Can we get James Young some minutes?

[Beat LA]

Not that I would ever wish an injury on any players (Celtic or otherwise) but thats a valid point. I would love to see James get like 10 mins at least.

i understand how we all want better players on the celtics right now. however, young's defense is so poor that his presence for 10 minutes a game will not make the celtics a better team. plus, wins and loses are not the goal this season.

by bringing him up for only 10 minutes a night, the celtics might very well DELAY his development since he is now getting a lot more minutes in the Dleague. it is those extra minutes that will allow him to develop all parts of his game more quickly.

so, i don't agree that bringing up young would help anyone....except folks who like to post on cb. 

So let me get this straight - he shouldn't get minutes because of his defense on a terrible defensive team that is lottery-bound again.  Wait, what?  You realize that you just contradicted yourself there, right, lol?

It would be one thing if this was 2008-12, when we were contenders, but we're rebuilding now, and to not give perhaps one of the best offensive players on our team (potentially) the minutes he needs to develop in favor of veterans on a horrible defensive team that won't even come close to making the playoffs makes absolutely no sense.  Remember, too, that Young is not only willing to take the big shot, but he made a ton of them last year in the most crucial moments during the NCAA Tournament, and we desperately need a closer.  Give him a shot - he might pleasantly surprise you; and if he screws up, don't bench him for the next week.  Keep playing him, maybe even more minutes, because the only way he's going to get better is through in-game experience. D-league minutes are not the same as NBA minutes.  It's just like in baseball - sure a guy can get some experience against the best in the minors, but that's not even close to being the same thing as facing Pedro Martinez.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

James Young needs to stay in Maine if he's not getting any minutes for the Celtics.

He needs reps, he needs to play. We're going to find out what we have in him if he's playing. It's like football, where young players of top clubs are being loaned to inferior clubs to keep them sharp and all while, he's developing their skills.

If he's not getting minutes, keep him in Maine.

[knuckleballer]

 I suspect by midseason Turner or Thornton will be traded creating minutes for Young.  They need to showcase those two guys for now while Young learns the defense in practice.

[hwangjini_1]

Not that I would ever wish an injury on any players (Celtic or otherwise) but thats a valid point. I would love to see James get like 10 mins at least.

i understand how we all want better players on the celtics right now. however, young's defense is so poor that his presence for 10 minutes a game will not make the celtics a better team. plus, wins and loses are not the goal this season.

by bringing him up for only 10 minutes a night, the celtics might very well DELAY his development since he is now getting a lot more minutes in the Dleague. it is those extra minutes that will allow him to develop all parts of his game more quickly.

so, i don't agree that bringing up young would help anyone....except folks who like to post on cb. 

So let me get this straight - he shouldn't get minutes because of his defense on a terrible defensive team that is lottery-bound again.  Wait, what?  You realize that you just contradicted yourself there, right, lol?

It would be one thing if this was 2008-12, when we were contenders, but we're rebuilding now, and to not give perhaps one of the best offensive players on our team (potentially) the minutes he needs to develop in favor of veterans on a horrible defensive team that won't even come close to making the playoffs makes absolutely no sense.  Remember, too, that Young is not only willing to take the big shot, but he made a ton of them last year in the most crucial moments during the NCAA Tournament, and we desperately need a closer.  Give him a shot - he might pleasantly surprise you; and if he screws up, don't bench him for the next week.  Keep playing him, maybe even more minutes, because the only way he's going to get better is through in-game experience. D-league minutes are not the same as NBA minutes.  It's just like in baseball - sure a guy can get some experience against the best in the minors, but that's not even close to being the same thing as facing Pedro Martinez.

no. the two points are (1) young does not deserve to play, nor would help the celtics, due to his defense. 10 minutes of his play is not consequential and actually hurts his development. (2) the poster to whom i am replying seemed to be implying that young could make a difference in w/l, and my reply was that w/l is not the point of this team this season. the second point was not tied to the first as a pairing, but rather as a response to a poster who seemed to state that winning was important.

while my points would be contradictory if presented as you say, the point here is that they were not connected in that fashion.

[SHAQATTACK]

Yes .....every minute Bass plays ......someone else in the world should be on the court playing

Not him.


Yes ...worth  spending minutes to develop Young

Playing Bass ..IS ...worthless waste

[Diggles]

He's pretty 1 dimensional at this point, but what do we have to lose?  The kid can definitely knock down 3's.  Ultra fast release and smooth stroke.

Kid is probably our worst defender.  And I'm sorry his team mates will get p---ed at blown coverages.  No one wants to play with someone that can't play D

[Chris22]

Young will get his minutes down the road.

He missed training camp, so he needs some time to develop.

I would be happy if we are a lottery team this year.

There are a lot of good centers in this draft.

[LooseCannon]

Yes .....every minute Bass plays ......someone else in the world should be on the court playing

Not him.


Yes ...worth  spending minutes to develop Young

Playing Bass ..IS ...worthless waste

Without Bass, maybe they play Green more as a smallball four and Gerald Wallace ends up playing 20 mpg.

[KeepRondo]

After reading some of these responses, you would think Young is the second coming of Gerald Green on defense.

Here are some old quotes from Stevens.

“The most impressive thing about James,” Stevens said, “was he never really crossed my radar as making mistakes defensively, which is pretty impressive for a young guy.”


“We need to get (the rookies) up to speed at the right pace,” Stevens said. “But I think that one of the things I’ve seen with James: James picks up things really quickly. Sometimes you watch guys play and you’ve got to find things to help them read the game better. The basketball plays come really easy to him. Some guys, you have to talk through a 2-on-1. You don’t have to do that with James Young. He’s a savvy basketball player very naturally.”

I think some of these posts are from people shooting from the hip and not really knowing for sure what type of defender Young is. Have we seen him blow a coverage and get beat badly? Yes but that was one play. I think we all need a bigger sample size before we start declaring Young as a bad defender.

Until then I will take Stevens word that Young has shown signs of being a decent defender.

[Beat LA]

Not that I would ever wish an injury on any players (Celtic or otherwise) but thats a valid point. I would love to see James get like 10 mins at least.

i understand how we all want better players on the celtics right now. however, young's defense is so poor that his presence for 10 minutes a game will not make the celtics a better team. plus, wins and loses are not the goal this season.

by bringing him up for only 10 minutes a night, the celtics might very well DELAY his development since he is now getting a lot more minutes in the Dleague. it is those extra minutes that will allow him to develop all parts of his game more quickly.

so, i don't agree that bringing up young would help anyone....except folks who like to post on cb. 

So let me get this straight - he shouldn't get minutes because of his defense on a terrible defensive team that is lottery-bound again.  Wait, what?  You realize that you just contradicted yourself there, right, lol?

It would be one thing if this was 2008-12, when we were contenders, but we're rebuilding now, and to not give perhaps one of the best offensive players on our team (potentially) the minutes he needs to develop in favor of veterans on a horrible defensive team that won't even come close to making the playoffs makes absolutely no sense.  Remember, too, that Young is not only willing to take the big shot, but he made a ton of them last year in the most crucial moments during the NCAA Tournament, and we desperately need a closer.  Give him a shot - he might pleasantly surprise you; and if he screws up, don't bench him for the next week.  Keep playing him, maybe even more minutes, because the only way he's going to get better is through in-game experience. D-league minutes are not the same as NBA minutes.  It's just like in baseball - sure a guy can get some experience against the best in the minors, but that's not even close to being the same thing as facing Pedro Martinez.

no. the two points are (1) young does not deserve to play, nor would help the celtics, due to his defense. 10 minutes of his play is not consequential and actually hurts his development. (2) the poster to whom i am replying seemed to be implying that young could make a difference in w/l, and my reply was that w/l is not the point of this team this season. the second point was not tied to the first as a pairing, but rather as a response to a poster who seemed to state that winning was important.

while my points would be contradictory if presented as you say, the point here is that they were not connected in that fashion.

Right, but it's better than nothing, imo - at least until someone's traded, like Thornton.  I'd honestly like to see Young get Bradley's minutes.  Not as a starter, but off the bench, if Smart is moved into the starting lineup.  We need something to give us hope for the future other than the promise of more chances in the lottery, in which we'll only get screwed, per league policy, lol, and maybe Young can be that guy - especially because we have no idea what his ceiling is, while Avery Bradley doesn't look like he's going to continue to evolve that much more as a player, imo.  Jalen Rose likened Young to Morris Peterson, and nbadraft.net compared him to Michael Redd coming out of high school (I guess that he was one of the top scorers in his class, and now I see why ), so I say throw him out there, lol .

Sorry for pointing out what appeared to be contradicting statements, btw, haha .

[BballTim]

After reading some of these responses, you would think Young is the second coming of Gerald Green on defense.

Here are some old quotes from Stevens.

“The most impressive thing about James,” Stevens said, “was he never really crossed my radar as making mistakes defensively, which is pretty impressive for a young guy.”


“We need to get (the rookies) up to speed at the right pace,” Stevens said. “But I think that one of the things I’ve seen with James: James picks up things really quickly. Sometimes you watch guys play and you’ve got to find things to help them read the game better. The basketball plays come really easy to him. Some guys, you have to talk through a 2-on-1. You don’t have to do that with James Young. He’s a savvy basketball player very naturally.”

I think some of these posts are from people shooting from the hip and not really knowing for sure what type of defender Young is. Have we seen him blow a coverage and get beat badly? Yes but that was one play. I think we all need a bigger sample size before we start declaring Young as a bad defender.

Until then I will take Stevens word that Young has shown signs of being a decent defender.

  FWIW Stevens is also the guy who's playing everyone else over Young.

[SHAQATTACK]

With some playing time and experience ......You g is going to blow AB and Turner out of the water .

In a couple years......Bradley will be forgotten .....oh yeah I remember him.

[Future Celtics Owner]

patience... gotta showcase the bums first with hopes of getting a trade done. 

Young is 19.  He's got a future.  I'm pumped.

Everyone on this thread has a valid opinion but THIS takes the cake!^^^^^^

yup.
Also I'm for whatever motivates him enough to become a good defender. I think our coach has enough experience in bringing young talent along, so I will defer to him.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Young will get his minutes down the road.

He missed training camp, so he needs some time to develop.

I would be happy if we are a lottery team this year.

There are a lot of good centers in this draft.

tp

[clover]

With some playing time and experience ......You g is going to blow AB and Turner out of the water .

In a couple years......Bradley will be forgotten .....oh yeah I remember him.

Yep, and in a couple of years Bradley will be an adequate and cost-effective backup to Young, if he's not a convenient piece in a trade. All is well.