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Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2014, 01:29:19 PM »

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http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/shooting/?sort=Restricted%20Area%20FGA&dir=1&DistanceRange=By%20Zone

Interesting - I couldn't figure out what else to search for besides "points in the paint".  Strange that the NBA splits it up between the restricted area and the rest of the paint with no total paint category.

I do wonder if we'd be chucking more 3s if we were making them at an above-terrible rate.

Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2014, 01:30:45 PM »

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http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/shooting/?sort=Restricted%20Area%20FGA&dir=1&DistanceRange=By%20Zone

Interesting - I couldn't figure out what else to search for besides "points in the paint".  Strange that the NBA splits it up between the restricted area and the rest of the paint with no total paint category.

I do wonder if we'd be chucking more 3s if we were making them at an above-terrible rate.

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Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2014, 01:31:54 PM »

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I do wonder if we'd be chucking more 3s if we were making them at an above-terrible rate.
I think the team definitely would be shooting more of them.

Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2014, 01:41:29 PM »

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I do wonder if we'd be chucking more 3s if we were making them at an above-terrible rate.
I think the team definitely would be shooting more of them.

Honestly it seemed like we set out to shoot a lot of 3s, but after that 1-30 or whatever debacle in Houston we dialed it way back.  No time to check boxscores to confirm, though.

Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2014, 02:00:16 PM »

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Hilarious how these threads and arguments constantly pop up with iron-clad ideas and critiques of how The Celtics, largely Rondo and Stevens, are not playing the "right" way, definite declarations of utter conviction, calling for drastic changes, that are so simply rebutted with two minutes of looking up stats and evidence. At some point you'd think the repeat offenders would realize, under the deluge of corrections thrown their way, that maybe it is their ideas that are incorrect?

Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2014, 02:01:22 PM »

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Hilarious how these threads and arguments constantly pop up with iron-clad ideas and critiques of how The Celtics, largely Rondo and Stevens, are not playing the "right" way, definite declarations of utter conviction, calling for drastic changes, that are so simply rebutted with two minutes of looking up stats and evidence. At some point you'd think the repeat offenders would realize, under the deluge of corrections thrown their way, that maybe it is there ideas that are incorrect?

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Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2014, 02:52:09 PM »

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The thing is, we have no great three point shooters lol. How can you take mainly three's when you have no great shooters?

Your point is terrible at shooting,
Your SG is a volume point Gaurd sized not great shooter.
Your small forward is up and down shooting mainly down.
Power forward is better downlow
Center... Who's starting now?

No where in there is there a great three point shooter.

Golden state on the other hand, can be a three point shooting team.

Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2014, 03:17:26 PM »

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I think we are playing to our strengths, we just do not have many in all honesty.

Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2014, 03:53:41 PM »

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Hilarious how these threads and arguments constantly pop up with iron-clad ideas and critiques of how The Celtics, largely Rondo and Stevens, are not playing the "right" way, definite declarations of utter conviction, calling for drastic changes, that are so simply rebutted with two minutes of looking up stats and evidence. At some point you'd think the repeat offenders would realize, under the deluge of corrections thrown their way, that maybe it is their ideas that are incorrect?

Shut up and have a seat, the only thing I said that was proven incorrect was the amount of 3s Celtics are taking, this idea that Celtics are taking a lot of threes didn't originate from me, other people of Celticsblog where saying 3pt shooting is the identity of the team.  If you can read, I also said other important points regarding the team's identity, with the main point being Celtics should focus on building an identity as a defensive team.  One point I made was incorrect, but you want to come and refute everything I said, you dumb chickenhead
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Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2014, 04:01:17 PM »

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Really Brad Stevens??? 3 Pointer are the easiest shot to get in Basketball, and your strategy revolves around just taking 3s? 

You know we're 2nd in the league in points in the paint, and only 12th in 3 pointers attempted, despite playing the 2nd fastest pace, right?

This. People act like they could do a better job head coaching.. Please...

Monk House shut up and have a seat, I don't care we are 12th in 3point attempted, we are still shooting more threes than we are suppose to, forget the stats for a second and think for second about the fact that brad stevens is having Sullinger shoot 3s and making bradley's role the set shooter.  if Stevens system doesn't revolve around shooting 3s than these 2 players wouldn't even have these roles.  And please tell me how am I wrong about the team lacking identity and foundation
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Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2014, 04:07:26 PM »

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Doubling down on your argument is fine. Insulting other posters to shut up is not. First and only warning KingofDaPlayazBall, keep it from being personal, no more "sit downs" or "shut ups".

Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2014, 04:07:59 PM »

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Really Brad Stevens??? 3 Pointer are the easiest shot to get in Basketball, and your strategy revolves around just taking 3s? 

You know we're 2nd in the league in points in the paint, and only 12th in 3 pointers attempted, despite playing the 2nd fastest pace, right?

This. People act like they could do a better job head coaching.. Please...

Monk House shut up and have seat, I don't care we are 12th in 3point attempted, we are still shooting more threes than we are suppose to, forget the stats for a second and think for second about the fact that brad stevens is having Sullinger shoot 3s and making bradley's role the set shooter.  if Stevens system doesn't revolve around shooting 3s than these 2 players wouldn't even have these roles.  And please tell me how am I wrong about the team lacking identity and foundation

Half of the players are redundant in their positions.. We shoot 3s, because half of our players like AB, ET, Bass and Sully or Rondo specialize in mid range.. When contested one of the worst shots in the NBA. 3 point shots are worth more in every possession, and after the Rockets fiasco, we have taken far less of them.

And who cares about identity when our team is inexperienced? Chemistry is far more important at this point. Stevens based his system to the Spurs which focuses on defense, ball movement, and pace/3pt shooting.. Guess what? We are ranked high in assists and pace.. We just need good defenders and shooters to really complement the Spurs system.

Also, besides AB, we don't have any great defenders... CHA has a top 5 ranked defense, far better players, but they suck, bottom of East, and are open to trades..


By the way, what are you really saying that users like triboy, Chris or eugen hasn't said already? Please... It's easy to post complaints and criticisms... But CBS has to juggle rotation minutes, up trade value, while integrating a completely different system.
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Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2014, 04:22:06 PM »

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Doubling down on your argument is fine. Insulting other posters to shut up is not. First and only warning KingofDaPlayazBall, keep it from being personal, no more "sit downs" or "shut ups".
certainly appropriate for a mod to intervene, but please please please let us be able to call each other dumb chicken heads! that had to be the funniest insult i have seen here on cb in a long time.  ;D
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Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2014, 04:47:23 PM »

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I am curious as to how many three pointers we're 'supposed to' shoot.
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Re: 3 Point Shooting is not an Acceptable Identity For the team
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2014, 05:37:48 PM »

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it doesn't matter where this team is ranked in 3 PA's, they take too many for a team with no shooters.