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Possible starting five?
« on: October 03, 2014, 08:37:09 AM »

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Source: white (possibly starting) team at practice today was Smart, Bradley, Green, Sullinger and Olynyk.
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Re: Possible starting five?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2014, 11:57:01 AM »

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Re: Possible starting five?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2014, 12:25:57 PM »

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Sounds about right, for all the talk about Sullinger slimming down to play the 4 the real transformation might be Olynyk bulking up to play the five.

Granted I only saw that short clip posted from the game last night but I thought Kelly definitely looked bigger. Also with all of the Defense in the back court they might be able to mask the lack of length and athleticism in the front court(Although to be fair Sulley does possess long arms and Kelly is a legit 7 feet)

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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2014, 01:21:15 PM »

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AB, Green, Sully, Olynyk should be the 4 of the 5 starters. Issue is at PG do you go with Smart right away and that kind of puts more pressure on him. It also may make a Rondo trade more obvious. I'd just keep Smart coming off the bench and start Pressey. If anything it helps the maintain the appearance you are dead set on Rondo as the teams PG and Smart a guard off the bench. Thus hopefully maintaining a higher trade value for Rondo and less of a Baptism by fire for Smart.

 

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AB, Green, Sully, Olynyk should be the 4 of the 5 starters. Issue is at PG do you go with Smart right away and that kind of puts more pressure on him. It also may make a Rondo trade more obvious. I'd just keep Smart coming off the bench and start Pressey. If anything it helps the maintain the appearance you are dead set on Rondo as the teams PG and Smart a guard off the bench. Thus hopefully maintaining a higher trade value for Rondo and less of a Baptism by fire for Smart.

Especially if we see Pressey continuing to shoot like he did last night. There will be some beefy center match ups, where one of Zeller, Vitor, or even Anthony could well be called for a spot start, however.

Also, I'm not sure whether I want to give Sully some tough love and make him work harder on his conditioning before he starts. He really was almost walking up the floor and never getting near enough to the basket for a rebound on a number of possessions last night. (Though his shooting was great.)

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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2014, 02:09:52 PM »

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AB, Green, Sully, Olynyk should be the 4 of the 5 starters. Issue is at PG do you go with Smart right away and that kind of puts more pressure on him. It also may make a Rondo trade more obvious. I'd just keep Smart coming off the bench and start Pressey. If anything it helps the maintain the appearance you are dead set on Rondo as the teams PG and Smart a guard off the bench. Thus hopefully maintaining a higher trade value for Rondo and less of a Baptism by fire for Smart.

I don't know how anyone would know that either from a couple scrimage reports and a few seconds of video who is going to be starting.  Neither Sully or KO is so dominant that it is a done deal.  Zellar has more starting experience than KO and has better 5 skills.  Bass may well get a lot of starts / minutes while the C's are showcasing him for a trade as well.

Pressey is a 3rd string point guard in the NBA.  I really hope that either Turner or Smart holds down the point until RR gets back.


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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2014, 05:53:26 PM »

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AB, Green, Sully, Olynyk should be the 4 of the 5 starters. Issue is at PG do you go with Smart right away and that kind of puts more pressure on him. It also may make a Rondo trade more obvious. I'd just keep Smart coming off the bench and start Pressey. If anything it helps the maintain the appearance you are dead set on Rondo as the teams PG and Smart a guard off the bench. Thus hopefully maintaining a higher trade value for Rondo and less of a Baptism by fire for Smart.

I don't know how anyone would know that either from a couple scrimage reports and a few seconds of video who is going to be starting.  Neither Sully or KO is so dominant that it is a done deal.  Zellar has more starting experience than KO and has better 5 skills.  Bass may well get a lot of starts / minutes while the C's are showcasing him for a trade as well.

Pressey is a 3rd string point guard in the NBA.  I really hope that either Turner or Smart holds down the point until RR gets back.
Based on that assumption I understand why you don't know.

I'm going off of last year, current look, and projections. I been calling the lineup for a while now and the strategy behind Pressey starting. Kind of well laid out why I have him start in my previous post.  Pressey wouldn't even be on my C's roster. It's about strategy in trades, development of players, and draft for me. If C's start Smart at the point and he shines everyone will know that Rondo is absolutely gone. We bring Smart along slow and develop some combo-guard type play in him and Rondo looks like a possible keeper.

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Starting Pressey is a no brainer for me. Giving Smart the starting job puts him under too big a spotlight too early, plus I would want him having some minutes at SG also.

In the unlikely event that Pressey has a Jeremy Lin-esque breakout period then we have a very welcome selection dilemma.

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2014, 08:35:56 PM »

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Starting Pressey is a no brainer for me. Giving Smart the starting job puts him under too big a spotlight too early, plus I would want him having some minutes at SG also.

In the unlikely event that Pressey has a Jeremy Lin-esque breakout period then we have a very welcome selection dilemma.

And what evidence do we have that Pressey is going to have any kind of breakout?  I think..um none.  Pressey is not going to challenge RR for the starting pg spot.  If things go well, he isn't going to be playing anything more than mop up minutes.  Probably less than Thorton.

I understand why people like pressey.  He hustles, he gives 100%.  I get that people root for the underdog, and that is kind of pressey's role, but I wish people would just accept that he is an undersized guard that is a liability in a lot of cases on defense and isn't a good shooter.  He played a lot last year because we really didn't have anyone else.  He had a few good games last year.  Well so did Chris Johnson.  But he had a lot of pretty poor games as well, and a lot of games where he just didn't take care of the ball well enough.

If pressey ends up playing a major role this year it is because we have been hit hard with injuries.

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Starting Pressey is a no brainer for me. Giving Smart the starting job puts him under too big a spotlight too early, plus I would want him having some minutes at SG also.

In the unlikely event that Pressey has a Jeremy Lin-esque breakout period then we have a very welcome selection dilemma.

And what evidence do we have that Pressey is going to have any kind of breakout?  I think..um none.  Pressey is not going to challenge RR for the starting pg spot.  If things go well, he isn't going to be playing anything more than mop up minutes.  Probably less than Thorton.

I understand why people like pressey.  He hustles, he gives 100%.  I get that people root for the underdog, and that is kind of pressey's role, but I wish people would just accept that he is an undersized guard that is a liability in a lot of cases on defense and isn't a good shooter.  He played a lot last year because we really didn't have anyone else.  He had a few good games last year.  Well so did Chris Johnson.  But he had a lot of pretty poor games as well, and a lot of games where he just didn't take care of the ball well enough.

If pressey ends up playing a major role this year it is because we have been hit hard with injuries.

That's why it would be really nice for ET to get it together to hold down the starting PG fort until Rondo returns: no need for Smart to be pressing more than necessary, and yet Pressey and AB combines for an awfully small back court.

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If Rondo's not ready, I like:

Smart
Bradley
Green
Olynyk
Zeller
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Possible starting five?
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2014, 08:48:14 PM »

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Starting Pressey is a no brainer for me. Giving Smart the starting job puts him under too big a spotlight too early, plus I would want him having some minutes at SG also.

In the unlikely event that Pressey has a Jeremy Lin-esque breakout period then we have a very welcome selection dilemma.

And what evidence do we have that Pressey is going to have any kind of breakout?  I think..um none.  Pressey is not going to challenge RR for the starting pg spot.  If things go well, he isn't going to be playing anything more than mop up minutes.  Probably less than Thorton.

I understand why people like pressey.  He hustles, he gives 100%.  I get that people root for the underdog, and that is kind of pressey's role, but I wish people would just accept that he is an undersized guard that is a liability in a lot of cases on defense and isn't a good shooter.  He played a lot last year because we really didn't have anyone else.  He had a few good games last year.  Well so did Chris Johnson.  But he had a lot of pretty poor games as well, and a lot of games where he just didn't take care of the ball well enough.

If pressey ends up playing a major role this year it is because we have been hit hard with injuries.

That's why it would be really nice for ET to get it together to hold down the starting PG fort until Rondo returns: no need for Smart to be pressing more than necessary, and yet Pressey and AB combines for an awfully small back court.

Yeah that is my hope as well too.  Make ET the point guard until RR comes back, and then they adjust his minutes back. Leave Smart as a 6th/7th man / energy guy off the bench while he gets his feet wet.  Pressey in a glass box with a 'break in an emergency' sign.


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If Rondo's not ready, I like:

Smart
Bradley
Green
Olynyk
Zeller
Turner
Bradley
Green
Sullinger
Zeller

8-man roation: Smart first guard off the bench, Wallace 1st wing and Olynyk 1st big.

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Cut Pressey if Turner, AB, or Thornton can handle starting PG duties. I just don't want Smart to start.

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If Rondo's not ready, I like:

Smart
Bradley
Green
Olynyk
Zeller
Turner
Bradley
Green
Sullinger
Zeller

8-man roation: Smart first guard off the bench, Wallace 1st wing and Olynyk 1st big.

Smart
Bradley
Green
Bass
Zeller

Bench:  Sully/Olynyk tandem, Turner, and Wallace (for better or worse) get minutes off the bench, with minutes for Pressey if it looks like he's needed.

Pressey is definitely a 3rd string PG, though perhaps there are teams that would take him as their backup.  But he's an absolutely PERFECT 3rd string PG.