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Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2014, 08:46:07 PM »

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(though I will acknowledge that Iguodala's role in a new offense under a new coach may shift considerably)

But still, I think they'd sooner trade Barnes (who simply just doesn't seem like he'll be able to fully blossom with that team) and Lee (who's merely an expensive luxury at this point) than even consider moving Iggy.

If the Warriors trade Barnes then I would love for the Celtics to get him.

Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2014, 09:07:31 PM »

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--stalling-contract-talks-between-thompson--warriors-causing-frustration--201359342.html

Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on the Klay Thompson situation.

I would think a deal probably gets done as I know (or at least I thought) GW thinks highly of Thompson (so much so that they didn't deal him for K-Love.)

But, if things fall through, Thomphons would be a great shooting guard next to Rondo because he can score.

Only reason why I included Iguodala's name in the title is because if the Warriors do secure Klay, would Iguodala's contract become a casualty and if so, would he be a good Celts target?

I think he'd be another good running mate alongside Rondo.

You add a Deandre Jordan next summer and this becomes a fun team

Rondo/Smart
Bradley or Thompson
Iggy or Jeff Green
Sully/Olynyk
Jordan.

No matter what anyone says Klay is going to be resigned.

What if Thompson hasn't been signed by the trade deadline and the Celts swoop in and offer Avery Bradley and our unprotected 2015 1st?

Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2014, 09:57:14 PM »

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If they didn't trade him for Kevin Love, I really doubt they're going to be moved by the premise of replacing Thompson with Avery Bradley.  Even with a pick as a sweetener.

Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2014, 09:57:51 PM »

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--stalling-contract-talks-between-thompson--warriors-causing-frustration--201359342.html

Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on the Klay Thompson situation.

I would think a deal probably gets done as I know (or at least I thought) GW thinks highly of Thompson (so much so that they didn't deal him for K-Love.)

But, if things fall through, Thomphons would be a great shooting guard next to Rondo because he can score.

Only reason why I included Iguodala's name in the title is because if the Warriors do secure Klay, would Iguodala's contract become a casualty and if so, would he be a good Celts target?

I think he'd be another good running mate alongside Rondo.

You add a Deandre Jordan next summer and this becomes a fun team

Rondo/Smart
Bradley or Thompson
Iggy or Jeff Green
Sully/Olynyk
Jordan.

No matter what anyone says Klay is going to be resigned.

What if Thompson hasn't been signed by the trade deadline and the Celts swoop in and offer Avery Bradley and our unprotected 2015 1st?

GSW starts laughing long after the phone call has ended.

Celtics would have to at least offer one or two extra picks. I would love to have Thompson on this team though. A back court of Rondo and Thompson would be deadly.
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Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2014, 09:59:19 PM »

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If they didn't trade him for Kevin Love, I really doubt they're going to be moved by the premise of replacing Thompson with Avery Bradley.  Even with a pick as a sweetener.

Agreed, but that said if you consider the alleged premise of the reason the didn't trade him was because they saw Thompson as too important in his role as a defender alongside Curry,  then Bradley is not that far fetched of an option for them to consider... which was their biggest worry.

Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2014, 10:05:22 PM »

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If they didn't trade him for Kevin Love, I really doubt they're going to be moved by the premise of replacing Thompson with Avery Bradley.  Even with a pick as a sweetener.

Agreed, but that said if you consider the alleged premise of the reason the didn't trade him was because they saw Thompson as too important in his role as a defender alongside Curry,  then Bradley is not that far fetched of an option for them to consider... which was their biggest worry.

GSW has relied on Klay and Curry as their offense. Why break up the spectacular 3 point shooting for a guard that's undersized, and isnt even a upgrade over Klay?
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Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2014, 10:09:25 PM »

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--stalling-contract-talks-between-thompson--warriors-causing-frustration--201359342.html

Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on the Klay Thompson situation.

I would think a deal probably gets done as I know (or at least I thought) GW thinks highly of Thompson (so much so that they didn't deal him for K-Love.)

But, if things fall through, Thomphons would be a great shooting guard next to Rondo because he can score.

Only reason why I included Iguodala's name in the title is because if the Warriors do secure Klay, would Iguodala's contract become a casualty and if so, would he be a good Celts target?

I think he'd be another good running mate alongside Rondo.

You add a Deandre Jordan next summer and this becomes a fun team

Rondo/Smart
Bradley or Thompson
Iggy or Jeff Green
Sully/Olynyk
Jordan.

No matter what anyone says Klay is going to be resigned.

What if Thompson hasn't been signed by the trade deadline and the Celts swoop in and offer Avery Bradley and our unprotected 2015 1st?

GSW starts laughing long after the phone call has ended.

Celtics would have to at least offer one or two extra picks. I would love to have Thompson on this team though. A back court of Rondo and Thompson would be deadly.

Yes it would be.

Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2014, 10:26:14 PM »

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Yeah I don't think that trade's particularly reasonable/realistic, but Thompson would be a solid SG for sure.
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Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2014, 10:45:02 PM »

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If they didn't trade him for Kevin Love, I really doubt they're going to be moved by the premise of replacing Thompson with Avery Bradley.  Even with a pick as a sweetener.

Agreed, but that said if you consider the alleged premise of the reason the didn't trade him was because they saw Thompson as too important in his role as a defender alongside Curry,  then Bradley is not that far fetched of an option for them to consider... which was their biggest worry.

GSW has relied on Klay and Curry as their offense. Why break up the spectacular 3 point shooting for a guard that's undersized, and isnt even a upgrade over Klay?

You're assuming that I think they would. We're discussing from a hypothetical situation in which Thompson and the Warriors can't agree on a contract extension. If that were the case Bradley would certainly be a viable option to replace Thompson for the reasons already stated if we entertain the idea that Thompson will end up being too rich for them and they don't want to pay him.

In any case, for better or worse Thompson will be a restricted free-agent. He isn't going anywhere.

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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2014, 11:56:53 PM »

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(though I will acknowledge that Iguodala's role in a new offense under a new coach may shift considerably)

But still, I think they'd sooner trade Barnes (who simply just doesn't seem like he'll be able to fully blossom with that team) and Lee (who's merely an expensive luxury at this point) than even consider moving Iggy.

If the Warriors trade Barnes then I would love for the Celtics to get him.

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Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2014, 12:39:18 AM »

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Wow, if the warriors Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. it up badly enough that this ends up like Bledsoe, I'd definitely hope the C's would try and get him. Max S&T with AB, Sully or Olynyk, and two 1sts?

Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2014, 10:31:55 AM »

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I've been saying for years now that Iguodala would be the perfect SG beside Rondo and Green.  I think then we'd only be a Tyson Chandler type C away from being a contender. 

Really? Why? Iguodala isn't that good and he's not the best shooter around. Thompson is a much better fit, but obviously it's a real long shot to have him.

This is beyond laughable.

You do realize that Andre Iguodala is a career 15, 6, 5 and 2 guy shooting 46% from the field, right? When he was asked to be "The man" in Philly he responded by putting up 17-20 points a game and 5-6 rebounds and assists per year. When he was asked to be a role player his scoring went down but his assists and rebounds stayed fairly the same and he got better as a veteran leader and team defender.

Currently GSW doesn't need him to be the man and he is doing what he is asked and does it well. He averaged 9 points on only 7 shots a game last year and shot 48% from the field and 35% from three. On a team with scorers like Curry, Thompson, Lee, Bogut, and Barnes all getting high volume in shots, he has taken a backseat, not because he isn't that good but that what is going to help the team. This year he has even agreed to come off the bench if Kerr start Barnes just because Iggy would be a great 6th man option and be the best bench option for them.

Not only is his stat sheet impressive, but he has proven to be a near elite defender, an efficient playmaker, an efficient rebounder, and a good two way player throughout his career.

Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2014, 10:51:44 AM »

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Currently GSW doesn't need him to be the man and he is doing what he is asked and does it well. He averaged 9 points on only 7 shots a game last year and shot 48% from the field and 35% from three. On a team with scorers like Curry, Thompson, Lee, Bogut, and Barnes all getting high volume in shots, he has taken a backseat, not because he isn't that good but that what is going to help the team.

Iggy should shoot the ball more often. He is too talented an offensive player to be only taking 7 shot a game and scoring 9ppg. He needs to be up around 14-15ppg. Keep the defenses honest. He is being too unselfish to point of being passive on offense.

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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2014, 11:23:21 AM »

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I've been saying for years now that Iguodala would be the perfect SG beside Rondo and Green.  I think then we'd only be a Tyson Chandler type C away from being a contender. 

Really? Why? Iguodala isn't that good and he's not the best shooter around. Thompson is a much better fit, but obviously it's a real long shot to have him.

This is beyond laughable.

You do realize that Andre Iguodala is a career 15, 6, 5 and 2 guy shooting 46% from the field, right? When he was asked to be "The man" in Philly he responded by putting up 17-20 points a game and 5-6 rebounds and assists per year. When he was asked to be a role player his scoring went down but his assists and rebounds stayed fairly the same and he got better as a veteran leader and team defender.

Currently GSW doesn't need him to be the man and he is doing what he is asked and does it well. He averaged 9 points on only 7 shots a game last year and shot 48% from the field and 35% from three. On a team with scorers like Curry, Thompson, Lee, Bogut, and Barnes all getting high volume in shots, he has taken a backseat, not because he isn't that good but that what is going to help the team. This year he has even agreed to come off the bench if Kerr start Barnes just because Iggy would be a great 6th man option and be the best bench option for them.

Not only is his stat sheet impressive, but he has proven to be a near elite defender, an efficient playmaker, an efficient rebounder, and a good two way player throughout his career.

Thank you, I wasn't even going to respond to that post because I couldn't think of anything more appropriate than laughter.  Aside from LeBron/Durant/Melo, he's easily the next best SF in the league, and James Harden is probably the only SG better than him.  He's the closest all-around player to LeBron you're ever going to get.  If you look at how he impacts the Warriors on the court vs off the court, you'll find he's in a league of his own (I think even better than when KG was the only Celtics over 6'9").

I guess being one of the most fundamentally sound players in the league is "not that good" if you're not impacting the game in flashy ways.  Who wants Iguodala when you could have the Greek Freak?  You also have to have gone a LONG time without watching the NBA to think that Iggy still can't shoot.  He's averaged 35% from 3 for the past 4 years (nearly 40% one year), while attempting 3 per game, and 48% from the field last year despite GS forcing him to take half his shots from behind the arc.

After reading Eddie20's post and also seeing how he evaluates Rondo, I'm starting to think he completely disregards passing, defense, and rebounding before judging a player.
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Re: Klay Thompson or Andre Iguodala?
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2014, 11:35:20 AM »

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Currently GSW doesn't need him to be the man and he is doing what he is asked and does it well. He averaged 9 points on only 7 shots a game last year and shot 48% from the field and 35% from three. On a team with scorers like Curry, Thompson, Lee, Bogut, and Barnes all getting high volume in shots, he has taken a backseat, not because he isn't that good but that what is going to help the team.

Iggy should shoot the ball more often. He is too talented an offensive player to be only taking 7 shot a game and scoring 9ppg. He needs to be up around 14-15ppg. Keep the defenses honest. He is being too unselfish to point of being passive on offense.

I agree, he needs to play like he's played in the playoffs the past two years (step up the scoring and FTA).  I just wonder how much it has to do with him vs. the way Denver and GS have been using him (almost exclusively as a floor spacer, no freedom to cut or slash around).
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