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Rondo, yes or no
« on: November 09, 2014, 11:24:30 AM »

Offline Rosco917

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The celtics have a huge decision to make in reference to Rondo. He is such a polarizing figure, even on this site!
Some see him as a special talent, and the PG to build around, others don't like his game or him.

I like some parts of his game.
great passer, his ball handling are a plus, he's a good rebounder, good speed and quickness, he runs the team well...or does he?

His domination of the ball at certain times, when there not pushing the pace, grinds the offense to a halt. "ball pounding" All this from a PG that most agree, can't shoot, (but yes, scores a little). He certainly gets assists, but when he gets assists does it come at the expense of team assists? He gets 16, the team gets 6. (We have forwards that can really pass on this team)

He is far below average at the free throw line, not good, from a man with the ball in his hands so often, and at critical times too.
He can defend, or can he...sometimes he just plays free safety, looking for steals, is this a bad thing?

What I'm getting at is, he has some really positive skills, and some really weak traits, sometimes when the ball is in his hands, the team gets predictable. He's easy to prepare for when the game gets down to crunch time. (If you need the ball back with 20 seconds on the clock...play tough D on him, foul Rondo.)

All this said...I want to be a Rondo supporter and believe he is this teams leader and star. I really do. Is he a top 5 PG really? Should they keep promoting him as this special talent, old school PG, and then trade him at the dead line? When I see real pace and ball movement, like in Chicago saturday night, sometimes I quietly wonder.   

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 11:47:43 AM »

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Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2014, 11:49:46 AM »

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Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Your post is so divorced from reality that it's very hard to take you seriously. Well, nothing new on that regard.

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2014, 11:50:48 AM »

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Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2014, 11:51:54 AM »

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Was the other three active rondo threads not enough? 

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2014, 11:55:34 AM »

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Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Your post is so divorced from reality that it's very hard to take you seriously. Well, nothing new on that regard.

Basically i feel the same way with your rondo fan boy, rondo can do no wrong out of reality posts

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 11:59:52 AM »

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Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2014, 12:06:49 PM »

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Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Your post is so divorced from reality that it's very hard to take you seriously. Well, nothing new on that regard.

Basically i feel the same way with your rondo fan boy, rondo can do no wrong out of reality posts

If you think I'm a Rondo fan boy you have no clue about my opinion on him.

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2014, 12:19:48 PM »

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Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Your post is so divorced from reality that it's very hard to take you seriously. Well, nothing new on that regard.

Basically i feel the same way with your rondo fan boy, rondo can do no wrong out of reality posts

Let's dissect your claims:

Defense? Well, I've never been a fan of his defense as it is, but mediocre and soft is pushing it quite a bit.

Jump shot? At this point, who cares... you know after coming EARLY from hand fracture and surgery. Get back at me later in the season.

Near triple doubles... AWESOME! Add some actual triple doubles to that.

Teams assist numbers suffer... and yet we're leading the league in assists.

Team defense suffers vs what alternative? I think your binky Kelly Olynyk is a much bigger problem defensively, yet you gloss over that and you easily overlook it. So, can we be a bit consistent?

Losses keep piling up... overall we're 3-3 for the season, and if you've told me that would be our record after 6 games after playing 6 teams from last years playoffs that are a combined 24-14 I'd say we've been doing quite well actually.

Our 3 losses? Well they come from teams that are currently a combined 15-4.

Yeah, TERRIBLE!

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2014, 12:25:18 PM »

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Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2014, 12:39:32 PM »

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Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Your post is so divorced from reality that it's very hard to take you seriously. Well, nothing new on that regard.

Basically i feel the same way with your rondo fan boy, rondo can do no wrong out of reality posts

Let's dissect your claims:

Defense? Well, I've never been a fan of his defense as it is, but mediocre and soft is pushing it quite a bit.

Jump shot? At this point, who cares... you know after coming EARLY from hand fracture and surgery. Get back at me later in the season.

Near triple doubles... AWESOME! Add some actual triple doubles to that.

Teams assist numbers suffer... and yet we're leading the league in assists.

Team defense suffers vs what alternative? I think your binky Kelly Olynyk is a much bigger problem defensively, yet you gloss over that and you easily overlook it. So, can we be a bit consistent?

Losses keep piling up... overall we're 3-3 for the season, and if you've told me that would be our record after 6 games after playing 6 teams from last years playoffs that are a combined 24-14 I'd say we've been doing quite well actually.

Our 3 losses? Well they come from teams that are currently a combined 15-4.

Yeah, TERRIBLE!

If you dont call not willing to fight through picks soft, what else are you calling it? He goes under the picks 80 percent of the time. He doesnt play tough man to man D also.

In terms of team passing,look at our team passing totals when rondo plays(minus rondo passes) vs when rondo does not play. Guys like KO, ET, Green , Sully assist totals all increase by a couple of points.   



Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2014, 12:41:21 PM »

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Dude give it a rest for god's sake it's so obvious what you're doing.

Dont be foolish. Not everyone is a Rondo fan boy

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2014, 12:41:34 PM »

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Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2014, 12:43:24 PM »

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Good points. The truth. 

No to Rondo. I thought he would change this season but its the same crap again. Mediocre, lazy, soft defense and  his jump shot has not really improved. Near triple doubles for him,  team assist numbers suffer, team defense suffers and losses keep piling up

Your post is so divorced from reality that it's very hard to take you seriously. Well, nothing new on that regard.

Basically i feel the same way with your rondo fan boy, rondo can do no wrong out of reality posts

Let's dissect your claims:

Defense? Well, I've never been a fan of his defense as it is, but mediocre and soft is pushing it quite a bit.

Jump shot? At this point, who cares... you know after coming EARLY from hand fracture and surgery. Get back at me later in the season.

Near triple doubles... AWESOME! Add some actual triple doubles to that.

Teams assist numbers suffer... and yet we're leading the league in assists.

Team defense suffers vs what alternative? I think your binky Kelly Olynyk is a much bigger problem defensively, yet you gloss over that and you easily overlook it. So, can we be a bit consistent?

Losses keep piling up... overall we're 3-3 for the season, and if you've told me that would be our record after 6 games after playing 6 teams from last years playoffs that are a combined 24-14 I'd say we've been doing quite well actually.

Our 3 losses? Well they come from teams that are currently a combined 15-4.

Yeah, TERRIBLE!

If you dont call not willing to fight through picks soft, what else are you calling it? He goes under the picks 80 percent of the time. He doesnt play tough man to man D also.

In terms of team passing,look at our team passing totals when rondo plays(minus rondo passes) vs when rondo does not play. Guys like KO, ET, Green , Sully assist totals all increase by a couple of points.   

Not going to debate the subjectiveness of defense with you, not going to bother.

But you keep bringing up the assist totals, once again WE ARE LEADING THE LEAGUE IN ASSISTS, yet you want to focus on individual stats? Give me a break.

So, by your argument we should avoid good rebounders, since you know, they'll limit what our other players can grab.

Good analysis.

Re: Rondo, yes or no
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2014, 12:54:46 PM »

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