Monroe is impressive. Trade proposal

[GzUP617]

  Every time Monroe is mentioned,  and bashed by the few here that do,  I wonder when we had a good center situation to be so picky.

  Plain and simple, he would help our team and is an underrated player that will start to get recognition the day he plays for a competent team.

This guy was averaging 15pts & 10rebs before our game playing alongside Drummond.  Even though he did not start for the Pistons last night, on all the other games they had, he did.

Only starting 4 & 5 to average a double double.

Both these guys are starting quality at the center position, period.

[wdleehi]

  Every time Monroe is mentioned,  and bashed by the few here that do,  I wonder when we had a good center situation to be so picky.

  Plain and simple, he would help our team and is an underrated player that will start to get recognition the day he plays for a competent team.

This guy was averaging 15pts & 10rebs before our game playing alongside Drummond.  Even though he did not start for the Pistons last night, on all the other games they had, he did.

Only starting 4 & 5 to average a double double.

Both these guys are starting quality at the center position, period.

Most are not bashing the player.


They are pointing out the situation.  He is on a qualifying offer.  If traded, he loses his bird rights.  The Celtics would not have a financial advantage to resign him over other teams.  More importantly, it is doubtful that he would agree with a trade (he has the right to block all trades because of his bird right being lost in a trade).




He would be a great player to add to the mix.  It just not going to happen during the season.

[D.o.s.]

Also, I could be remembering this backwards, but wasn't Monroe measurably more effective at the 5 than at the 4 last season? Or was it the other way around.

[wdleehi]

Also, I could be remembering this backwards, but wasn't Monroe measurably more effective at the 5 than at the 4 last season? Or was it the other way around.

Much more effective offensively and defensively at the 5.  That's why he needs to move on from Detroit next year.

[GzUP617]

  Every time Monroe is mentioned,  and bashed by the few here that do,  I wonder when we had a good center situation to be so picky.

  Plain and simple, he would help our team and is an underrated player that will start to get recognition the day he plays for a competent team.

This guy was averaging 15pts & 10rebs before our game playing alongside Drummond.  Even though he did not start for the Pistons last night, on all the other games they had, he did.

Only starting 4 & 5 to average a double double.

Both these guys are starting quality at the center position, period.

Most are not bashing the player.


They are pointing out the situation.  He is on a qualifying offer.  If traded, he loses his bird rights.  The Celtics would not have a financial advantage to resign him over other teams.  More importantly, it is doubtful that he would agree with a trade (he has the right to block all trades because of his bird right being lost in a trade).




He would be a great player to add to the mix.  It just not going to happen during the season.

I agree their,  I wouldn't trade anybody I'd mind losing. Such as Bass, Thorton, Turner, philly second rounds,  picks etc. 

I do think we have a good chance of signing him without trading for him.  But a better chance to sign him if we do trade for him this season.

[Larry for 3]

It's not really apples to apples, did you watch the game last night ? Monroe is playing with smith & Jennings,  2 black holes.  You saw what he did when SVG ran the offense through Monroe & got smith out of the game,  Sullinger to me is your first big guy off the bench , GM to me has more upside.  I'd have to see the trade first to see if what we give up is too much. We definitely should make a run @ him in offseason.

LOL.

Smith and Jennings average 11 apg between the two of them. On a per-36 basis, Smith is taking 16 shots, Monroe is taking 14 shots, Jennings -- 15 shots. Even on per-game basis, the numbers are 15, 12, and 13 or something like that.

There is some serious "black-holing" going on there...

  Every time Monroe is mentioned,  and bashed by the few here that do,  I wonder when we had a good center situation to be so picky.

  Plain and simple, he would help our team and is an underrated player that will start to get recognition the day he plays for a competent team.

This guy was averaging 15pts & 10rebs before our game playing alongside Drummond.  Even though he did not start for the Pistons last night, on all the other games they had, he did.

Only starting 4 & 5 to average a double double.

Both these guys are starting quality at the center position, period.

Most are not bashing the player.


They are pointing out the situation.  He is on a qualifying offer.  If traded, he loses his bird rights.  The Celtics would not have a financial advantage to resign him over other teams.  More importantly, it is doubtful that he would agree with a trade (he has the right to block all trades because of his bird right being lost in a trade).




He would be a great player to add to the mix.  It just not going to happen during the season.

I agree their,  I wouldn't trade anybody I'd mind losing. Such as Bass, Thorton, Turner, philly second rounds,  picks etc. 

I do think we have a good chance of signing him without trading for him.  But a better chance to sign him if we do trade for him this season.

I guess you missed the point, when GM was made focal point of offense he abused Sully & anyone who tried to guard him. Put him on a team with no knuckle heads and a good coach and make him your # 1 or 2 option I think he will put up 20 and 10 , just like Jefferson. But lemme guess   You think Jennings & smith are winning type players that aren't knuckle heads , I would never ever want those 2 on my team. talk about losers

[D.o.s.]

Stan Van Gundy is almost definitely a better coach than Brad Stevens.

[LooseCannon]

I really do think that Detroit's Plan A is to try to move Josh Smith and re-sign Greg Monroe and that they do their best to trade Smith up until the start of free agency.  Plan B will be to work out a sign-and-trade to get something back for Monroe.

Question for those who want Monroe....would you be willing to give up Sullinger and a first (let's say the Celtics 2016 pick with some protection) in a deal for Monroe if the CBA permitted giving Monroe a three-year extension at an amount he would accept?

[kozlodoev]

Stan Van Gundy is almost definitely a better coach than Brad Stevens.

Which is kind of sad, because SVG is really not that great.

[mmmmm]

Lol this train has derailed

While monroe might not sign here as FA(bc of many other offers to consider), he might sign and trade to play for us now.You can think of it as the celts coming in front of the line. He may not agree and this idea wont work but maybe he will. He is coming off the bench and is prob not happy about it

He can't sign now.   




And more importantly, he is not going to allow a trade that takes away his Bird rights.

Can you extend a QO? My quick scan of the Coon FAQ didn't say you couldn't, though the extension would be rather small.

I'm pretty sure you can't - and it doesn't make sense for the player anyway.  From Coon's FAQ:

"The qualifying offer is a standing offer for a one-year guaranteed contract, which becomes a regular contact if the player decides to sign it." (Q44)

"If the player really wants to leave, he can sign his original team's qualifying offer, which constitutes a one-year contract at a scale salary. He must then play with his original team for one season, and following that season he will become a free agent again. If he meets the tenure requirement he will be an unrestricted free agent, and then can sign with any other team." (Q47)

The tenure requirement is 4 years service (Monroe meets that).   He'll be an unrestricted free agent and not subject to a qualifying offer for right of first refusal.   Any contract signed at that point is simply a completely new contract.

I'm not completely clear yet on whether Detroit would still have Bird Rights next Summer.  Coon doesn't explicitly say anything about that that I could find.  But I know they do not transfer if he is traded to another team and I suspect that means Detroit has lost them as of his signing of the QO.

[mmmmm]

Monroe is "impressive". And then, there's this...

Monroe is a very good offensive player, but he’s a glaring liability on defense in a league getting smaller and quicker. He’s a turnstile trying to contain the pick-and-roll out on the floor — a mess of bad footwork, poor timing, lazy reaches, and bad choices. When Detroit has him hang back at the foul line, ball handlers can zip around him with an easy crossover or launch wide-open jumpers as Monroe, petrified at giving up a rim run, retreats a step farther than most bigs would dare — often with his arms down.
...
His off-ball defense is similarly unintuitive. Monroe wants to help and has a rudimentary sense of where he should be as the chess pieces move around the floor, but he’s unsure of himself and prone to fatal hesitations and bouts of confusion. He has struggled to develop any chemistry with his big-man partners, so that a lot of Detroit possessions end with late help rotations or both bigs chasing one opposing big man — each under the impression the other would be elsewhere on the floor.

http://grantland.com/features/josh-smith-future-detroit-pistons/

An instructive read, overall.

He is playing out of position as a pf. Like i said, he is a better offensive player  near the post and better suited to defend/be physical vs guys like duncan then chase blake griffin around

Centers still run the pick and roll, so that's still a problem.

To be fair - both last year and even more so this year, Monroe's positional splits show him to be a much better defender at the C than at PF.  In fact he's also performed better offensively at C than at PF both last year and this.  His Net PER at PF is negative but very much positive at C both last year and this year.   Last year, he only played about a 3rd of his minutes at C.  This year he is playing a little more than half there, so maybe Detroit recognizes that.

[chambers]

Chamber to me your as lazy and unrealistic of a fan as they come.

Wait,we can sign him in the offseason. Wait until the offseason ,when we can sign Hibbert.

You think those players want to come here as a FA? You think Rondo is staying? You think there is much of a future with KO, Sully as our main guys upfront?

Monroe can be traded for and IMO you think about it. Rondo should of been already traded. Did you forget how many games we have lost before last night? 

Sully is a quality young guy but is not consistent. He plays well vs certain guys, teams. But against length majority of the time , dont expect much. He came alive in the last mins of the 4th yesterday by shooting threes.

Monroe is a good player struggling to work with Drummond ,bc he is better suited to play Center.   Monroe might not be Drummond on the defensive end but he is not Drummond on the offensive end either. He is not all about scoring(though he can do that also) and is a high iq big man

I'm lazy and unrealistic because I pointed out how dumb your post was?
And yes, if you didn't understand the first time I said it, I'll say it again:
We can sign Greg Monroe here as a free agent in the off season if we want to. He's not getting any decent offers from any teams so we will have no problem signing him.
But there's a reason he's not getting decent offers from other teams. It's because he's an average player.
You want blow our capspace on an above average role player that can't play defense AND trade Sullinger and Rondo for that guy- when we can sign him in 6 months. Re-read what you're proposing. Maybe you were drunk?

You whine about Rondo's defense and lack of rim protection and now you want to trade away our best young asset for a big man that doesn't play defense and scores less than that asset. Right.

Do you see the problem with what you're saying?

Rondo has plenty of problems with his game, but he's still our best player. He's the one who will attract the top free agents to Boston- the big guys want to play with him because he gets them easy shots.

I don't think Olynyk is in our future, but I think Sullinger might be. He's only in his third year and getting better each season. Put it this way- if David West and Roy Hibbert can be the backcourt of the number one defense in the NBA, then Sullinger and Hibbert could be pretty close too.
Again, Sullinger stretches the floor. He scores more points in less minutes than Monroe. He's younger and he's cheaper and he has a higher ceiling.
Monroe is a great player- but there is no way we are trading Sullinger or Rondo for him.

Sigh.

Like i said your unrealistic and especially lazy. My post about trading for monroe has risks.  But its a good one imo. Sully and rondo are not getting us a aldridge if thats what you eant. Rondo is going downhill and sully prob has reached his potential.

Do you remember thr last big FA signing with us? Even a guy like Jordan Hill, thomas this offseason?

Zero

No actually I'd say you're being lazy by making trade proposal threads for big men whenever they score 20 points on our bad defensive backcourt. Instead of waiting for a true game changing player, you want to rush out and trade the farm for bums like Mozgov, Monroe, Jordan Hill etc.. They are ROLE PLAYERS. We want ALL STARS.

Ainge himself has said they are looking for championship caliber players. Monroe is not a championship caliber player.
Ask yourself this question:
Can Greg Monroe be a top 3 player on a championship caliber team at center or PF?
The answer is no.
He's like the Jeff Green of the Center spot. Except because he plays center, he's going to get paid more.

You can try and justify it in your impulsive rant as much as you want, but trading Sullinger for Monroe is a terrible idea. It's not happening.

[Fred Roberts]

Sign straight up in off season with new found cap space. Resign Green (if needed) or he can opt in and resign the following Summer (as Wallace expires). Resign Rondo.

Rondo, Smart
Avery, Turner, 2015 1st round draft pick
Green, Young, Wallace (expiring)
Sully, KO, Powell
Monroe, Zeller, 2015 1st round draft pick

Let Pressey go. Bass trade or expire. Thornton back cheap or let him expire. Vitor, good bye. Joel Anthony comes off the books. We're in good shape.

[LooseCannon]

I'm not completely clear yet on whether Detroit would still have Bird Rights next Summer.  Coon doesn't explicitly say anything about that that I could find.  But I know they do not transfer if he is traded to another team and I suspect that means Detroit has lost them as of his signing of the QO.

Detroit still has Monroe's Bird rights.  The reason that Monroe can veto a trade has to do with the qualifying offering being a one-year contract for a player who will have Bird rights at the end of the contract, not as any special feature that is specific to a qualifying offer.  See CBA FAQ #100 for when a trade requires player consent:

When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent.

[Who]

Ainge himself has said they are looking for championship caliber players. Monroe is not a championship caliber player.
Ask yourself this question:
Can Greg Monroe be a top 3 player on a championship caliber team at center or PF?
The answer is no.

I say yes, Monroe can be a top 3 player on a Championship team when he plays center.

Not at PF though.