What should Danny offer Rondo this off-season?

[fantankerous]

I support Rondo getting as much as he can. 

[apc]

Lowry agreed to 12 million a year deal (4 years at 48 million)

Should Rondo get more than Lowry? Should Rondo get paid more than Parker?

Or should Rondo get "stupid" overpaid like Deron Williams?

Agree, 10-12 a year based on what better PG are getting paid.
less based on his current production.

[TwinTower14]

Since Rondo has come back from his injury - the team has 13 wins and 38 loses in games he has played....so there's that...

[D.o.s.]

It depends, I think, on what everyone else is willing to offer him. I think Rondo should get a raise, mostly because I believe in rewarding loyalty and also because of the rising cap, but I don't think he should be getting his full max -- unless the Celtics' finance guys determine that even a max deal (which would start at ~17/year and cap off year five at around $20, IIRC) won't be all that detrimental to their cap space.

[littleteapot]

Do people think a 5 year deal with a submax value per year is a good deal for us (like I think 5/75 was proposed by someone)? Do you think Rondo takes it?

I would honestly say no and no. I think the extra year to a guard who has never shown any shooting potential will almost definitely be a complete waste, and if I'm Rondo, I can make that much money in 4 years somewhere else and see what happens in the 5th.

[Chris22]

Let Rondo go to the Lakers or the Globetrotters.

[Vermont Green]

I think fair market value for him is 14 a year(if you look around the league at the salaries of other point guards). However, since other teams will probably bid against us I would go as high as 16 a year

If Rondo would have accepted the maximum allowable off season extension, it would have added 3 years for total $44.8 million on to his current $13.9 final year resulting in a total of 4 years at $58.7M.  I guess 4 years and $58.7M was not enough and he decided to risk injury and poor play (diminished value) to go for something better.

At this point, I don't know which will be worse, seeing Rondo walk for nothing or overpaying on a 5 year deal.  That is why I favor trading him.  If he reaches FA, 3 things can happen and two of them are bad (the two bad things being losing him for nothing and over paying).

[Eja117]

Considering M Smart hasn't done much except get hurt I'd say he definitely gets a raise, but probably not max.

[Rosco917]

A team friendly, reasonable contract, or let him shop around. With most teams having solid point guards in the league, the position will be easier to fill with a trade or draft pick.

[D.o.s.]

Busy right now, so if anyone could run the numbers on Rondo's max deal that'd be killer -- always better to use real numbers instead of "the max."

He's eligible for 30% of the cap in his first year of the deal (aka next season), which is ~$17,695,000, with a 7.5% raise on the first year added each season (so he's getting a 1,327,125 raise each season at the most).

I can do the math in a hot minute, but deadlines call.

[Fafnir]

I think fair market value for him is 14 a year(if you look around the league at the salaries of other point guards). However, since other teams will probably bid against us I would go as high as 16 a year

If Rondo would have accepted the maximum allowable off season extension, it would have added 3 years for total $44.8 million on to his current $13.9 final year resulting in a total of 4 years at $58.7M.  I guess 4 years and $58.7M was not enough and he decided to risk injury and poor play (diminished value) to go for something better.

At this point, I don't know which will be worse, seeing Rondo walk for nothing or overpaying on a 5 year deal.  That is why I favor trading him.  If he reaches FA, 3 things can happen and two of them are bad (the two bad things being losing him for nothing and over paying).

4 years and 58.7 million isn't accurate. He's already getting the $13.9 million for this year, the extension doesn't "add" that.

Rondo said he didn't want a 3 year extension worth 14.93 million per year on  average deal, so the C's are going to have to commit more than 44.8 million to keep him in all odds.

[Fafnir]

Busy right now, so if anyone could run the numbers on Rondo's max deal that'd be killer -- always better to use real numbers instead of "the max."

He's eligible for 30% of the cap in his first year of the deal (aka next season), which is ~$17,695,000, with a 7.5% raise on the first year added each season (so he's getting a 1,327,125 raise each season at the most).

I can do the math in a hot minute, but deadlines call.

The cap next year is expected to be roughly 66.3M.

So 30% of that is 19.89M with raises of 1.492M. A max deal for Rondo would therefore be:

1. 19.89
2. 21.38
3. 22.87
4. 24.36
5. 25.86
Total of 114.36M

[Evantime34]

Busy right now, so if anyone could run the numbers on Rondo's max deal that'd be killer -- always better to use real numbers instead of "the max."

He's eligible for 30% of the cap in his first year of the deal (aka next season), which is ~$17,695,000, with a 7.5% raise on the first year added each season (so he's getting a 1,327,125 raise each season at the most).

I can do the math in a hot minute, but deadlines call.

The cap next year is expected to be roughly 66.3M.

So 30% of that is 19.89M with raises of 1.492M. A max deal for Rondo would therefore be:

1. 19.89
2. 21.38
3. 22.87
4. 24.36
5. 25.86
Total of 114.36M

After reading this and remembering both Danny and Rondo have mentioned the max I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[Moranis]

4 years in the 50-60 million range depending on how the rest of the year shakes out.

[saltlover]

Busy right now, so if anyone could run the numbers on Rondo's max deal that'd be killer -- always better to use real numbers instead of "the max."

He's eligible for 30% of the cap in his first year of the deal (aka next season), which is ~$17,695,000, with a 7.5% raise on the first year added each season (so he's getting a 1,327,125 raise each season at the most).

I can do the math in a hot minute, but deadlines call.

I already posted them earlier.  A max deal, assuming about a 5% increase in the salary cap, will start near $19 million, with raises near $900k for other teams trying to sign him.  So about 4 years, $82 million.  Someone will offer that, guaranteed.  Celtics can offer significantly more, although I don't think they should need to offer more than an option year for year 5.

The caveat is that's assuming about a 5% increase in the cap, which is in line with expectations if they do not stagger in the revenue from the new TV deal a year early.  The TV deal could raise the cap by about 40% in two years from where it is now.  If they do include some of the new money (which would require negotiations from the players association), the cap could rise up to about 20%, which would greatly alter the landscape, as max deals would be more, but likely a few more teams would have money to spend.

If the cap doesn't include any of the new TV money until 2016, the Celtics should just keep Rondo at the max.  In 2016, his contract would be for $20 million against a cap near $90 million, which would be the equivalent of a $14 million salary against today's $63 million cap.  In 2017, the players will opt out of the CBA and likely get a larger share of revenue split, thus increasing the cap again.  A max deal next year might be a bit of an overpay, but the rest of the years it will be a relative bargain.