Can KG Be Reunited Again With Pierce In Washington?

[MISSERY]

If the Nets season looks bleak, I wonder if KG might ask for a buyout, so he can latch onto a playoff team of his choosing.

And in that scenario, Washington would be a great fit.

i agree. just look at the magic vs wizards its 91-89
they can't even have a blowout, all wins are mostly closed games
they let other teams comes back or even the score
what will ks bring to 2nd unit, lucky offense that's all

[indeedproceed]

If Garnett gets a buyout I'll take 10-1 odds on a TP bet that he goes to the Clippers.

[LarBrd33]

If Garnett gets a buyout I'll take 10-1 odds on a TP bet that he goes to the Clippers.

I agree.  That would make way too much sense.

[Fafnir]

Washington already has arguably the best big man rotation in the league.

It'd be a pretty poor argument, but you can argue about anything I guess.

All right, well then let's hear your alleged strong argument against it.  No need for drive-by
disses on people's opinions, at least tell people why you think their opinion is wrong or stupid.

Since when is saying I disagree a "drive-by" its not like you laid out a detailed case prior to the above post. No reason to be overly sensitive when someone disagrees.

Gortat is on the very short, almost non-existent list of good two-way Centers in the league right now.  Nene hasn't shown any signs of slowing down in past years, he's still top 10-11 among PFs.  They are the biggest reason for WAS being 5th in DRTG and 8th in DRB%, keeping them with the 2nd best record in the East all season long.  Throw in Humphries and Seraphin who are extrememly solid, and Gooden/Blair as reserves.  Adding KG simply doesn't improve their rotation much, all it does is give them a better injury replacement on the 3rd string (and I don't think that's nearly enough to make a trade).

Then all you've got is the Hawks who have nobody behind Horford/Milsap, Memphis who has nobody behind Randolph/Gasol, and Dallas who doesn't have much behind Dirk/Chandler (Brandon Wright is serviceable).

Nene hasn't been good this year and has been hurt off and on as always. He's no longer the offensive force he used to be and defensively he's good but not great. His rebounding has been sub-par for the past two years, approaching Brandon Bass levels.

Golden State, Memphis, New Orleans, Dallas, San Antonio, Chicago, LAC, Portland all have better big men rotations in my view even if Nene recovers his form. You could throw in Pacers, Raptors as being on par with the Wizards as well given how poorly Nene has played.

Specifically I think you should check out Kosta Koufus/Jon Leur in Memphis, they've played every bit as well as the Washington backups and Gasol/Randolph are far better than Nene/Gortat

Edit: They've played better, both are rebounding at solid levels and their TS% is far superior with superior defense as a team.

Washington is tied for the second best record in the east because they've played the one of the easiest schedules in the entire league. Some have said the easiest depending on how you weight back to backs and other game density issues.

I think what you meant to say is there's basically 25 poor arguments around the league for best big rotation, and then Washington in the argument with 3-4 other teams.

I meant exactly what I said, no need to paraphrase for me.

The Wizards are closer to the middle of big men rotations than the top of the league. I don't think you can make a good argument for their big men being tops of the league. Neither of their starters is all-star caliber and their bench is good but not game changing. They're somewhere in the range of 6 - 15 depending on Nene and your point of view of their defensive work, just not enough to put them in the conversation with MVP candidates and all-stars who lead other rotations.

[Fafnir]

Clippers
Portland
Houston
Pelicans
Spurs
Dallas
Hawks?

am I missing any?

Golden State and Memphis are the two off my list you missed. I wouldn't put the Hawks there until Horford plays better, but then again Nene hasn't been good either....

I also left off Houston myself, though if Howard plays they are right there.

[slamtheking]

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[Csfan1984]

Im hoping if he gets bought out he goes to OKC. Durant, Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka, and KG in last 5 mins of a game would be awesome to see. KG is the right person to give them the edge to win it all.

[Fafnir]

Im hoping if he gets bought out he goes to OKC. Durant, Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka, and KG in last 5 mins of a game would be awesome to see. KG is the right person to give them the edge to win it all.

Thing is you can't count on KG having his legs for a given game at this point. He's a nice depth veteran, but you can't plan on him being able to close for you.

[Csfan1984]

Im hoping if he gets bought out he goes to OKC. Durant, Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka, and KG in last 5 mins of a game would be awesome to see. KG is the right person to give them the edge to win it all.

Thing is you can't count on KG having his legs for a given game at this point. He's a nice depth veteran, but you can't plan on him being able to close for you.

Sure you can just use minute management PJ Brown like.

[Fafnir]

Im hoping if he gets bought out he goes to OKC. Durant, Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka, and KG in last 5 mins of a game would be awesome to see. KG is the right person to give them the edge to win it all.

Thing is you can't count on KG having his legs for a given game at this point. He's a nice depth veteran, but you can't plan on him being able to close for you.

Sure you can just use minute management PJ Brown like.

PJ Brown played less than I remembered last time I looked at the gamelogs, I agree that KG would be very valuable in that sort of role.

[Csfan1984]

Im hoping if he gets bought out he goes to OKC. Durant, Westbrook, Jackson, Ibaka, and KG in last 5 mins of a game would be awesome to see. KG is the right person to give them the edge to win it all.

Thing is you can't count on KG having his legs for a given game at this point. He's a nice depth veteran, but you can't plan on him being able to close for you.

Sure you can just use minute management PJ Brown like.

PJ Brown played less than I remembered last time I looked at the gamelogs, I agree that KG would be very valuable in that sort of role.

Two minutes to close first and third quarters and five mins to close out second and fourth quarters. That would be what I want so 14 total minutes a night and in a established closer role. Finals and playoffs it could increase but probably 22 minutes at most. 

[mgent]

Washington already has arguably the best big man rotation in the league.

It'd be a pretty poor argument, but you can argue about anything I guess.

All right, well then let's hear your alleged strong argument against it.  No need for drive-by
disses on people's opinions, at least tell people why you think their opinion is wrong or stupid.

Since when is saying I disagree a "drive-by" its not like you laid out a detailed case prior to the above post. No reason to be overly sensitive when someone disagrees.

Gortat is on the very short, almost non-existent list of good two-way Centers in the league right now.  Nene hasn't shown any signs of slowing down in past years, he's still top 10-11 among PFs.  They are the biggest reason for WAS being 5th in DRTG and 8th in DRB%, keeping them with the 2nd best record in the East all season long.  Throw in Humphries and Seraphin who are extrememly solid, and Gooden/Blair as reserves.  Adding KG simply doesn't improve their rotation much, all it does is give them a better injury replacement on the 3rd string (and I don't think that's nearly enough to make a trade).

Then all you've got is the Hawks who have nobody behind Horford/Milsap, Memphis who has nobody behind Randolph/Gasol, and Dallas who doesn't have much behind Dirk/Chandler (Brandon Wright is serviceable).

Nene hasn't been good this year and has been hurt off and on as always. He's no longer the offensive force he used to be and defensively he's good but not great. His rebounding has been sub-par for the past two years, approaching Brandon Bass levels.

Golden State, Memphis, New Orleans, Dallas, San Antonio, Chicago, LAC, Portland all have better big men rotations in my view even if Nene recovers his form. You could throw in Pacers, Raptors as being on par with the Wizards as well given how poorly Nene has played.

Specifically I think you should check out Kosta Koufus/Jon Leur in Memphis, they've played every bit as well as the Washington backups and Gasol/Randolph are far better than Nene/Gortat

Edit: They've played better, both are rebounding at solid levels and their TS% is far superior with superior defense as a team.

Washington is tied for the second best record in the east because they've played the one of the easiest schedules in the entire league. Some have said the easiest depending on how you weight back to backs and other game density issues.

I think what you meant to say is there's basically 25 poor arguments around the league for best big rotation, and then Washington in the argument with 3-4 other teams.

I meant exactly what I said, no need to paraphrase for me.

The Wizards are closer to the middle of big men rotations than the top of the league. I don't think you can make a good argument for their big men being tops of the league. Neither of their starters is all-star caliber and their bench is good but not game changing. They're somewhere in the range of 6 - 15 depending on Nene and your point of view of their defensive work, just not enough to put them in the conversation with MVP candidates and all-stars who lead other rotations.

Well, if you said you disagreed, I probably wouldn't have even said anything, but the word "poor" often has offensive connotation.  I don't think my response really qualifies as being oversensitive, if you call someone's opinion poor I think that is widely regarded as a "diss." (and it's not like I flipped out, I just asked for evidence).  If you can't see a distinction between that and "I disagree," then I don't know how else to explain it.  I understand people are braver online than in person where they might be more polite, just don't be shocked if you continue to see different responses to "I disagree with you" and "you make a poor argument."

Also, sorry if I think the person who is calling someone out is more responsible for laying out some details than the person just dropping a line in a thread.

As for your response, thank you for giving me some insight on your position.  I wouldn't call it a "strong argument," neither of us proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt, but I'll agree to disagree.  TP.

[Fafnir]

I guess I just think you're being a little thin skinned when it comes to this. I'm friends with so many debators from my college days I hear things about poor arguments or poor strategy when it comes to statements or board game game plans all the time. I don't think criticism of ideas is a bad thing for a discussion board. What's the point of discussing your ideas if you don't want them criticized.

I've also had people also get touchy when I don't say "in my opinion" before stating my opinions. If it wasn't my opinion why would be posting it?

As for your response, thank you for giving me some insight on your position.  I wouldn't call it a "strong argument," neither of us proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt, but I'll agree to disagree.  TP.

This is why I hate the "arguable" qualifer. You can argue whether or not the 76ers have the best big man rotation in the league, to give a full on hyperbolic ridiculous example. That would also be a poor argument. Its like a built it "no offense" before you say something offensive, an automatic attempt to setup an immediate out.

[Fafnir]

Oh and many a tps back to you mgent, I enjoyed going over the issue in more detailed. I enjoy those sort of conversations on celticsblog the most.

[D.o.s.]

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