Free James Young

[fairweatherfan]

It'll happen...but later on in the season. 

I'd say there's a fair likelihood that Thornton isn't on this roster by the end of the season.  He'll get move as part of some package.  Turner's another one that I wouldn't be completely surprised is not on this roster past the trade deadline.  I have a feeling more opportunities will open up for Young.  Just need more patience about it.

This I agree with.  He'll get a chance down the line.  I think Thornton's likely to go but I think we may try to hang on to Turner in case Green exercises his FA rights this summer.  (of course if we got a decent offer for Turner we'd probably take it, I just don't think Danny signed him to dump him for whatever he can get).

[hwangjini_1]

The three possessions he was in last night, he got burned on defense. That's why he doesn't play more. I'm not sure where everyone gets all this James Young hype from. He'll be a fantastic player when it's all said and done, and he does need to get some burn either here or in Maine. However, to suggest he's one of our ten best players and better at this stage of his career than Turner and Thornton is asinine. This putting him on a pedestal stuff from the extremely small sample size we have of him is just kind of ridiculous.

are you new to cb? 

[Arok325]

Young will get his opportunity to play. He's inexperienced, missed a decent amount of training camp, and has a number of experienced vets in front of him. Relax.

Also, we're not a bottom 5 team right now and even if we were it wouldn't make sense to just give him minutes without him earning his spot in the rotation. He can shoot the 3 that's for sure but when he was in last night he got smoked. There was one back door pick/cut that gave the Thunder and easy layup that immediately comes to mind. Once he gets better at defense he will earn some more consistent minutes.

[Chris22]

I would start Young at the two and Green at the three.

And I would have never resigned Bradley.

[ZoneD]

I'm a long time reader of this site and haven't ever posted. Just wanted to say that people are jumping the gun a bit on James Young. Let's give him some time to develop. I understand that the rookie comes in, hits a couple three and generally looks athletic and people get all excited. However, let's temper our expectations a little bit. He's behind everyone on the depth chart for a reason.

[beantownboy171]

The strategy used for James Young is a pretty typical approach to player development when you're dealing with a raw prospect. It's done for several reasons:

- It gives them a chance to learn the offense, and focus on aspects of their game they need to improve. Both Rondo and Bradley played sparingly the first half of their rookie year (Bradley not much at all that season). You do this to protect the players confidence and places the emphasis on learning.

- It makes the rookie hungry to work harder. You don't want to hand anything to them.

- We have veterans on this team that a proven players. Thornton and Turner are proven bench pieces. So lets say we start off the season playing Young 20 minutes a game, and he's stinking up the place real bad. His confidence is shot and he starts to press out there. We would be forced then to take those minutes AWAY from Young and defer to these more proven players.

              i.e.: Being benched can more detrimental than starting off on the bench.

- The goal this season is to win games. Whether you think this team can make the playoffs or not.

- Playing Thornton and Turner over a raw player like Young is a message to the whole team that we are looking to compete.



Don't get me wrong. I'm looking forward to seeing Young play quite a bit. But patience in this case is advisable.

[D.o.s.]

I'm a long time reader of this site and haven't ever posted. Just wanted to say that people are jumping the gun a bit on James Young. Let's give him some time to develop. I understand that the rookie comes in, hits a couple three and generally looks athletic and people get all excited. However, let's temper our expectations a little bit. He's behind everyone on the depth chart for a reason.

Welcome to TB, excellent first post. That name might be too soon, though.

[KeepRondo]

The three possessions he was in last night, he got burned on defense. That's why he doesn't play more. I'm not sure where everyone gets all this James Young hype from. He'll be a fantastic player when it's all said and done, and he does need to get some burn either here or in Maine. However, to suggest he's one of our ten best players and better at this stage of his career than Turner and Thornton is asinine. This putting him on a pedestal stuff from the extremely small sample size we have of him is just kind of ridiculous.

And the 70 possessions he wasn't in last night, the rest of the team got burned on defense.

That's a garbage cop out.

I agree. Our defense is pretty bad as it is.

The only half decent defensive rotation we have is when BS goes small with Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Green and Sully. Every other rotation has two slow bigs and a lazy SF in Green or Turner who seems in slow mo.

[jpotter33]

It's mind boggling that this kid is stuck on the bench. It really is. Just a dumb move. There is no defending it.

1. We have some of the worst players in the league on our bench getting minutes, how the hell can we not get Young 15 a night? Evan Turner and Marcus Thornton are terrible, terrible players. James Young should play over both of them. Even as a rookie.

Evan Turner and Marcus Thornton are both significantly better than James Young is right now.

No they aren't.

Yes they are.  (this is fun!)

There is a reason why no one wants Marcus Thornton and he keeps betting packaged in meaningless trades and there is a reason why Turner got passed off for a late 2nd round pick (ie nothing) then signed a deal that wasn't even worth half of the MLE.

Both are terrible players who are nothing more than end of bench fodder.

Is there a reason why James Young can't get any playing time ahead of Marcus Thornton and Evan Turner?

Boom! lol TP!

[jpotter33]

The three possessions he was in last night, he got burned on defense. That's why he doesn't play more. I'm not sure where everyone gets all this James Young hype from. He'll be a fantastic player when it's all said and done, and he does need to get some burn either here or in Maine. However, to suggest he's one of our ten best players and better at this stage of his career than Turner and Thornton is asinine. This putting him on a pedestal stuff from the extremely small sample size we have of him is just kind of ridiculous.

are you new to cb? 

Haha, I know I know. I should've learned by now lol

[OhioGreen]

I've always hated coaches that let veterans, or upperclassmen(in college), make mistake after mistake, bad shots, dumb plays, or get burned consistently on D continue to play like nothing happened, while at the same time instantly pulling a younger player after a single mistake!  Talk about setting bad examples, and killing a players confidence! No more grievous circumstance, IMO.
More than any other player last nite, RR was torched so many times on D, he could have lit up the whole city! Pressey---Turner---JG---AB were all horrible, but not as bad as Rondo!  He hardly even attempts to play D anymore!  He still gets more than his share of steals, however, because he gambles so much!
When the whole team is playing so badly, don't yank JYoung just causes he's a rookie!!  Coach them thru their mistakes!
And, what, you can't put JY and DP in for the last 2/3 minutes when your hopelessly down----come on BS, you're better than that!!

[Diggles]

It's mind boggling that this kid is stuck on the bench. It really is. Just a dumb move. There is no defending it.

1. We have some of the worst players in the league on our bench getting minutes, how the hell can we not get Young 15 a night? Evan Turner and Marcus Thornton are terrible, terrible players. James Young should play over both of them. Even as a rookie.

2. We are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league. We could use a guy with a good shot like Young off the bench. I'd much rather seeing James Young working on his 3 point shooting that watching Evan Turner brick shot after shot after shot.

3. He is a good compliment to Rondo. We have a lot of ball dominant players on this team with Rondo, Smart, Turner, even Green. Having a good catch and shoot guy is important off the bench.

4. We suck. We need to develop our youth. The best way to develop young players is to play them. I know Young is one of the youngest players in the league, but giving him limited minutes isn't going to hinder his development.

5. Quite frankly Young is one of our 10 best players. He shouldn't be on the end of the bench.

I'm sorry but he got beat two to three times yesterday on D.   If you give up easy buckets, then you do not belong on the court.   I don't care how good you shoot! 

[fairweatherfan]

The strategy used for James Young is a pretty typical approach to player development when you're dealing with a raw prospect. It's done for several reasons:

- It gives them a chance to learn the offense, and focus on aspects of their game they need to improve. Both Rondo and Bradley played sparingly the first half of their rookie year (Bradley not much at all that season). You do this to protect the players confidence and places the emphasis on learning.

- It makes the rookie hungry to work harder. You don't want to hand anything to them.

- We have veterans on this team that a proven players. Thornton and Turner are proven bench pieces. So lets say we start off the season playing Young 20 minutes a game, and he's stinking up the place real bad. His confidence is shot and he starts to press out there. We would be forced then to take those minutes AWAY from Young and defer to these more proven players.

              i.e.: Being benched can more detrimental than starting off on the bench.

- The goal this season is to win games. Whether you think this team can make the playoffs or not.

- Playing Thornton and Turner over a raw player like Young is a message to the whole team that we are looking to compete.



Don't get me wrong. I'm looking forward to seeing Young play quite a bit. But patience in this case is advisable.

This is a really good breakdown, TP for laying it out so clearly. 

[Diggles]

I've always hated coaches that let veterans, or upperclassmen(in college), make mistake after mistake, bad shots, dumb plays, or get burned consistently on D continue to play like nothing happened, while at the same time instantly pulling a younger player after a single mistake!  Talk about setting bad examples, and killing a players confidence! No more grievous circumstance, IMO.
More than any other player last nite, RR was torched so many times on D, he could have lit up the whole city! Pressey---Turner---JG---AB were all horrible, but not as bad as Rondo!  He hardly even attempts to play D anymore!  He still gets more than his share of steals, however, because he gambles so much!
When the whole team is playing so badly, don't yank JYoung just causes he's a rookie!!  Coach them thru their mistakes!
And, what, you can't put JY and DP in for the last 2/3 minutes when your hopelessly down----come on BS, you're better than that!!

No way...  JY was clearly lost man.   I saw, coach saw it, and you can tell the 4 guys on the floor saw it.   He has to earn it.  In practice.  I trust BS and Anige more the GM on Celtics Blog.   Thats why they get paid the big bucks!   

[LarBrd33]

He'll get his opportunity eventually.  Pretty cool he's made his first 4 NBA shot attempts.