Lowe/Simmons on Rondo and the C's

[rondohondo]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

[LarBrd33]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I'm not going to sit here and be one of those fans who says "Boston can't sign free agents".  Truthfully, we don't know... since I dont' think there has ever been a time in our history that we've actually had the max cap space to sign a free agent.  So who knows. 

But traditionally, Boston hasn't been a player in free agency (which again... is because we never have cap space).   So even if the Knicks/Lakers look down in the dumps now, they are still two premiere big market franchises with more cap space than us this summer and thus are in a better position to add Rondo + another star to make it a viable situation. 

Both the Knicks/Lakers have incompetent management as well... so the idea of them dumping a ton of money into an overrated PG is more plausible than Boston doing it with a serviceable young already waiting in the wings (Smart).

Most likely scenario is Rondo signing elsewhere. 

[GratefulCs]

Absolutely LOVE that GIF.


Close overtime game..  Larry David probably just wants it to end to get out of there


I'm sure most of us feel similarly toward the Rondo issue.  Can't wait to either sign him or let him go (or trade him).


Just want to get out of this situation and be done with it

[Eddie20]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Money is cliche? A lot of cliche signings seem to occur then.

[CFAN38]

Absolutely LOVE that GIF.


Close overtime game..  Larry David probably just wants it to end to get out of there


I'm sure most of us feel similarly toward the Rondo issue.  Can't wait to either sign him or let him go (or trade him).


Just want to get out of this situation and be done with it

I agree

[rondohondo]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Money is cliche? A lot of cliche signings seem to occur then.

Guess Dwight felt the same way when he went to Hou for less money ?

[Boris Badenov]

*Rondo trade idea, Bargnani (expiring) and 1st rd pick (2015) for Rondo and LAC 1st rd pick (2015). Neither thinks Knicks would do it.

explains how bad the Knicks really are, all the way up the organization. Not only is this a ridiculous trade idea but to suggest they wouldn't do it? Crazyyy

He was basically saying that Rondo's value is very limited because he's expiring and the Knicks have no interest in winning this year.

If I understand things, it seems like the Knicks' tradeoff is this: with no trade the Knicks head into the summer with the ability to sign Rondo outright and with a top-10 pick to offer in trade for another good player. But, they will have to renounce Stoudemire who is playing well.

If they trade for Rondo they would then retain Bird rights on both AS and RR. Re-signing both (or sign and trades?) is a possibility.

I question whether the Knicks would pay a top-10 pick just to retain Bird rights on those guys, since in RR's case those rights are probably irrelevant (he's not getting the max), and a top-10 pick might well fetch back someone better than Amare, particularly when paired with other assets.

[BballTim]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

we won't give him a max deal though

  How much will we give him?

[TheFlex]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Um... no they're not? Nothing indicates Danny thinks Rondo is a max player. If he did we would've have made moves to become a playoff team this season, as I said yesterday.

Everything indicates the Lakers will throw the max at Rondo whether they think he's worth it or not.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "weak" or "cliche." Maybe it's "cliche" to you because more and more people are starting to believe this is the reality of the situation and repeating it.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

Normally that would be bad, but Rondo ($12.9 m), Thorton ($9 m), Bynum ($2.9 m) and Bass ($6.9 m) - not mentioning about $4 of contracts we can decline, would be about $31.7 - $35 m off the books this season.

Here are the free agents: LBJ, Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kahwi Leonard, Marc Gasol, Tim Duncan, Goran Dragic, Dwayne Wade, DeAndre Jordan, Brook Lopez, Big Al, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Monta Ellis, Paul Millsap, Roy Hibbert, Luol Deng, Brandon Knight, Afflalo, David West, Omer Asik, Thaddeus Young, Wesley Matthews, Tobias Harris, Eric Gordon, Patrick Beverely, Tyson Chandler, Robin Lopez, Jamal Crawford, Mozgov, Gerald Green, Enes Kanter, Gerald Henderson, Paul Pierce, Teletovic, Gary Neal......

I mean if Smart is looking good, we will have lots of cap room and assets for sign and trades. 

[Vox_Populi]

*Rondo trade idea, Bargnani (expiring) and 1st rd pick (2015) for Rondo and LAC 1st rd pick (2015). Neither thinks Knicks would do it.

explains how bad the Knicks really are, all the way up the organization. Not only is this a ridiculous trade idea but to suggest they wouldn't do it? Crazyyy

He was basically saying that Rondo's value is very limited because he's expiring and the Knicks have no interest in winning this year.

If I understand things, it seems like the Knicks' tradeoff is this: with no trade the Knicks head into the summer with the ability to sign Rondo outright and with a top-10 pick to offer in trade for another good player. But, they will have to renounce Stoudemire who is playing well.

If they trade for Rondo they would then retain Bird rights on both AS and RR. Re-signing both (or sign and trades?) is a possibility.

I question whether the Knicks would pay a top-10 pick just to retain Bird rights on those guys, since in RR's case those rights are probably irrelevant (he's not getting the max), and a top-10 pick might well fetch back someone better than Amare, particularly when paired with other assets.

I would agree with this.

[TheFlex]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

so where is Rondo going to sign?

NYK and LAL are the only realistic options.  is a 37 yr old kobe going to give him a better chance to win? or a NYK triangle offense with Melo and nothing else?

C's have much better young prospects, have the ability to clear cap space to put a max next to him , and tons of draft picks to add to that

I hate to even think about it, but Rondo would be good for the Lakers.  He could prevent Kobe from embarrassing himself further and there's nothing quite like Rondo when you have a bunch of scrubs.  He'd have Ed Davis and Jordan Hill shooting 70% like Zeller. 

Of course he would be good for the Lakers , but what do the Lakers offer him more than the C's can ? C's could match the same offer . Kobe isn't going to be the go to guy on a contender, he is just to washed up for that at this point in his career . They don't have any other legit starters on that team, and Julius Randle coming off a broken leg .

1. Money. They could throw the max at Rondo, which we shouldn't max.
2. Major Market, which results in more money from endorsements.

Those are pretty weak and cliche reasons .

Money is cliche? A lot of cliche signings seem to occur then.

Guess Dwight felt the same way when he went to Hou for less money ?

We don't have a James Harden (yet). And Rondo doesn't hate Melo or Kobe at the moment like Dwight hated Kobe in the summer of '13.

(If we don't trade Rondo), unless we acquire Melo, Gasol or some other star before Rondo makes his decision this offseason, he's as good as gone.

[Celtics4ever]

I too, do not think Rondo is not a max player but he is far from chopped liver.

[GratefulCs]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

Normally that would be bad, but Rondo ($12.9 m), Thorton ($9 m), Bynum ($2.9 m) and Bass ($6.9 m) - not mentioning about $4 of contracts we can decline, would be about $31.7 - $35 m off the books this season.

Here are the free agents: LBJ, Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kahwi Leonard, Marc Gasol, Tim Duncan, Goran Dragic, Dwayne Wade, DeAndre Jordan, Brook Lopez, Big Al, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Monta Ellis, Paul Millsap, Roy Hibbert, Luol Deng, Brandon Knight, Afflalo, David West, Omer Asik, Thaddeus Young, Wesley Matthews, Tobias Harris, Eric Gordon, Patrick Beverely, Tyson Chandler, Robin Lopez, Jamal Crawford, Mozgov, Gerald Green, Enes Kanter, Gerald Henderson, Paul Pierce, Teletovic, Gary Neal......

I mean if Smart is looking good, we will have lots of cap room and assets for sign and trades.

Wow. Even though many of those players won't move, that's an impressive list.


I was wondering why some people were okay with rondo just walking, but we could get a few really good players.


Hibbert and jimmy butler? I'd be happy if we could pull that off.


Did your cap space calculation include Green potentially opting out? I think he will if he keeps playing like this the rest of the season

[manl_lui]

I'm pretty convinced the most likely scenario here is Rondo reaching free agency and signing elsewhere.  Boston gets nothing.  That's how this is panning out. 

Someone in better position to win will overpay Rondo and that's not going to be Boston.

Normally that would be bad, but Rondo ($12.9 m), Thorton ($9 m), Bynum ($2.9 m) and Bass ($6.9 m) - not mentioning about $4 of contracts we can decline, would be about $31.7 - $35 m off the books this season.

Here are the free agents: LBJ, Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kahwi Leonard, Marc Gasol, Tim Duncan, Goran Dragic, Dwayne Wade, DeAndre Jordan, Brook Lopez, Big Al, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Monta Ellis, Paul Millsap, Roy Hibbert, Luol Deng, Brandon Knight, Afflalo, David West, Omer Asik, Thaddeus Young, Wesley Matthews, Tobias Harris, Eric Gordon, Patrick Beverely, Tyson Chandler, Robin Lopez, Jamal Crawford, Mozgov, Gerald Green, Enes Kanter, Gerald Henderson, Paul Pierce, Teletovic, Gary Neal......

I mean if Smart is looking good, we will have lots of cap room and assets for sign and trades.

Wow. Even though many of those players won't move, that's an impressive list.


I was wondering why some people were okay with rondo just walking, but we could get a few really good players.


Hibbert and jimmy butler? I'd be happy if we could pull that off.


Did your cap space calculation include Green potentially opting out? I think he will if he keeps playing like this the rest of the season

LBJ signed a 2 year deal no? He isn't a FA this season? right?

other than that,

I think when Rondo hits FA, he won't walk just yet...I think it will be a Miami Heat case...he will sit back and do nothing or probably look around, but ultimately see where FAs will go and see what gives him the best chance to win...

if we do have that much in cap space and possibly clear more, I can see Rondo recruiting some max players to play here