. 

[Granath]

Giddens was #30th.

Blaming Ainge on not picking Jimmy Butler, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan is to some degree pretty stupid. Why? Cause if GMs would have known how they develop Ainge wouldnt have had been able to pick them in the first place because they would have been gone allready.

You highlight, IMO, one of Ainge's worst decisions as GM -- he picked Giddens over Jordan, even tho Jordan was clearly the better pick at #30 in the NBA draft. 

I'm a staunch Ainge believer, but I screamed at the TV that night, and it bothers me to this day.

I despise retroactively looking at draft picks because hindsight is 20/20 unless you're talking about a top 10 pick - one that MUST produce a contributor. The way I always view the draft is that a GM should select a very good starter/star in the top 5 and a solid starter/contributor between 6 and 12. Between 12 and 20 it's a role player off the bench. After that, it's a crap shoot.

We love to pick on Danny for Fab Melo, but look at the rest of that draft. It was a very weak draft class after Davis, Lillard and Drummond. After Danny took Sully (#18 and 5th in win shares from that class - a helluva pick) there's only two players worth a hoot (Miles Plumblee @ 26 and Draymond Green @ 35). So frankly there wasn't much left to pick from when he took a flier on Melo.

Giddens was a whiff but then again when you're selecting at #30 your choices are limited. There were a number of good picks post-30 in that draft, but that's pretty rare.

I think Danny's biggest miss was in '06 when he passed up Rudy Gay to pick up Randy Foye and then moved him and LaFrentz for Ratliff and Telfair. I can't remember if that was purely a cap move or not, but I remember being pretty p---ed at Danny for that one. Of course, that was the same year he got Phoenix to pick RR for us (for $3m), so I think he made up for it.

He would have been 24 by the end of his rookie campaign. No, just, no, lol. You're also forgetting about Mario Chalmers and CDR in 2008, btw.

Thanks. I got my years screwed up and edited my post to reflect that. 2008 was a weird year in that there was a lot of talent on the board late in the draft - Chalmers, Pekovic, Jordan, Asik, a Moute and Dragic were all 2nd rounders. Giddens was a pretty rare Ainge miss.

[SHAQATTACK]

Not really..

Just need Danny to make some decent drafting

[Beat LA]

Giddens was #30th.

Blaming Ainge on not picking Jimmy Butler, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan is to some degree pretty stupid. Why? Cause if GMs would have known how they develop Ainge wouldnt have had been able to pick them in the first place because they would have been gone allready.

You highlight, IMO, one of Ainge's worst decisions as GM -- he picked Giddens over Jordan, even tho Jordan was clearly the better pick at #30 in the NBA draft. 

I'm a staunch Ainge believer, but I screamed at the TV that night, and it bothers me to this day.

I despise retroactively looking at draft picks because hindsight is 20/20 unless you're talking about a top 10 pick - one that MUST produce a contributor. The way I always view the draft is that a GM should select a very good starter/star in the top 5 and a solid starter/contributor between 6 and 12. Between 12 and 20 it's a role player off the bench. After that, it's a crap shoot.

We love to pick on Danny for Fab Melo, but look at the rest of that draft. It was a very weak draft class after Davis, Lillard and Drummond. After Danny took Sully (#18 and 5th in win shares from that class - a helluva pick) there's only two players worth a hoot (Miles Plumblee @ 26 and Draymond Green @ 35). So frankly there wasn't much left to pick from when he took a flier on Melo.

Giddens was a whiff but then again when you're selecting at #30 your choices are limited. There were a number of good picks post-30 in that draft, but that's pretty rare.

I think Danny's biggest miss was in '06 when he passed up Rudy Gay to pick up Randy Foye and then moved him and LaFrentz for Ratliff and Telfair. I can't remember if that was purely a cap move or not, but I remember being pretty p---ed at Danny for that one. Of course, that was the same year he got Phoenix to pick RR for us (for $3m), so I think he made up for it.

He would have been 24 by the end of his rookie campaign. No, just, no, lol. You're also forgetting about Mario Chalmers and CDR in 2008, btw.

Thanks. I got my years screwed up and edited my post to reflect that. 2008 was a weird year in that there was a lot of talent on the board late in the draft - Chalmers, Pekovic, Jordan, Asik, a Moute and Dragic were all 2nd rounders. Giddens was a pretty rare Ainge miss.

No problem. I have absolutely no clue as to how or why I remember this stuff, though, lol.

[Beat LA]

Btw, I've never liked calling players 'assets.'  It just gives off the wrong impression to me, but that's just my opinion.  So, are we talking about contracts and draft picks, or dudes who might as well live out of a trailer for two weeks before Ainge trades them again, lol? Ugh.  I've said it once and I'll say it again - it looks like everyone is already ready to flip.  That.  Asset, lol.

[Granath]

Not really..

Just need Danny to make some decent drafting

Well, you're in luck because his batting average has been pretty good.

[e4sym0de]

I think we allready have tons off assets. What we need to do is package our quaters to somehow find a dollar.

[guava_wrench]

I think we allready have tons off assets. What we need to do is package our quaters to somehow find a dollar.

We can still collect until the summer. By the summer, we need to start packaging assets unless we are going into sixers mode by no signing any vets and just playing the season with our young guys and rookies.