Rondo's Best Game of the Season

[Jailan34]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

I doubt Gasol leaves Memphis, word is he loves it there and they're constantly contending in the much tougher West. We need to be realistic and realize there aren't many if any stars looking to jump ship right now.

[Vermont Green]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

[Celtics18]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

That, of course, is the essence of the problem you have with any player.  There is no player in the league--outside of possibly Lebron James--who can take a bad team and turn them into a title contender by himself.

[BballTim]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

  I don't see why you don't understand that Rondo getting a lot of assists helps make the team good. We score a lot of points off of his passes and we score them more efficiently than average. Also, while it's true that teams generally aren't that good without an above average big on the team, we had a lot of success after KG had his knee injury when we didn't have a player close to the level of those guys in their primes on the court with Rondo.

[playdream]

Takes over 15 games for Rondo to really show up
He had a great game versus the lakers
Just hope he can keep it up against the better teams

[BballTim]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

That, of course, is the essence of the problem you have with any player.  There is no player in the league--outside of possibly Lebron James--who can take a bad team and turn them into a title contender by himself.

  This.

[Chris22]

Tyler Zeller scores 20 points against Kevin Garnett....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccqk87cBs7M

[Celtics4ever]

Trouble is Zeller does not do it every game.  He has one or two games a year like that.

[csfansince60s]

Trouble is Zeller does not do it every game.  He has one or two games a year like that.

In fairness to him though, with his minutes played going up from 17 mpg to 31 last night, hopefully that allowed him to get into a rhythm that will continue if his minutes stay closer to 30 than 17.

[Vermont Green]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

  I don't see why you don't understand that Rondo getting a lot of assists helps make the team good. We score a lot of points off of his passes and we score them more efficiently than average. Also, while it's true that teams generally aren't that good without an above average big on the team, we had a lot of success after KG had his knee injury when we didn't have a player close to the level of those guys in their primes on the court with Rondo.

It just depends.  Getting 14 assists in the flow of the game while not "pounding" the ball is great and Rondo at his best which was the case against the Lakers last night.  Getting 14 assists at the expense of ball movement is not as good which at times has been the case with Rondo in the past.

It is like a scorer who hogs the ball but gets 35 points.  It is not always the best thing for the team.  There are also cases (Love) where a player appears to be going for rebounds at the expense of team defense.

Stats do not always equal good for the team.  If you consider that to be me not understanding something, then so be it.

[BballTim]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

  I don't see why you don't understand that Rondo getting a lot of assists helps make the team good. We score a lot of points off of his passes and we score them more efficiently than average. Also, while it's true that teams generally aren't that good without an above average big on the team, we had a lot of success after KG had his knee injury when we didn't have a player close to the level of those guys in their primes on the court with Rondo.

It just depends.  Getting 14 assists in the flow of the game while not "pounding" the ball is great and Rondo at his best which was the case against the Lakers last night.  Getting 14 assists at the expense of ball movement is not as good which at times has been the case with Rondo in the past.

It is like a scorer who hogs the ball but gets 35 points.  It is not always the best thing for the team.  There are also cases (Love) where a player appears to be going for rebounds at the expense of team defense.

Stats do not always equal good for the team.  If you consider that to be me not understanding something, then so be it.

  The object of the offense should be to score as efficiently as possible. If a guy takes 28 shots and gets 35 points it probably helps the team, if he takes 40 shots and gets 35 points it probably doesn't. Rondo's assists are generally of the "28 shots to get 35 points" type, so they're generally good for the team. As for the "ball movement" stuff, it's just a means to an end, and the end is to get a good shot. Why would getting good shots other ways be inherently worse?

  You said earlier that "We need more than just one pass and a shot, we need two and three passes". My question is, why? If you can get a good shot with only one pass, why not take the shot? What's better about more passes that will lead to a shot no better than the one you'll get with one pass? If anything, you'll end up committing more turnovers with the extra passes.

[Tr1boy]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

  I don't see why you don't understand that Rondo getting a lot of assists helps make the team good. We score a lot of points off of his passes and we score them more efficiently than average. Also, while it's true that teams generally aren't that good without an above average big on the team, we had a lot of success after KG had his knee injury when we didn't have a player close to the level of those guys in their primes on the court with Rondo.

It just depends.  Getting 14 assists in the flow of the game while not "pounding" the ball is great and Rondo at his best which was the case against the Lakers last night.  Getting 14 assists at the expense of ball movement is not as good which at times has been the case with Rondo in the past.

It is like a scorer who hogs the ball but gets 35 points.  It is not always the best thing for the team.  There are also cases (Love) where a player appears to be going for rebounds at the expense of team defense.

Stats do not always equal good for the team.  If you consider that to be me not understanding something, then so be it.

  The object of the offense should be to score as efficiently as possible. If a guy takes 28 shots and gets 35 points it probably helps the team, if he takes 40 shots and gets 35 points it probably doesn't. Rondo's assists are generally of the "28 shots to get 35 points" type, so they're generally good for the team. As for the "ball movement" stuff, it's just a means to an end, and the end is to get a good shot. Why would getting good shots other ways be inherently worse?

  You said earlier that "We need more than just one pass and a shot, we need two and three passes". My question is, why? If you can get a good shot with only one pass, why not take the shot? What's better about more passes that will lead to a shot no better than the one you'll get with one pass? If anything, you'll end up committing more turnovers with the extra passes.

Bc the other guys are just standing around.  This is not two on two basketball.  Look at the way the Spurs play. Even the Heat (with Lebron) and the 2008-2010 celtcs how they played. 

When was the last time a team with a pure pg that ran the offense most of the time won a championship??  The old Utah Jazz with Malone and Stockton got close. Thats it

Now if Rondo plays like he did yesterday for the rest of the year, for the next 3-4 years he will be signed, then I can live one guy making the majority of the decision as to who to pass to before scoring.  Its not going to be easy for Rondo though to be "playoff Rondo" consistently and play solid D

Its harder for the opponents to play D and the offense is more dynamic if most of the 5 guys get involved.

[BballTim]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

  I don't see why you don't understand that Rondo getting a lot of assists helps make the team good. We score a lot of points off of his passes and we score them more efficiently than average. Also, while it's true that teams generally aren't that good without an above average big on the team, we had a lot of success after KG had his knee injury when we didn't have a player close to the level of those guys in their primes on the court with Rondo.

It just depends.  Getting 14 assists in the flow of the game while not "pounding" the ball is great and Rondo at his best which was the case against the Lakers last night.  Getting 14 assists at the expense of ball movement is not as good which at times has been the case with Rondo in the past.

It is like a scorer who hogs the ball but gets 35 points.  It is not always the best thing for the team.  There are also cases (Love) where a player appears to be going for rebounds at the expense of team defense.

Stats do not always equal good for the team.  If you consider that to be me not understanding something, then so be it.

  The object of the offense should be to score as efficiently as possible. If a guy takes 28 shots and gets 35 points it probably helps the team, if he takes 40 shots and gets 35 points it probably doesn't. Rondo's assists are generally of the "28 shots to get 35 points" type, so they're generally good for the team. As for the "ball movement" stuff, it's just a means to an end, and the end is to get a good shot. Why would getting good shots other ways be inherently worse?

  You said earlier that "We need more than just one pass and a shot, we need two and three passes". My question is, why? If you can get a good shot with only one pass, why not take the shot? What's better about more passes that will lead to a shot no better than the one you'll get with one pass? If anything, you'll end up committing more turnovers with the extra passes.

Bc the other guys are just standing around.  This is not two on two basketball.  Look at the way the Spurs play. Even the Heat (with Lebron) and the 2008-2010 celtcs how they played. 

  You can talk about the Spurs all you like, but most of the top teams have great offensive players who can create their own shots and dominate the ball. The Heat were more about iso plays for Wade and James than ball movement, and teams like that, the Shaq-Lakers, the MJ Bulls and a host of other top teams would fall well short of your expectations of how much ball movement a team needs.

[Tr1boy]

Bring in a quality Center ......not knocking Godzeller .....he's learning........but Rondo needs the skills of bigs with soft mitts and size .....

Remember Shaq .....KG .....guys who can handle the ball low . 

Bring in MArc Gasol or such big man on the block

Rondo will have 14 assists every game.

Or just get rind of Rondo and get someone that doesn't have so many "needs" to have a good game.

Rondo can get 14 assists every game with any players but that will not make the team good.  It is like having Kobe getting 25 pts every game or one guy getting 18 rebounds.  I agree with Boris.  If we need to bring in Shaq, KG, or Gasol in order to have a good team with Rondo, that is the essence of the problem that you have with Rondo.

  I don't see why you don't understand that Rondo getting a lot of assists helps make the team good. We score a lot of points off of his passes and we score them more efficiently than average. Also, while it's true that teams generally aren't that good without an above average big on the team, we had a lot of success after KG had his knee injury when we didn't have a player close to the level of those guys in their primes on the court with Rondo.

It just depends.  Getting 14 assists in the flow of the game while not "pounding" the ball is great and Rondo at his best which was the case against the Lakers last night.  Getting 14 assists at the expense of ball movement is not as good which at times has been the case with Rondo in the past.

It is like a scorer who hogs the ball but gets 35 points.  It is not always the best thing for the team.  There are also cases (Love) where a player appears to be going for rebounds at the expense of team defense.

Stats do not always equal good for the team.  If you consider that to be me not understanding something, then so be it.

  The object of the offense should be to score as efficiently as possible. If a guy takes 28 shots and gets 35 points it probably helps the team, if he takes 40 shots and gets 35 points it probably doesn't. Rondo's assists are generally of the "28 shots to get 35 points" type, so they're generally good for the team. As for the "ball movement" stuff, it's just a means to an end, and the end is to get a good shot. Why would getting good shots other ways be inherently worse?

  You said earlier that "We need more than just one pass and a shot, we need two and three passes". My question is, why? If you can get a good shot with only one pass, why not take the shot? What's better about more passes that will lead to a shot no better than the one you'll get with one pass? If anything, you'll end up committing more turnovers with the extra passes.

Bc the other guys are just standing around.  This is not two on two basketball.  Look at the way the Spurs play. Even the Heat (with Lebron) and the 2008-2010 celtcs how they played. 

  You can talk about the Spurs all you like, but most of the top teams have great offensive players who can create their own shots and dominate the ball. The Heat were more about iso plays for Wade and James than ball movement, and teams like that, the Shaq-Lakers, the MJ Bulls and a host of other top teams would fall well short of your expectations of how much ball movement a team needs.

Tim come on.  For most of the games, the Spurs and Heat are zipping the ball around. How do you think Chalmers made shots, Haslem etc.  Spurs and Heat did not/don't have a pure pg

I do agree players that can excel in ISO is needed to be good . But for most of the game teams like the 2008 celts, Spurs, Heat are passing the ball around

[BballTim]

I think Rondo's game last night was about what Rondo is as a player.  Lot's of nifty passes that resulted in good shots for other players.  The assists didn't seem forced as they do sometimes.  Everything in the flow of the game.  It was against a weak opponent but he played the right way.  He created good pace and good ball movement.  It isn't all about Rondo's assists.  Good ball movement needs to lead to assists by everyone.  We need more than just one pass and a shot, we need two and three passes, and there were cases of that last night.

He was also 6-17 from the field and did not take any free throws.  You can't say he didn't look to score (although there was not much at the basket), he took what they were giving him.  Rondo's man did a lot double teaming, clogging up the middle.  His defense was sufficient but even Jeremy Lin was getting past him.

So that is the Yin and the Yang of Rondo's game.  The net of all of that is still a high level player.  No one else in the league can make some of the passes that he made or at least not with as much precision.  He gets the ball not just to the player but to the player at exactly the right time and right where it is easiest for the other player to make a play.  I love watching that part of Rondo's game.

He was still only 6-17 on what were mostly lightly contested or even uncontested shots.  I am OK with Rondo as who he is.  Every player has flaws and limitations.  A middle of the pack (top 15 ish) PG is still an asset and a value for a team.  There will be nights where he has a run and hits maybe 10 of 17 and on those nights, he will carry the team and for those nights, he will be a top 5 PG in the league.

  If you think that Rondo only carries the team when he scores a lot then IMO you're missing a lot of what he adds to a team. Also, while Lin did double off of Rondo and clog the lanes at time, it wasn't anything more than you normally see in a game, and not really any more than you see the Celts guards double off of their men or clog the lane. Teams don't guard Rondo overly differently than they guard other players. You keep posting that the other teams don't guard Rondo, which makes it hard for him to get assists. But he leads the league in assists. You also frequently argue that other teams not guarding Rondo makes it especially hard for Rondo to get assists in the 4th quarter, but he's been first or second in the league in 4th quarter assists in each of the last 5 seasons.