Lowe/Simmons on Rondo and the C's

[fairweatherfan]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

Normally that would be bad, but Rondo ($12.9 m), Thorton ($9 m), Bynum ($2.9 m) and Bass ($6.9 m) - not mentioning about $4 of contracts we can decline, would be about $31.7 - $35 m off the books this season.

Here are the free agents: LBJ, Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kahwi Leonard, Marc Gasol, Tim Duncan, Goran Dragic, Dwayne Wade, DeAndre Jordan, Brook Lopez, Big Al, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Monta Ellis, Paul Millsap, Roy Hibbert, Luol Deng, Brandon Knight, Afflalo, David West, Omer Asik, Thaddeus Young, Wesley Matthews, Tobias Harris, Eric Gordon, Patrick Beverely, Tyson Chandler, Robin Lopez, Jamal Crawford, Mozgov, Gerald Green, Enes Kanter, Gerald Henderson, Paul Pierce, Teletovic, Gary Neal......

I mean if Smart is looking good, we will have lots of cap room and assets for sign and trades.

Wow. Even though many of those players won't move, that's an impressive list.


I was wondering why some people were okay with rondo just walking, but we could get a few really good players.


Hibbert and jimmy butler? I'd be happy if we could pull that off.


Did your cap space calculation include Green potentially opting out? I think he will if he keeps playing like this the rest of the season

LBJ signed a 2 year deal no? He isn't a FA this season? right?

Year 2 is a player option, so he could be.  It probably depends on exactly how the cap increase gets phased in.  I believe that's true of Love as well.

[TwinTower14]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

Has it ever crossed your mind that they don't want him? Doesn't matter who will sign him, it won't be the C's. His fate was sealed when Smart was drafted.

[D.o.s.]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

Worth pointing out, though -- the Laker's max is significantly less than ours. It's the Melo Chicago phenomenon.

[Celtics18]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

Has it ever crossed your mind that they don't want him? Doesn't matter who will sign him, it won't be the C's. His fate was sealed when Smart was drafted.

This is an absolute text book case of you projecting your own feelings onto those of Danny Ainge.

[Eddie20]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

Worth pointing out, though -- the Laker's max is significantly less than ours. It's the Melo Chicago phenomenon.

That's a scary proposition. Not only is Rondo not worth the max, but giving him an extra year would be insane and likely isn't going to happen.

[Celtics18]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

Worth pointing out, though -- the Laker's max is significantly less than ours. It's the Melo Chicago phenomenon.

I'm fairly sure that I've read that the max we can pay him is roughly $100million over five years.

What is the max he can get elsewhere, like say, New York or LA? 

[rondohondo]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

Worth pointing out, though -- the Laker's max is significantly less than ours. It's the Melo Chicago phenomenon.

I'm fairly sure that I've read that the max we can pay him is roughly $100million over five years.

What is the max he can get elsewhere, like say, New York or LA?

I think 15 mil a year for 4 years, so 60 mil ? maybe slightly more with annual raises , not sure about it though.

[Celtics18]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

What is it that indicates to you that "the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not."?

You're going to have to help me here.  This makes absolutely zero sense. 

[greece66]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

What is it that indicates to you that "the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not."?

You're going to have to help me here.  This makes absolutely zero sense.

Sir, Rondology has now blossomed into abstract art, a self-referential literary genre of its own kind. Good luck to you if you decide to approach it with reason.

[PickNRoll]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

What is it that indicates to you that "the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not."?

You're going to have to help me here.  This makes absolutely zero sense.

There's a lot of speculation going on but, in general, the Lakers aren't afraid to open up the pocketbook, they historically attract high-profile free agents, Rondo is a good fit on paper (especially in Byron Scott's "no threes" offense, haha), Rondo and Kobe seem to get along (not a foregone conclusion for either guy).  If I were the Lakers GM, I'd throw the farm at Rondo, unless they're looking to bottom out even harder.

[celticsclay]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

[Quetzalcoatl]

What is it that indicates to you that "the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not."?

You're going to have to help me here.  This makes absolutely zero sense.

Here is a potential reason:



Here is another point:



That is to give Kobe like 35% of the Laker's total payroll to Kobe

[BitterJim]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

Worth pointing out, though -- the Laker's max is significantly less than ours. It's the Melo Chicago phenomenon.

I'm fairly sure that I've read that the max we can pay him is roughly $100 million over five years.

What is the max he can get elsewhere, like say, New York or LA?

I think 15 mil a year for 4 years, so 60 mil ? maybe slightly more with annual raises , not sure about it though.

The max for a player with Rondo's experience signing w/out bird rights this season is $17.7 million (with 5% raises).  Depending on how the cap gets raised, it could be a little or a lot higher, without a rise it would be about $76.3 million over 4 years

Boston could offer $79 million over 4 years or $103 million over 5

Disclaimer:  these are my own quick calculations based on http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[Celtics18]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

Worth pointing out, though -- the Laker's max is significantly less than ours. It's the Melo Chicago phenomenon.

I'm fairly sure that I've read that the max we can pay him is roughly $100million over five years.

What is the max he can get elsewhere, like say, New York or LA?

I think 15 mil a year for 4 years, so 60 mil ? maybe slightly more with annual raises , not sure about it though.

That can't be right?  Is that really all that another team can pay Rondo?  If so, I don't see what all the bellyaching is about.  I also don't see any reason we would need to pay him a honey mill to keep him if the competition can only offer him sixty.

[Celtics18]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

Worth pointing out, though -- the Laker's max is significantly less than ours. It's the Melo Chicago phenomenon.

I'm fairly sure that I've read that the max we can pay him is roughly $100 million over five years.

What is the max he can get elsewhere, like say, New York or LA?

I think 15 mil a year for 4 years, so 60 mil ? maybe slightly more with annual raises , not sure about it though.

The max for a player with Rondo's experience signing w/out bird rights this season is $17.7 million (with 5% raises).  Depending on how the cap gets raised, it could be a little or a lot higher, without a rise it would be about $76.3 million over 4 years

Boston could offer $79 million over 4 years or $103 million over 5

Disclaimer:  these are my own quick calculations based on http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Thanks and TP.