Wyc: I don't know how coachable (Rondo) is

[Tr1boy]

who wants to play with a guy that is known to be overly sensitive, can completely ignore a teammate and can possibly ruin the well being of a dressing room (Ray Allen situation).  I mean just bury the issue and move on, your teammates and have won a ring together for heaven's sake.

Ray Allen tried to make the situation better.  Doc Rivers probably was sicken by the drama (for a coach this kind of stuff is the last thing you need).

I can't say it was all bc of Rondo, Allen left, but i'm sure he was part of the reason why.

  This seems like a pretty distorted view of what happened with the team. You seem to be basing your opinions on some sort of "I don't know what happened so it must have all been Rondo's fault" type of logic, similar to your "other players came to the Celts because of the big 3 and not Rondo, even if they claimed Rondo was involved in the decision". You should check out what people like Doc or KG said about Ray after he left and compare that to what they've said about Rondo after they left the team.

This is about RA and RR. 

RR is going to attract very few key FAs to come here, like Kobe has attracted very few to the Lakers after the shaq/howard situation.

[BballTim]

Aren't Rondo and Brad Stevens hitting it off on a Best Friends Forever level?

  That's not important. Just like it isn't important that Doc claims to be friends with Rondo.

[BballTim]

who wants to play with a guy that is known to be overly sensitive, can completely ignore a teammate and can possibly ruin the well being of a dressing room (Ray Allen situation).  I mean just bury the issue and move on, your teammates and have won a ring together for heaven's sake.

Ray Allen tried to make the situation better.  Doc Rivers probably was sicken by the drama (for a coach this kind of stuff is the last thing you need).

I can't say it was all bc of Rondo, Allen left, but i'm sure he was part of the reason why.

  This seems like a pretty distorted view of what happened with the team. You seem to be basing your opinions on some sort of "I don't know what happened so it must have all been Rondo's fault" type of logic, similar to your "other players came to the Celts because of the big 3 and not Rondo, even if they claimed Rondo was involved in the decision". You should check out what people like Doc or KG said about Ray after he left and compare that to what they've said about Rondo after they left the team.

This is about RA and RR. 

  It seems to be about your not knowing much about what was going on when Ray left and deciding that the whole thing was Rondo's fault. Ray had problems with Doc, Danny, PP, KG and AB aside from Rondo, and Doc laid most of the blame with Ray and not Rondo. What evidence do you have that it was Rondo's fault?

RR is going to attract very few key FAs to come here, like Kobe has attracted very few to the Lakers after the shaq/howard situation.

  There were 8-9 seasons between the Shaq and Howard situations. The Lakers won 2 titles and went to the finals another time in between them.

[Sixth Man]

Yes, Marcus Smart is a born leader, just ask him. It's too bad though he couldn't rally the troops to halt that second half of a season meltdown they(Ok St) experienced. To be fair, he was suspended for three games for shoving that fan that insulted him, so you can't hold that against him...

Please feel free to cheap-shot our #1 draft pick, because he's like, you know, one of our own...

Cheap shot? These are things that happened.

triboy stated that Rondo is terrible as a leader, and that as soon as he's replaced by Smart we'd be better off. What leadership abilities has Smart exhibited? All this leadership stuff is based off of puff pieces and interviews where he talks about himself.

Sure, OK St's second half slide may not have been his fault, and the fan shoving may just be an isolated incident. It just felt like pointing to ambiguous stuff like team struggles and locker room bickering, and holding it up as facts to push an agenda was par for the course here.

Well, I'm not in favor of savaging RR or MS here.  You complain about Triboy, but you act in exactly the same manner.  I guess you're cut from the same piece of cloth, so to speak...

[Sixth Man]

You're right Sixth Man, that was very childish of me. Sorry triboy. You have every right to say what you think is right.

You're wrong about one thing though, Sixth Man. There's no persuading triboy about Rondo. He just doesn't like Rondo.

I'll be more careful with what I say next time.

You apologized?  I'm very afraid for you, as you are far too evolved a person to hang around these pages...   Yes, Triboy has his opinions/agenda about RR.  I share some of those same reservations about RR, but I also see many admirable traits in him.  At the end of the day, we have no idea whether RR has interest in re-signing with the Celts, or if management has any interest in that, either. 

We're not going to win a title this season or next, so I'm quite content to simply not prejudge, just sitting back and seeing how the season develops.  In time, all things shall be revealed...

[BballTim]

  At the end of the day, we have no idea whether RR has interest in re-signing with the Celts, or if management has any interest in that, either. 

  We don't know whether Rondo will stay or not but we have a pretty good idea they both have an interest in his staying because they both state that emphatically every time the subject comes up.

[D.o.s.]

Considering that Wyc isn't a professional basketball coach, truer words were never spoken.

This is the best post in this thread.

[manl_lui]

Considering that Wyc isn't a professional basketball coach, truer words were never spoken.

This is the best post in this thread.

and the media will find ways to twist it

"Wyc unsure whether Rondo is coachable, is Rondo on his way out?"

[BballTim]

Considering that Wyc isn't a professional basketball coach, truer words were never spoken.

This is the best post in this thread.

and the media will find ways to twist it

"Wyc unsure whether Rondo is coachable, is Rondo on his way out?"

  Considering that Wyc basically saying "harder to coach than the average player" became "uncoachable", the twisting's already occurring.

[manl_lui]

Considering that Wyc isn't a professional basketball coach, truer words were never spoken.

This is the best post in this thread.

and the media will find ways to twist it

"Wyc unsure whether Rondo is coachable, is Rondo on his way out?"

  Considering that Wyc basically saying "harder to coach than the average player" became "uncoachable", the twisting's already occurring.

sounds about right, but hey, Wyc is basically giving the media a reason to go to work ...isn't it their job? you know, to twist actual facts

[Nerf DPOY]

Yes, Marcus Smart is a born leader, just ask him. It's too bad though he couldn't rally the troops to halt that second half of a season meltdown they(Ok St) experienced. To be fair, he was suspended for three games for shoving that fan that insulted him, so you can't hold that against him...

Please feel free to cheap-shot our #1 draft pick, because he's like, you know, one of our own...

Cheap shot? These are things that happened.

triboy stated that Rondo is terrible as a leader, and that as soon as he's replaced by Smart we'd be better off. What leadership abilities has Smart exhibited? All this leadership stuff is based off of puff pieces and interviews where he talks about himself.

Sure, OK St's second half slide may not have been his fault, and the fan shoving may just be an isolated incident. It just felt like pointing to ambiguous stuff like team struggles and locker room bickering, and holding it up as facts to push an agenda was par for the course here.

Well, I'm not in favor of savaging RR or MS here.  You complain about Triboy, but you act in exactly the same manner.  I guess you're cut from the same piece of cloth, so to speak...

I savaged Marcus Smart? That's a pretty liberal use of the word, I'd say. The negative things that I wrote in the first post were facts. They aren't even controversial. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings.

[crimson_stallion]

The distraction needs to be traded.

Is there a market? Of course there is. The ? is, how much or less will another team offer or the Celtics take for a player who cannot create his own shot, shoot, shoot free throws and be a Team player.

Rondo is not a Leader. He proved it this season by hanging his coach out to dry during his birthday bash weekend..

If this Player had the talent of a CPaul or DRose do you really think MELO signs back with NY. I'd even go out on a limb to say if the talent was there, LOVE even with Lebron in Cleveland would have thought long and hard about playing in Boston.

Rondo had great value with the big 3. All Rondo had to do was create. And he did a very good job doing that. There is NO TALENT coming to Boston where rondo can Play HIS GAME.

He is a free agent to be not worth the max due to limited physical abilities on the court.
MOVE ON and let the rebuild take its course.

If Im Wyc, tell Danny to trade him or find someone who will...

IMHO a healthy Rose is not better than a healthy Rondo.

Rose is not a great shooter either - he has traditionally been a pretty poor shooter from three and from midrange, while also being horrendously bad defensively (his defence is shockingly overrated, even despite the fact that most people acknowledge it's nothing special).

Rose has only one elite skill, and that is finishing with contact around the basket - that's it.  He can't play defence, he's a mediocre shooter, he's a mediocre rebounder, he has mediocre BBIQ, and he's soft as a marshmallow (zero leadership skills, zero toughness).  But he scores a lot of points (because he takes a lot of shots), he dunks a lot and he's good at making off balance shots around the basket - that stuff makes for good TV ratings, so the NBA endorses him like he's a semi-god.

Rondo for his position has multiple elite skills - passing, rebounding and defence (when he can be bothered) are all elite talents that Rondo possesses.  In terms of intangibles he has elite BBIQ and has one of the toughest players in the league both mentally and physically - he'll play through anything and I've lost count of the number of times he has won possessions with his hustle play.  From midrange, he is a better shooter than Rose is.  Rondo's big weaknesses is that he isn't a consistent three point shooter (which he's improving at) and he is a terrible free throw shooter...that's pretty much it.

would I trade Rondo for Rose?  No.  Especially when you combine Rose's busted knees with his absolute softness. 

Interesting point also that Rose apparently said he'll change his game from now on and be less aggressive so that he avoids further injuries.  You know what Derek Rose minus the aggressiveness/explosiveness equals?  Steve Francis 2.0 - remember what he looked like late in his career? Yep, that's your new age Derek Rose.

[Tr1boy]

A healthy rose usually beat a healthy rondo on both ends on the court.

Chris paul the same. RW the same. TP the same

A healthy Rondo at least was able to beat up on lesser capable pg like nelson, teague, farmar, chalmers etc.

[TwinTower14]

The distraction needs to be traded.

Is there a market? Of course there is. The ? is, how much or less will another team offer or the Celtics take for a player who cannot create his own shot, shoot, shoot free throws and be a Team player.

Rondo is not a Leader. He proved it this season by hanging his coach out to dry during his birthday bash weekend..

If this Player had the talent of a CPaul or DRose do you really think MELO signs back with NY. I'd even go out on a limb to say if the talent was there, LOVE even with Lebron in Cleveland would have thought long and hard about playing in Boston.

Rondo had great value with the big 3. All Rondo had to do was create. And he did a very good job doing that. There is NO TALENT coming to Boston where rondo can Play HIS GAME.

He is a free agent to be not worth the max due to limited physical abilities on the court.
MOVE ON and let the rebuild take its course.

If Im Wyc, tell Danny to trade him or find someone who will...

IMHO a healthy Rose is not better than a healthy Rondo.

Rose is not a great shooter either - he has traditionally been a pretty poor shooter from three and from midrange, while also being horrendously bad defensively (his defence is shockingly overrated, even despite the fact that most people acknowledge it's nothing special).

Rose has only one elite skill, and that is finishing with contact around the basket - that's it.  He can't play defence, he's a mediocre shooter, he's a mediocre rebounder, he has mediocre BBIQ, and he's soft as a marshmallow (zero leadership skills, zero toughness).  But he scores a lot of points (because he takes a lot of shots), he dunks a lot and he's good at making off balance shots around the basket - that stuff makes for good TV ratings, so the NBA endorses him like he's a semi-god.

Rondo for his position has multiple elite skills - passing, rebounding and defence (when he can be bothered) are all elite talents that Rondo possesses.  In terms of intangibles he has elite BBIQ and has one of the toughest players in the league both mentally and physically - he'll play through anything and I've lost count of the number of times he has won possessions with his hustle play.  From midrange, he is a better shooter than Rose is.  Rondo's big weaknesses is that he isn't a consistent three point shooter (which he's improving at) and he is a terrible free throw shooter...that's pretty much it.

would I trade Rondo for Rose?  No.  Especially when you combine Rose's busted knees with his absolute softness. 

Interesting point also that Rose apparently said he'll change his game from now on and be less aggressive so that he avoids further injuries.  You know what Derek Rose minus the aggressiveness/explosiveness equals?  Steve Francis 2.0 - remember what he looked like late in his career? Yep, that's your new age Derek Rose.

I know you love Rondo but come on!  Rose when healthy is light years ahead of Rondo, it's not even close!  He doesn't shoot that well?  he shoots 1 percent worse than Rondo for his career and he is a much better 3pt shooter and he shoots 20% higher from the line than him.  Rose before the knee injury was the third best player in the NBA behind James and Durant.  Rondo is lucky to be in the top 30....

I know people love Rondo but lets not get ridiculous around here....

[Endless Paradise]

The distraction needs to be traded.

Is there a market? Of course there is. The ? is, how much or less will another team offer or the Celtics take for a player who cannot create his own shot, shoot, shoot free throws and be a Team player.

Rondo is not a Leader. He proved it this season by hanging his coach out to dry during his birthday bash weekend..

If this Player had the talent of a CPaul or DRose do you really think MELO signs back with NY. I'd even go out on a limb to say if the talent was there, LOVE even with Lebron in Cleveland would have thought long and hard about playing in Boston.

Rondo had great value with the big 3. All Rondo had to do was create. And he did a very good job doing that. There is NO TALENT coming to Boston where rondo can Play HIS GAME.

He is a free agent to be not worth the max due to limited physical abilities on the court.
MOVE ON and let the rebuild take its course.

If Im Wyc, tell Danny to trade him or find someone who will...

IMHO a healthy Rose is not better than a healthy Rondo.

Rose is not a great shooter either - he has traditionally been a pretty poor shooter from three and from midrange, while also being horrendously bad defensively (his defence is shockingly overrated, even despite the fact that most people acknowledge it's nothing special).

Rose has only one elite skill, and that is finishing with contact around the basket - that's it.  He can't play defence, he's a mediocre shooter, he's a mediocre rebounder, he has mediocre BBIQ, and he's soft as a marshmallow (zero leadership skills, zero toughness).  But he scores a lot of points (because he takes a lot of shots), he dunks a lot and he's good at making off balance shots around the basket - that stuff makes for good TV ratings, so the NBA endorses him like he's a semi-god.

Rondo for his position has multiple elite skills - passing, rebounding and defence (when he can be bothered) are all elite talents that Rondo possesses.  In terms of intangibles he has elite BBIQ and has one of the toughest players in the league both mentally and physically - he'll play through anything and I've lost count of the number of times he has won possessions with his hustle play.  From midrange, he is a better shooter than Rose is.  Rondo's big weaknesses is that he isn't a consistent three point shooter (which he's improving at) and he is a terrible free throw shooter...that's pretty much it.

would I trade Rondo for Rose?  No.  Especially when you combine Rose's busted knees with his absolute softness. 

Interesting point also that Rose apparently said he'll change his game from now on and be less aggressive so that he avoids further injuries.  You know what Derek Rose minus the aggressiveness/explosiveness equals?  Steve Francis 2.0 - remember what he looked like late in his career? Yep, that's your new age Derek Rose.

I've gotta hand it to you, you are definitely invested in retaining your throne as the local King of the Inane Hot Sports Takes.