Rondo, yes or no

[wayupnorth]

Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

The lack of insight around here from a few select posters, never ceases to amaze me.

[Kc2135]

I think we have to try and keep him. He gets a lot of easy shots for all the guys but really for players like Zeller who don't really create their own offense. Plus, I believe he brings out the best Jeff Green we have. Also, it's really hard to find an unselfish star.

[Celtics18]

Yes.

The fact that we have his Bird rights is huge.  I'm of the opinion that if we can re-sign Rondo and add a top notch free agent center, that we will be back in contention.

Presto

About nine months until the summer of Marc.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Yes.

The fact that we have his Bird rights is huge.  I'm of the opinion that if we can re-sign Rondo and add a top notch free agent center, that we will be back in contention.

Presto

About nine months until the summer of Marc.

What is being missed in this whole discussion of whether Rondo is a Max player or not, is that next year (until he signs the contract) his cap hold is just $16.4 million.

That means that even if we want to pay Rondo $20 million a year, we simply have to hold off on making the deal official until we get another quality player on the team without having a reduced buying power by paying Rondo max level money until then.

[Celtics18]

Yes.

The fact that we have his Bird rights is huge.  I'm of the opinion that if we can re-sign Rondo and add a top notch free agent center, that we will be back in contention.

Presto

About nine months until the summer of Marc.

What is being missed in this whole discussion of whether Rondo is a Max player or not, is that next year (until he signs the contract) his cap hold is just $16.4 million.

That means that even if we want to pay Rondo $20 million a year, we simply have to hold off on making the deal official until we get another quality player on the team without having a reduced buying power by paying Rondo max level money until then.

It's not being missed by me.  Thus, my point that we can afford to sign another big money free agent this summer and re-sign Rondo.

Continuing to be a good team this year will be crucial in making that dream a reality,though.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Yes.

The fact that we have his Bird rights is huge.  I'm of the opinion that if we can re-sign Rondo and add a top notch free agent center, that we will be back in contention.

Presto

About nine months until the summer of Marc.

What is being missed in this whole discussion of whether Rondo is a Max player or not, is that next year (until he signs the contract) his cap hold is just $16.4 million.

That means that even if we want to pay Rondo $20 million a year, we simply have to hold off on making the deal official until we get another quality player on the team without having a reduced buying power by paying Rondo max level money until then.

It's not being missed by me.  Thus, my point that we can afford to sign another big money free agent this summer and re-sign Rondo.

Continuing to be a good team this year will be crucial in making that dream a reality,though.

Didn't mean you, but in general... that's never been part of the discussion. It's always been about how much to pay Rondo without taking into account how much he affects the salary cap in reality (until a deal becomes official of course).

And for those that don't understand, that means we can pay Rondo even if we go over the cap, even if we use cap space to sign free-agents.

[DarkAzcura]

Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Your post is so divorced from reality that it's very hard to take you seriously. Well, nothing new on that regard.

Basically i feel the same way with your rondo fan boy, rondo can do no wrong out of reality posts

Let's dissect your claims:

Defense? Well, I've never been a fan of his defense as it is, but mediocre and soft is pushing it quite a bit.

Jump shot? At this point, who cares... you know after coming EARLY from hand fracture and surgery. Get back at me later in the season.

Near triple doubles... AWESOME! Add some actual triple doubles to that.

Teams assist numbers suffer... and yet we're leading the league in assists.

Team defense suffers vs what alternative? I think your binky Kelly Olynyk is a much bigger problem defensively, yet you gloss over that and you easily overlook it. So, can we be a bit consistent?

Losses keep piling up... overall we're 3-3 for the season, and if you've told me that would be our record after 6 games after playing 6 teams from last years playoffs that are a combined 24-14 I'd say we've been doing quite well actually.

Our 3 losses? Well they come from teams that are currently a combined 15-4.

Yeah, TERRIBLE!

If you dont call not willing to fight through picks soft, what else are you calling it? He goes under the picks 80 percent of the time. He doesnt play tough man to man D also.

In terms of team passing,look at our team passing totals when rondo plays(minus rondo passes) vs when rondo does not play. Guys like KO, ET, Green , Sully assist totals all increase by a couple of points.

Is this a serious post? Do I even need to explain why this is the case? Obviously everyone else's assist totals will go down with the best playmaking PG in the league out there. The overall team assist numbers haven't, though, which is most important.

[Chris22]

Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Rondo is a less than average point guard at this point in his career.

[rondohondo]

Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Rondo is a less than average point guard at this point in his career.

and you are just an annoying troll at this point in your life

[TheFlex]

Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Rondo is a less than average point guard at this point in his career.

Wow.

[LarBrd33]

I don't even know anymore.  Rondo puts up some pretty impressive stats.  He's averaging nearly a triple double.  He's my favorite player on the team.  I'd like to keep watching him.  I just have two long-standing concerns.

#1 - If we have another season like last year (25-30 wins) and let Rondo to reach free agency, I don't think Boston is the frontrunner to sign him.

#2 - I think Rondo needs a specific system and collection of talent put in place in order for the team to be successful.  He does some things super well (running an offense and finding open men), but I still wonder how much his negatives negate his positives.  For three years we've seen evidence to suggest that removing Rondo from the equation doesn't negatively impact the team nearly as much as people assume.  We watched as Rondo got injured and then the sub .500 Celtics rallied to make the playoffs.  We very clearly saw the team start sharing the ball and watched as Paul Pierce was able to pick up the slack.  Last year, the team went 6-24 with him on the court... which would have been a 16 win pace.  We saw how having a mildly competent shooter like Jordan Crawford out there seemed to cancel out the negative effects of missing Rondo's playmaking ability.   Last night, we watched as Evan Turner and Marcus Thornton (neither of which have Rondo's play-making ability) were able to cancel out the ill effects by making shots.  Scalabrine even commented on air that the spacing was better than it had been all season.   We can choose to ignore this stuff... and some of Rondo's greatest supporters will be quick to bash these anecdotes as nonsensical.  Maybe they are right.  I don't know.  It's just interesting.  I asked a hypothetical question on the forum recently... what would happen if you replaced Rondo with Roy Hibbert?  Rondo is widely considered to be a better player, I seem to think that elite post defense is a more important skill than elite passing.   The lone answer I received was that the team would be much worse.  I'm not sure that's true, though.  I think it depends on what other players you have on the team.   Rondo is an awesome player... I don't think you could simply add him to any team and watch them get better, though.

All that said, we've surrounded Rondo with 4 guys who can shoot (Bradley, Green, Sully and Oly).  From an offense standpoint, this might be a pretty good roster for Rondo to play with.

[GetLucky]

I don't even know anymore.  Rondo puts up some pretty impressive stats.  He's averaging nearly a triple double.  He's my favorite player on the team.  I'd like to keep watching him.  I just have two long-standing concerns.

#1 - If we have another season like last year (25-30 wins) and let Rondo to reach free agency, I don't think Boston is the frontrunner to sign him.

#2 - I think Rondo needs a specific system and collection of talent put in place in order for the team to be successful.  He does some things super well (running an offense and finding open men), but I still wonder how much his negatives negate his positives.  For three years we've seen evidence to suggest that removing Rondo from the equation doesn't negatively impact the team nearly as much as people assume.  We watched as Rondo got injured and then the sub .500 Celtics rallied to make the playoffs.  We very clearly saw the team start sharing the ball and watched as Paul Pierce was able to pick up the slack.  Last year, the team went 6-24 with him on the court... which would have been a 16 win pace.  We saw how having a mildly competent shooter like Jordan Crawford out there seemed to cancel out the negative effects of missing Rondo's playmaking ability.   Last night, we watched as Evan Turner and Marcus Thornton (neither of which have Rondo's play-making ability) were able to cancel out the ill effects by making shots.  Scalabrine even commented on air that the spacing was better than it had been all season.   We can choose to ignore this stuff... and some of Rondo's greatest supporters will be quick to bash these anecdotes as nonsensical.  Maybe they are right.  I don't know.  It's just interesting.  I asked a hypothetical question on the forum recently... what would happen if you replaced Rondo with Roy Hibbert?  Rondo is widely considered to be a better player, I seem to think that elite post defense is a more important skill than elite passing.   The lone answer I received was that the team would be much worse.  I'm not sure that's true, though.  I think it depends on what other players you have on the team.   Rondo is an awesome player... I don't think you could simply add him to any team and watch them get better, though.

All that said, we've surrounded Rondo with 4 guys who can shoot (Bradley, Green, Sully and Oly).  From an offense standpoint, this might be a pretty good roster for Rondo to play with.

TP for being one of the only posters to reply objectively and without complete bias. I know you have not been the biggest Rondo proponent historically, but much of what you said is true and unbiased.

[GreenFaith1819]

Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Rondo is a less than average point guard at this point in his career.

At this point, it's obvious..."Humor"...... because Trolling is not allowed on CelticsBlog. You're obviously posting in such a way to get a response.

You may be a Laker fan in disguise, being egged on by some of your Purp & Gold peers to cause mayhem here, and it's working LOL.

My response to your Rondo-Average post is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k

[slamtheking]

Triboy's 3rd account 'Rosco917'
aka Playdream.

Dude give it a rest for god's sake it's so obvious what you're doing.

Ha, had my actually LOL'ing on that  --- TP

[GreenFaith1819]

Triboy's 3rd account 'Rosco917'
aka Playdream.

Dude give it a rest for god's sake it's so obvious what you're doing.

Ha, had my actually LOL'ing on that  --- TP

Wow this actually makes sense, now.

He should have only one account...definitely breaking rules to have more than one.