On pace for 27 wins, Just sell baby!

[GreenWarrior]

I honestly don't see how anyone can be tied down to any one player on this team. all I see with this team is a collection of role players, contracts, and draft picks.

there's not one player on this team worth building around. not Rondo, not Green, not Olynyk, not Sully, not even Smart.

this team needs 3 all star caliber players to be relevant again no matter who is or isn't on this team currently.

[CFAN38]

Irresponsible to trade Rondo just to trade him if by doing so you pick up a contract that extends past this offseason. We'd need at least a lotto pick or a good young player in return to make it worthwhile.

Same goes for Green, though I'd say any first would make it worthwhile in his case.

As for Bass, I'd just let him expire unless some miracle offer like Thornton-Zeller-1st for a second rounder falls in Danny's lap.

Me thinks this trade makes tons of sense:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kubsz2d

BOS trades: Rajon Rondo
BOS receives: The JET, Kostas Papanikolaou, NOP 1st rounder

HOU trades: The JET, Kostas Papanikolaou, NOP 1st rounder

I roughly agree with this trade, I would hope to see something more along these lines

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luq8gzf

(trade works with daniels included after the 15th to 76esr )with the Cs receiving the NO pick

I also do not think its irresponsible for the Cs to take on contracts that run past the next off-season. If Rondo is moved the idea of a quick FA based rebuild is out the window. In that case taking on 2-3 year deals (like DA did with Wallace) is not a terrible move. A potential target for this would be freeing NO of Gordon's contract and being compensated to do so. This would be complicated by the above trade as the Cs would lose incentive to help NOs with season. I think a key with this is to not bring in Vets who will be a detriment to team chemistry and the development of our youth.   

[TheFlex]

Irresponsible to trade Rondo just to trade him if by doing so you pick up a contract that extends past this offseason. We'd need at least a lotto pick or a good young player in return to make it worthwhile.

Same goes for Green, though I'd say any first would make it worthwhile in his case.

As for Bass, I'd just let him expire unless some miracle offer like Thornton-Zeller-1st for a second rounder falls in Danny's lap.

Me thinks this trade makes tons of sense:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kubsz2d

BOS trades: Rajon Rondo
BOS receives: The JET, Kostas Papanikolaou, NOP 1st rounder

HOU trades: The JET, Kostas Papanikolaou, NOP 1st rounder

I roughly agree with this trade, I would hope to see something more along these lines

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=luq8gzf

(trade works with daniels included after the 15th to 76esr )with the Cs receiving the NO pick

I also do not think its irresponsible for the Cs to take on contracts that run past the next off-season. If Rondo is moved the idea of a quick FA based rebuild is out the window. In that case taking on 2-3 year deals (like DA did with Wallace) is not a terrible move. A potential target for this would be freeing NO of Gordon's contract and being compensated to do so. This would be complicated by the above trade as the Cs would lose incentive to help NOs with season. I think a key with this is to not bring in Vets who will be a detriment to team chemistry and the development of our youth.

I said it was irresponsible if we didn't get a lotto pick or good young player, so I agree with you.

[GreenWarrior]

I think Rondo isn't getting traded and isn't getting re-signed. we're letting him walk.

I don't think there are teams willing to trade anything for Rondo because our asking price is too much(for good reason too, we should get something in return for him).

and we're not re-signing him because what's the point of matching someone's offer after not being able to acquire players like Love this past off-season?

I just don't think we want anything more to do with him and we could use the "we didn't want match so n' so's offer" as an excuse to be done with him without actually saying we don't want you any more and getting something out of him while he is still here. 

[Rondo9]

I think Rondo isn't getting traded and isn't getting re-signed. we're letting him walk.

I don't think there are teams willing to trade anything for Rondo because our asking price is too much(for good reason too, we should get something in return for him).

and we're not re-signing him because what's the point of matching someone's offer after not being able to acquire players like Love this past off-season?

I just don't think we want anything more to do with him and we could use the "we didn't want match so n' so's offer" as an excuse to be done with him without actually saying we don't want you any more and getting something out of him while he is still here.

I think Danny wants to keep Rondo rather than face a long rebuild without him.

[freshinthehouse]

As for tanking for a better draft pick have we not learned that doesn't work yet? I mean this is like watching congress try to deregulate wall street again like the crash didn't happen 6 years ago?

San Antonio has five championship rings that would say otherwise.

[Rondo9]

As for tanking for a better draft pick have we not learned that doesn't work yet? I mean this is like watching congress try to deregulate wall street again like the crash didn't happen 6 years ago?

San Antonio has five championship rings that would say otherwise.

Yeah and it took extreme luck to get Duncan, something the Celtics lack.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I mean, look at our cap. 

At the end of this season, Rondo, Thorton, Bass, Bynum and probably Green are expiring.  At the end of next season, Wallace, Turner, Vitor, Zeller, Sully, Pressey & Powell will be expiring or on new deals.  We will have tens of millions to offer and there will be a lot of big name free agents available.

We just got two very good looking 1st rounders last year (Smart & Young), we're getting two more first rounders this year and three next year (Cle, Brook & our own).  If we are going to make a big move, it will be at the end of this season or next season.  The whole series of moves Ainge has done make that crystal clear.  Avery Bradley at $32m for 4 years is our biggest guarantee right now. 

Just settle in and enjoy that we at least have an entertaining to watch tank job team this year instead of a middling one like we had last year.

[freshinthehouse]

As for tanking for a better draft pick have we not learned that doesn't work yet? I mean this is like watching congress try to deregulate wall street again like the crash didn't happen 6 years ago?

San Antonio has five championship rings that would say otherwise.

Yeah and it took extreme luck to get Duncan, something the Celtics lack.

Luck is a sham.  The Celtics are no more or less likely than any other team to win the lottery in their given slot.  The more you lose, the better your odds it's that simple.

Celtics fans think the C's have bad luck because they have delusional hopes about winning the draft every time they are in the lottery.  And when that one in a million shot doesn't come through, they assume the C's got screwed.

[Rondo9]

As for tanking for a better draft pick have we not learned that doesn't work yet? I mean this is like watching congress try to deregulate wall street again like the crash didn't happen 6 years ago?

San Antonio has five championship rings that would say otherwise.

Yeah and it took extreme luck to get Duncan, something the Celtics lack.

Luck is a sham.  The Celtics are no more or less likely than any other team to win the lottery in their given slot.  The more you lose, the better your odds it's that simple.

Celtics fans think the C's have bad luck because they have delusional hopes about winning the draft every time they are in the lottery.  And when that one in a million shot doesn't come through, they assume the C's got screwed.

They did have a chance to win last year but it went to a team that had a better record than them I'm not one for relying on Lottery luck to lead me to the promised land

[gpap]

I like how we already tanked last season, and now both of our players we drafted last summer are down with injuries.

Some people are gluttons for punishment.

[chambers]

As for tanking for a better draft pick have we not learned that doesn't work yet? I mean this is like watching congress try to deregulate wall street again like the crash didn't happen 6 years ago?

San Antonio has five championship rings that would say otherwise.

Yeah and it took extreme luck to get Duncan, something the Celtics lack.

But to win a championship you need luck.
You can't win one without an insane amount of luck.
At least with these draft picks and lottery draws we are collecting valuable assets AND putting ourselves in a better mathematical position to get lucky.

It amazes me that some fans would rather finish 10th place in the East, rather than 14th or 15th in the East with a top 6 pick.

Making the lottery isn't just about hoping for that number one pick. It's about the 4th, 5th or 6th  pick and how much value that has versus a 12th or 13th pick after finishing in no man's land.
What would we have accomplished last season if we'd finished 4 spots higher?

Hypothetically if the Knicks do decide to move Carmelo Anthony- are they more likely to want a 4th or 5th pick and Kelly Olynyk?
Or are they more likely to want a 12th pick and Kelly Olynyk?

Mediocrity is the dumbest form of general management in basketball, and Danny Ainge certainly isn't dumb.

[TheFlex]

As for tanking for a better draft pick have we not learned that doesn't work yet? I mean this is like watching congress try to deregulate wall street again like the crash didn't happen 6 years ago?

San Antonio has five championship rings that would say otherwise.

Yeah and it took extreme luck to get Duncan, something the Celtics lack.

It takes more luck to tread water and add stars to your team before your single star gets too old.

[rondohondo]

As for tanking for a better draft pick have we not learned that doesn't work yet? I mean this is like watching congress try to deregulate wall street again like the crash didn't happen 6 years ago?

San Antonio has five championship rings that would say otherwise.

Yeah and it took extreme luck to get Duncan, something the Celtics lack.

But to win a championship you need luck.
You can't win one without an insane amount of luck.
At least with these draft picks and lottery draws we are collecting valuable assets AND putting ourselves in a better mathematical position to get lucky.

It amazes me that some fans would rather finish 10th place in the East, rather than 14th or 15th in the East with a top 6 pick.

Making the lottery isn't just about hoping for that number one pick. It's about the 4th, 5th or 6th  pick and how much value that has versus a 12th or 13th pick after finishing in no man's land.
What would we have accomplished last season if we'd finished 4 spots higher?

Hypothetically if the Knicks do decide to move Carmelo Anthony- are they more likely to want a 4th or 5th pick and Kelly Olynyk?
Or are they more likely to want a 12th pick and Kelly Olynyk?

Mediocrity is the dumbest form of general management in basketball, and Danny Ainge certainly isn't dumb.

TP

We need assets now , we don't need to be fighting for the 8th spot in the playoffs to get swept in the 1st rd . Say we got another top 5 pick. Don't you think we could land a big fish by having a # 6 pick (smart ) and another top 5 pick ? It just gives us more ammo to get real talent in here . We are in collecting assets phase, no need for a hopeless playoff run this year .

We have cap space opening up and with Smart and another top 5 pick we may be able to get a few all-stars in here .

[slamtheking]

Except for Rondo,don't trade him  only if we get a good return

The C's are currently in 9th place in the lottery, but only 2 and a half games out of the # 4 spot currently held by Minny .

10- Orl
9- Boston
8 - Indy
7- Char
6-  Utah
5- LAL
4- Minny
3- NYK
2- Det
1- Philly           

I think if we don't make any moves we probably finish around #7or 8 in the lottery.  only philly is appreciably worse than the C's in terms of talent. 

Don't think we are catching the top 3, but we could get into the top 5 if we sold on Green and Bass while their value is relatively high.  Especially with Green likely getting a pay praise next off-season.

Something like

Bos sends: Green , Bass, Vitor , clips pick
Chi sends: Taj Gibson, McDermott, Dunleavy(exp)

We get Taj Gibson locked up for 4 years at 8 mil per, get a rookie with potential in McDermott . We also likely fall deeper in the lottery , possibly top 5.

Chicago get a pretty big upgrade at sf and Bass who is a good piece coming off the bench playing next to either Pau or Noah. Also a draft pick

I don't think there's a need to trade to get worse.  Indy, Knicks, Detroit and Charlotte have the talent to pass us.  Utah, Minny and Lakers will end up with similar records as us.    We'll have a top 5 pick in this draft without having to make another move.