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Does it bother anyone else?
« on: December 18, 2014, 11:45:17 PM »

Offline piercetruth34

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That ainge and rondo were sitting up there at the beginning of the  year and that Ainge has been saying that it was his intent to build with Rajon longterm?  Ainge countless times preached his committment to him and RAjon to us. I understand trades happen and that trading a player is always possible but seems to me like this deal was the best we could do in ways and the decision was made to move him.

I'm not someone who thinks we had to get a great return either.  I think it was more a decision to trade him or not.  I think if we are building with the young guys getting some roleplayers to help them and going the draft route and acquiring picks and lesser contracts was the way to go to get those other pieces anyways.

Not someone to be bothered by that either.  What's done is done but I just find that a bit weird.  Thing is i agreed with ainge all along that we didn't need to move him or be forced into that and it was really their call whether to do that or not and be committed in the interm.  Never was against moving him either overly.  Just more let the celtics and rondo make that decision ultimately.

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 11:56:19 PM »

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You'll hear a lot of people saying that's part of his job but it's been the worst kept secret we've been shopping Rondo for a long time.  it does hurt a little to know when your team management is being disingenuous and even though it's part of the game they play to preserve a guys value and not in effect call the the vultures out. didn't work though did it? we still got a flaming pile for rondo despite efforts like the one you mention to suggest we really y didn't want to trade him, nobody believed it

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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2014, 12:00:56 AM »

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You'll hear a lot of people saying that's part of his job but it's been the worst kept secret we've been shopping Rondo for a long time.  it does hurt a little to know when your team management is being disingenuous and even though it's part of the game they play to preserve a guys value and not in effect call the the vultures out. didn't work though did it? we still got a flaming pile for rondo despite efforts like the one you mention to suggest we really y didn't want to trade him, nobody believed it

This is where the media and rumors aren't really good or in the celtics best interest.   I used to get mad at that stuff because I'm a celtics fan myself and it's like what good does that do?  It's a distraction.   Seems selfish to me.  I'm not a huge fan of the media in general. They talk to hear themselves speak.

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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2014, 12:05:15 AM »

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That ainge and rondo were sitting up there at the beginning of the  year and that Ainge has been saying that it was his intent to build with Rajon longterm?  Ainge countless times preached his committment to him and RAjon to us. I understand trades happen and that trading a player is always possible but seems to me like this deal was the best we could do in ways and the decision was made to move him.

I'm not someone who thinks we had to get a great return either.  I think it was more a decision to trade him or not.  I think if we are building with the young guys getting some roleplayers to help them and going the draft route and acquiring picks and lesser contracts was the way to go to get those other pieces anyways.

Not someone to be bothered by that either.  What's done is done but I just find that a bit weird.  Thing is i agreed with ainge all along that we didn't need to move him or be forced into that and it was really their call whether to do that or not and be committed in the interm.  Never was against moving him either overly.  Just more let the celtics and rondo make that decision ultimately.

I'm sorry if you ever believed a word that came out of Danny's mouth.  This is a guy who lied to Antoine's MOTHER about never trading her son.  He's a tool.

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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2014, 12:08:31 AM »

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That ainge and rondo were sitting up there at the beginning of the  year and that Ainge has been saying that it was his intent to build with Rajon longterm?  Ainge countless times preached his committment to him and RAjon to us. I understand trades happen and that trading a player is always possible but seems to me like this deal was the best we could do in ways and the decision was made to move him.

I'm not someone who thinks we had to get a great return either.  I think it was more a decision to trade him or not.  I think if we are building with the young guys getting some roleplayers to help them and going the draft route and acquiring picks and lesser contracts was the way to go to get those other pieces anyways.

Not someone to be bothered by that either.  What's done is done but I just find that a bit weird.  Thing is i agreed with ainge all along that we didn't need to move him or be forced into that and it was really their call whether to do that or not and be committed in the interm.  Never was against moving him either overly.  Just more let the celtics and rondo make that decision ultimately.

I'm sorry if you ever believed a word that came out of Danny's mouth.  This is a guy who lied to Antoine's MOTHER about never trading her son.  He's a tool.

 I think what ainge would say was right though and made sense.  THat whole thing where he was like people talk about how rondo is the elephant int he room and ainge was like he's also our best player.    I think he was just saying you don't just dump a player like that without going through the process of it.

The media and stuff kind of portrayed rondo in the wrong way like he was this huge problem here.  He wasn't.

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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2014, 12:09:10 AM »

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But they were correct. For the simple fact that when you look objectively at the two bench players the Celtics got in return for a very unique and valuable skill set Rondo brings, Ainge  must have exhausted all other options first right?  None of this is unexpected, only disappointing.  Rondo showed us that when surrounded with good talent he elevates his game and the game of those he plays with, providing that mavs far more value than we got back

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That ainge and rondo were sitting up there at the beginning of the  year and that Ainge has been saying that it was his intent to build with Rajon longterm?  Ainge countless times preached his committment to him and RAjon to us. I understand trades happen and that trading a player is always possible but seems to me like this deal was the best we could do in ways and the decision was made to move him.

I'm not someone who thinks we had to get a great return either.  I think it was more a decision to trade him or not.  I think if we are building with the young guys getting some roleplayers to help them and going the draft route and acquiring picks and lesser contracts was the way to go to get those other pieces anyways.

Not someone to be bothered by that either.  What's done is done but I just find that a bit weird.  Thing is i agreed with ainge all along that we didn't need to move him or be forced into that and it was really their call whether to do that or not and be committed in the interm.  Never was against moving him either overly.  Just more let the celtics and rondo make that decision ultimately.

I'm sorry if you ever believed a word that came out of Danny's mouth.  This is a guy who lied to Antoine's MOTHER about never trading her son.  He's a tool.

No he is not. He is a great GM.

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2014, 12:10:28 AM »

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They could very easily have been committed to building around Rondo when they had that press conference, and decided otherwise mid-season.

Not that it matters either way.


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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2014, 12:11:11 AM »

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But they were correct. For the simple fact that when you look objectively at the two bench players the Celtics got in return for a very unique and valuable skill set Rondo brings, Ainge  must have exhausted all other options first right?  None of this is unexpected, only disappointing.  Rondo showed us that when surrounded with good talent he elevates his game and the game of those he plays with, providing that mavs far more value than we got back

The media and stuff kind of portrayed rondo in the wrong way imo like he was this huge problem here.  He wasn't.  I think it was more ainge saying you guys want me to trade rondo at the drop of a hat and rondo's this that and this, he was basically saying it doesn't work like that.

I more blame the media in that regard because what good does trashing rondo do?  Do people really believe rondo was this huge issue?  If i was rondo and knew the team wasn't fully committed it just makes it even more difficult.  I don't blame rondo for that.  The guy wants to play and win and be in a situation where he is wanted and rightfully so.

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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2014, 12:12:22 AM »

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I still don't understand this strategy by Ainge though lol. What a guy

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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2014, 12:20:13 AM »

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Where I'm coming from I try to respect the team i root for and listen to what they are trying to do and respect all the players on the team.  I just think as a fan of the team that's what I do.  I also wouldn't say never say never to any trade and would try to do what I feel is best for the celtics.  I try to tell it like it is. If a guy doesn't fit or isn't playing well I'll say that too. Stuff like that is just confusing sometiems. I get mad at the media and everything sometimes.  So did Ainge at times.  It's just confusing because hard to know what the truth is there.  I usually agree with what ainge says and feel the same way with the rumors and stuff like that. It's annoying.

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I still don't understand this strategy by Ainge though lol. What a guy

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2014, 12:32:38 AM »

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I posted this on an another thread, and will just post it again.

A friend of mine from the Philippines made a pretty good argument on Facebook about Boston and Free Agents and I kind of agree. There's no loyalty with Danny Ainge, he will move you if he see's fit to his plans. And he said that that's one more reason why Boston can't attract Free Agents, other than the other factors.

I mean, I agree. Being disingenuous and lack of loyalty will scare off talent. It does bother me, now that you mention it.
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2014, 12:34:39 AM »

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I posted this on an another thread, and will just post it again.

A friend of mine from the Philippines made a pretty good argument on Facebook about Boston and Free Agents and I kind of agree. There's no loyalty with Danny Ainge, he will move you if he see's fit to his plans. And he said that that's one more reason why Boston can't attract Free Agents, other than the other factors.

I mean, I agree. Being disingenuous and lack of loyalty will scare off talent. It does bother me, now that you mention it.

I don't think that holds at all. Ainge has always traded his star players to good situations. He sent Perkins to a contender, he sent Garnett and Pierce to a contender (well, we thought they'd be one at the time), he sent Rondo to a contender.

If anything that shows a great deal of loyalty and a concern for his players.


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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2014, 12:37:10 AM »

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I think it's a new england sports team. Every one of our teams gms or coaches have backed a certain player and said they aren't going nowhere next thing you know they are released or traded.  This has got to be by far the worst trade I've witnessed in a long time. There was obviously alot going on behind closed doors.  There is no kg ray allen tandem walking through that door. We don't even have a pierce to try n start a new one. We are doomed and just got set back so many more years. Good luck to us.