NBA Season 2014-2015

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In before, "Giannis Atentkoumpo is a god" that Danny missed out on! (I actually watched the game)

I hope KO has a big game......

So do I...

I mean, Giannis is scoring all of 2 points more than KO, he must have so many more big games under his belt.

He scored well but the Bucks were better tonight without him, he let Barnes have any and every point he wanted. Kidd did right by subbing him out b/c Barnes was lighting him up, would have cost them the game. I see KO called out on D all the time (rightfully so) but someone seeing Giannis pick up 20pts wont mention his defense, once. 

My comment had nothing to do with a comparison between the two, only to comment on how people exaggerate what he is doing. Since you wanted to make the comparison, I'll go there with you. Like I said last time, I would have picked Giannis b.c I didn't know much about KO at all but I can't stand all the puffing of chests about something that isn't in line with reality! He is a solid player but the person y'all make him out to be isn't the guy playing yet.

It's not about scoring 2 more points or stats when it's about young players. It's about Giannis' point guard ability at 6'9 along with the wing span, the motor, the leaping ability, the first step, the wide strides, the defense, pinpoint no look passes, the smarts and the toughness. If he somehow manages to max out his potential, you will see a superstar the likes of KD.

On the other hand, if you put together all of KO's potential skills together and max it out, he becomes 70% maybe 80% of what Dirk is.

Or Giannis may be Luc Richard Mah Moute 2.0.

Luc entered the league at 22 , same as KO. Giannis entered at 19. Luc didnt have the handles, the motor and the vision at 22 that Giannis has now at 20. Also the excitement and hype comes from his MAX potential. If he maxes out he wont be luc 2.0.

[Endless Paradise]

Antetokounmpo's already shown more ability in his one and one-fourth seasons than Mbah a Moute has shown throughout his entire career.

Not that I have a horse in this "future star or not" race, but Mbah a Moute 2.0, he is not and will not be.  Not anymore so than Olynyk will be Shavlik Randolph 2.0.

[Rondo9]

In before, "Giannis Atentkoumpo is a god" that Danny missed out on! (I actually watched the game)

I hope KO has a big game......

So do I...

I mean, Giannis is scoring all of 2 points more than KO, he must have so many more big games under his belt.

He scored well but the Bucks were better tonight without him, he let Barnes have any and every point he wanted. Kidd did right by subbing him out b/c Barnes was lighting him up, would have cost them the game. I see KO called out on D all the time (rightfully so) but someone seeing Giannis pick up 20pts wont mention his defense, once. 

My comment had nothing to do with a comparison between the two, only to comment on how people exaggerate what he is doing. Since you wanted to make the comparison, I'll go there with you. Like I said last time, I would have picked Giannis b.c I didn't know much about KO at all but I can't stand all the puffing of chests about something that isn't in line with reality! He is a solid player but the person y'all make him out to be isn't the guy playing yet.

It's not about scoring 2 more points or stats when it's about young players. It's about Giannis' point guard ability at 6'9 along with the wing span, the motor, the leaping ability, the first step, the wide strides, the defense, pinpoint no look passes, the smarts and the toughness. If he somehow manages to max out his potential, you will see a superstar the likes of KD.

On the other hand, if you put together all of KO's potential skills together and max it out, he becomes 70% maybe 80% of what Dirk is.

Or Giannis may be Luc Richard Mah Moute 2.0.

Luc entered the league at 22 , same as KO. Giannis entered at 19. Luc didnt have handles, the motor and the vision at 22 that Giannis has now at 20. Also the excitement and hype comes from his MAX potential. If he maxes out he wont be luc 2.0.

If Giannis becomes a superstar then I'll be shocked. I really do not see the Kevin Durant potential and like I said If he became that said player I'll be shocked.

[Rondo9]

Antetokounmpo's already shown more ability in his one and one-fourth seasons than Mbah a Moute has shown throughout his entire career.

Not that I have a horse in this "future star or not" race, but Mbah a Moute 2.0, he is not and will not be.  Not anymore so than Olynyk will be Shavlik Randolph 2.0.

Tell it to the people every time Olynyk has a bad game. 

[staticcc]

There is a lot of subjectivity when it comes to fans' perspectives of course. If we had Giannis and the Bucks had KO and they're performing the same as they are now, the tone will be much different in Celtics forums.

All part of the experience of being a fan I guess. You want your team's players to be more successful over the other team's.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

In before, "Giannis Atentkoumpo is a god" that Danny missed out on! (I actually watched the game)

I hope KO has a big game......

So do I...

I mean, Giannis is scoring all of 2 points more than KO, he must have so many more big games under his belt.

He scored well but the Bucks were better tonight without him, he let Barnes have any and every point he wanted. Kidd did right by subbing him out b/c Barnes was lighting him up, would have cost them the game. I see KO called out on D all the time (rightfully so) but someone seeing Giannis pick up 20pts wont mention his defense, once. 

My comment had nothing to do with a comparison between the two, only to comment on how people exaggerate what he is doing. Since you wanted to make the comparison, I'll go there with you. Like I said last time, I would have picked Giannis b.c I didn't know much about KO at all but I can't stand all the puffing of chests about something that isn't in line with reality! He is a solid player but the person y'all make him out to be isn't the guy playing yet.

It's not about scoring 2 more points or stats when it's about young players. It's about Giannis' point guard ability at 6'9 along with the wing span, the motor, the leaping ability, the first step, the wide strides, the defense, pinpoint no look passes, the smarts and the toughness. If he somehow manages to max out his potential, you will see a superstar the likes of KD.

On the other hand, if you put together all of KO's potential skills together and max it out, he becomes 70% maybe 80% of what Dirk is.

So we're talking about facts or hopes? I see Giannis' potential, I would have picked him and I was sure he was the pick at the time. I'm not talking future here, I am talking about right NOW!

If I was talking future, I would agree that Giannis has the look of a better player than KO, I would have taken the chance on Giannis during the draft b/c I think he could end up being better than a lot of people picked ahead of him.

Again, I am talking what has gone on thus far, he has NOT BEEN BETTER in comparison to KO. Defensively he has potential b/c of his natural attributes and he may be a good defender right now for all I know, I haven't checked any stats, he doesn't look like anything amazing on defense at this point (to me) but I don't know how he will end up. KO stinks on D, I'll give you that but you need to show me that Giannis is so much better on D for me to really care. I see you mentioned Giannis' ability as a PG at 6'9, that's good and all, but it's not like he is out assisting KO who is 7ft.

I know you guys love Giannis (I like him, even though people on the board could make someone dislike him) but don't come at me as if you have any PROOF TODAY that he is better than KO. The reason Giannis will probably end up better isn't all about the physical, it's probably going to come down to Giannis having the mindset of being the man and age/time, while KO is content being one of the guys. Bird wasn't a physical specimen but he let it be known to all of his opponents that he was the man and he played that way.

[staticcc]

In before, "Giannis Atentkoumpo is a god" that Danny missed out on! (I actually watched the game)

I hope KO has a big game......

So do I...

I mean, Giannis is scoring all of 2 points more than KO, he must have so many more big games under his belt.

He scored well but the Bucks were better tonight without him, he let Barnes have any and every point he wanted. Kidd did right by subbing him out b/c Barnes was lighting him up, would have cost them the game. I see KO called out on D all the time (rightfully so) but someone seeing Giannis pick up 20pts wont mention his defense, once. 

My comment had nothing to do with a comparison between the two, only to comment on how people exaggerate what he is doing. Since you wanted to make the comparison, I'll go there with you. Like I said last time, I would have picked Giannis b.c I didn't know much about KO at all but I can't stand all the puffing of chests about something that isn't in line with reality! He is a solid player but the person y'all make him out to be isn't the guy playing yet.

It's not about scoring 2 more points or stats when it's about young players. It's about Giannis' point guard ability at 6'9 along with the wing span, the motor, the leaping ability, the first step, the wide strides, the defense, pinpoint no look passes, the smarts and the toughness. If he somehow manages to max out his potential, you will see a superstar the likes of KD.

On the other hand, if you put together all of KO's potential skills together and max it out, he becomes 70% maybe 80% of what Dirk is.

So we're talking about facts or hopes? I see Giannis' potential, I would have picked him and I was sure he was the pick at the time. I'm not talking future here, I am talking about right NOW!

If I was talking future, I would agree that Giannis has the look of a better player than KO, I would have taken the chance on Giannis during the draft b/c I think he could end up being better than a lot of people picked ahead of him.

Again, I am talking what has gone on thus far, he has NOT BEEN BETTER in comparison to KO. Defensively he has potential b/c of his natural attributes and he may be a good defender right now for all I know, I haven't checked any stats, he doesn't look like anything amazing on defense at this point (to me) but I don't know how he will end up. KO stinks on D, I'll give you that but you need to show me that Giannis is so much better on D for me to really care. I see you mentioned Giannis' ability as a PG at 6'9, that's good and all, but it's not like he is out assisting KO who is 7ft.

I know you guys love Giannis (I like him, even though people on the board could make someone dislike him) but don't come at me as if you have any PROOF TODAY that he is better than KO. The reason Giannis will probably end up better isn't all about the physical, it's probably going to come down to Giannis having the mindset of being the man and age/time, while KO is content being one of the guys. Bird wasn't a physical specimen but he let it be known to all of his opponents that he was the man and he played that way.

Talking about Giannis' and KO's games only TODAY while discounting the future when their careers may have 8+ years left is not justified. It is second nature for fans and NBA front offices especially, to project future performance of young players. It's not like they're in their mid 30s with no chance of growth. The whole picture of what these players are and what they may become for their teams has to be taken into account. Not doing it is short-sighted for NBA franchises that will continue to operate after today and this year.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

There is a lot of subjectivity when it comes to fans' perspectives of course. If we had Giannis and the Bucks had KO and they're performing the same as they are now, the tone will be much different in Celtics forums.

All part of the experience of being a fan I guess. You want your team's players to be more successful over the other team's.

See, this is you clumping everyone together. I don't care if KO is better than Giannis, I just want KO to be the best he can for us even it means he isn't better. The only problem I have is people calling KO trash or downing what KO does all while speaking of Giannis like he is the greatest thing since sliced bread! If Giannis TODAY was so much better than KO, I wouldn't be bothered... he isn't yet, so here I am.

I don't need Green to better than LeBron, I need Green to be HIS best for us. Being better or as good is always a plus but I don't spend time thinking that way, the most I think about our guys vs an opponent is when we play them or when people on these boards put them vs our guys. I really only care how people play as long as they are a Celtics or if I like them. I watch Giannis/Bucks games b.c I think he is a solid young player who I wanted during the draft and to watch Jabari (wasn't thrilled with his play at Duke, he was aiight). I watch PP, Lillard, Cousins just because I like them... I'm not thinking about them when it comes to us until we play them, then I hate all of them until the game is done LOL.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

In before, "Giannis Atentkoumpo is a god" that Danny missed out on! (I actually watched the game)

I hope KO has a big game......

So do I...

I mean, Giannis is scoring all of 2 points more than KO, he must have so many more big games under his belt.

He scored well but the Bucks were better tonight without him, he let Barnes have any and every point he wanted. Kidd did right by subbing him out b/c Barnes was lighting him up, would have cost them the game. I see KO called out on D all the time (rightfully so) but someone seeing Giannis pick up 20pts wont mention his defense, once. 

My comment had nothing to do with a comparison between the two, only to comment on how people exaggerate what he is doing. Since you wanted to make the comparison, I'll go there with you. Like I said last time, I would have picked Giannis b.c I didn't know much about KO at all but I can't stand all the puffing of chests about something that isn't in line with reality! He is a solid player but the person y'all make him out to be isn't the guy playing yet.

It's not about scoring 2 more points or stats when it's about young players. It's about Giannis' point guard ability at 6'9 along with the wing span, the motor, the leaping ability, the first step, the wide strides, the defense, pinpoint no look passes, the smarts and the toughness. If he somehow manages to max out his potential, you will see a superstar the likes of KD.

On the other hand, if you put together all of KO's potential skills together and max it out, he becomes 70% maybe 80% of what Dirk is.

So we're talking about facts or hopes? I see Giannis' potential, I would have picked him and I was sure he was the pick at the time. I'm not talking future here, I am talking about right NOW!

If I was talking future, I would agree that Giannis has the look of a better player than KO, I would have taken the chance on Giannis during the draft b/c I think he could end up being better than a lot of people picked ahead of him.

Again, I am talking what has gone on thus far, he has NOT BEEN BETTER in comparison to KO. Defensively he has potential b/c of his natural attributes and he may be a good defender right now for all I know, I haven't checked any stats, he doesn't look like anything amazing on defense at this point (to me) but I don't know how he will end up. KO stinks on D, I'll give you that but you need to show me that Giannis is so much better on D for me to really care. I see you mentioned Giannis' ability as a PG at 6'9, that's good and all, but it's not like he is out assisting KO who is 7ft.

I know you guys love Giannis (I like him, even though people on the board could make someone dislike him) but don't come at me as if you have any PROOF TODAY that he is better than KO. The reason Giannis will probably end up better isn't all about the physical, it's probably going to come down to Giannis having the mindset of being the man and age/time, while KO is content being one of the guys. Bird wasn't a physical specimen but he let it be known to all of his opponents that he was the man and he played that way.

Talking about Giannis' and KO's games only TODAY while discounting the future when their careers may have 8+ years left is not justified. It is second nature for fans and NBA front offices especially, to project future performance of young players. It's not like they're in their mid 30s with no chance of growth. The whole picture of what these players are and what they may become for their teams has to be taken into account. Not doing it is short-sighted for NBA franchises that will continue to operate after today and this year.

Haha, you don't work for the NBA. If I did, sure I would take Giannis based off of what I think can be done in the future. That isn't what all these threads are about though (not this one, we highjacked it), they call KO bad as if Giannis is so much better after good or bad games by each. It's not a coincidence that you never see the threads when KO has a good game or when Giannis has a subpar one. They make threads saying Danny made a mistake, how can you decide that when their careers have just started and neither have outplayed the other? Yea, it will probably end up that DA should have chosen Giannis but that doesn't mean KO wasn't a good pick, you could do that with ANY draft for any team!

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't want to start a new thread but I wonder how many people think BKN should be bad this year for them to be disbanded or good enough this season to give BKN false hope so they fall apart next season.

I'm thinking that if they give false hope, they could add a player to make them contenders next season and mess up our pick. I say, stink now and take my chances that they don't find a better TEAM next season. I think it's easier to add a few pieces than trade good pieces and try to win straight away. I don't think they will get great pieces from the good players they have now, not pieces ready to win now.

Feeling this way is why I don't watch and cheer for KG, I don't want them to play well... it's hard b/c I love Genie!



One more thing I have always wondered, do teams try to put out even an average team to prevent another team they owe a pick to from getting a good pick. Do teams send out teams just good enough to make the playoffs so they don't give a team a lottery pick and make it a 16th or worse pick?  If I had to give up an unprotected pick, I would make sure I put out a team who would at least make the playoffs so I don't give up a really good pick... yeah, I lose the pick but you aren't getting LeBron or AD off of me unless you get a luck of all luck late pick superstar.

[mgent]

I know you guys love Giannis (I like him, even though people on the board could make someone dislike him)

Haha Shak, sad but true.

[Adelaide Celt]

3 Laker wins in a row makes Magic:

[Vox_Populi]

I always feel better about this team after watching New York. But then I feel bad because Boston lost to them.

[D.o.s.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M01_ykXJ3mc

[fairweatherfan]

I am really excited to be going to the Memphis-Golden St game tomorrow night.  It's gonna be a good one I think.  And I'm looking forward to seeing if the Grizzlies arena music is as good as it's cracked up to be.