Paul George says stupid things in defense of Ray Rice

[Ogaju]

do you really believe that nonsense?

The stress of a trial? Stress of testifying for the state or stress of testifying for her husband. Look if this guy skated because his wife was reluctant to testify why is everyone getting on Goodell?

This is why Paul George tweeted 'if she aint tripping, he aint tripping'.

[GreenWarrior]

George completely ignores the fact that she could very well be forced to act like "she aint trippin".

[Moranis]

George completely ignores the fact that she could very well be forced to act like "she aint trippin".

Come on.  They weren't married when it happened.  She married him after that.  She wasn't forced to do anything.  Now she may have battered women's syndrome where she sympathizes and believes it was her fault and that could explain her actions.  Or maybe just maybe this was a one time thing and they are working on moving past the incident and wish to do so in private.  Just no way to know for sure.

[Donoghus]

I'm much more open to the idea that Ray Rice deserves a chance at penance, the same way Vick has, than I am to the idea that we shouldn't go after the NFL for their part in this colossal cluster****

This is pretty right on and where most of my anger has been directed the last few days.

I'm p---ed at the league and the way they totally botched this case and the subsequent "cover up" and the Peter Kings of the world who continue to lay in bed with the league & such.

What Rice did was wrong & reprehensible. No doubt about it.  But he's been punished multiple times now for this offense while Goodell continues to have a job and, seemingly, owner and some media support.  The amount of arrogance the NFL displayed thru this whole incident has been pretty awful. 

Why shouldn't people be p---ed at the NFL or the Ravens?

[GreenWarrior]

George completely ignores the fact that she could very well be forced to act like "she aint trippin".

Come on.  They weren't married when it happened.  She married him after that.  She wasn't forced to do anything.  Now she may have battered women's syndrome where she sympathizes and believes it was her fault and that could explain her actions.  Or maybe just maybe this was a one time thing and they are working on moving past the incident and wish to do so in private.  Just no way to know for sure.

while I am very biased in this situation after experiencing a sister go through this. like you said there is no way to know for sure what exactly is going on. which makes George's comments even that more ignorant imo because he doesn't know either. if the woman ends up dead he's going to feel as dumb as we all think he looks right now....which is why his agent had him take the tweet down.

i'll just say this, while not knowing the exact number I do know in most domestic violence cases against women it's usually not just a one time thing.

[GreenWarrior]

I'm much more open to the idea that Ray Rice deserves a chance at penance, the same way Vick has, than I am to the idea that we shouldn't go after the NFL for their part in this colossal cluster****

This is pretty right on and where most of my anger has been directed the last few days.

I'm p---ed at the league and the way they totally botched this case and the subsequent "cover up" and the Peter Kings of the world who continue to lay in bed with the league & such.

What Rice did was wrong & reprehensible. No doubt about it.  But he's been punished multiple times now for this offense while Goodell continues to have a job and, seemingly, owner and some media support.  The amount of arrogance the NFL displayed thru this whole incident has been pretty awful. 

Why shouldn't people be p---ed at the NFL or the Ravens?

it is a colossal mess by the NFL. but the botchery isn't even close to half the reason why they're covering things up. really they could have just told better lies and this might not be the story it is.

I believe goodell is jumping on the sword for the owners here, made to look the fool. taking the attention away from the real story - there's a huge domestic violence problem in the NFL.

and the NFL owners(who vote for the commissioner and he answers to them) don't want to deal with the thought that they likely have more than 1 or 2 offenders of DV on their team right now. just a can of worms no one in the NFL wants to deal with.

so putting a face to the "botchery" seems to be working so far. goodell is done and the heat on the NFL will be once he's gone.

[Neurotic Guy]

George completely ignores the fact that she could very well be forced to act like "she aint trippin".

Come on.  They weren't married when it happened.  She married him after that.  She wasn't forced to do anything.  Now she may have battered women's syndrome where she sympathizes and believes it was her fault and that could explain her actions.  Or maybe just maybe this was a one time thing and they are working on moving past the incident and wish to do so in private.  Just no way to know for sure.

while I am very biased in this situation after experiencing a sister go through this. like you said there is no way to know for sure what exactly is going on. which makes George's comments even that more ignorant imo because he doesn't know either. if the woman ends up dead he's going to feel as dumb as we all think he looks right now....which is why his agent had him take the tweet down.

i'll just say this, while not knowing the exact number I do know in most domestic violence cases against women it's usually not just a one time thing.

Since I agree that it is unknown whether Janay is dealing with battered wife syndrome or whether this is, indeed, a singular incident that Janay and Ray are handling maturely and in what they believe to be the best interest of their children, I think we should be asking ourselves this question:

Since we don't know, what then is the most respectful response we can provide as non-involved, outside observers?

Choices:
1. Presume she is in denial, too scared to leave, or too emotionally worn down to leave.
2. Presume that she's a clear thinking mature adult who is capable of making the right choices for herself, her marriage, and her children.
3. Presume that we, as the viewing public, should have no stated opinion since we have only a very small fraction of the information that one would need to make an informed decision about what Janay should/shouldn't do. 

I opt for number 3.

[D.o.s.]

I'm much more open to the idea that Ray Rice deserves a chance at penance, the same way Vick has, than I am to the idea that we shouldn't go after the NFL for their part in this colossal cluster****

This is pretty right on and where most of my anger has been directed the last few days.

I'm p---ed at the league and the way they totally botched this case and the subsequent "cover up" and the Peter Kings of the world who continue to lay in bed with the league & such.

What Rice did was wrong & reprehensible. No doubt about it.  But he's been punished multiple times now for this offense while Goodell continues to have a job and, seemingly, owner and some media support.  The amount of arrogance the NFL displayed thru this whole incident has been pretty awful. 

Why shouldn't people be p---ed at the NFL or the Ravens?

it is a colossal mess by the NFL. but the botchery isn't even close to half the reason why they're covering things up. really they could have just told better lies and this might not be the story it is.

I believe goodell is jumping on the sword for the owners here, made to look the fool. taking the attention away from the real story - there's a huge domestic violence problem in the NFL.

and the NFL owners(who vote for the commissioner and he answers to them) don't want to deal with the thought that they likely have more than 1 or 2 offenders of DV on their team right now. just a can of worms no one in the NFL wants to deal with.

so putting a face to the "botchery" seems to be working so far. goodell is done and the heat on the NFL will be once he's gone.

I agree with the line of thinking, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence that the NFL has a bigger DV problem than the non-athletic populace. At least, not that I've seen.

[indeedproceed]

I think it's weird that we've started calling her just 'Janay'. Like she's going to be at brunch on Sunday or something.

[GreenWarrior]

well I've always been under the assumption when it came to things like this - once was enough.

so no, I don't think she's thinking clearly.

from viewing the tape I personally feel this was an isolated incident because if she was in a relationship that she was being battered previously I just don't think she would have attacked him at all. but that is just a guess.

I just don't live in a world where it would be accepted by any woman I know where a boyfriend or husband would be allowed to do something like this.

my sister was in a relationship like this. who had a history of dating the "wrong guy" and ultimately married the "wrong guy". it took getting thrown out a second story window to finally realize she was in the wrong relationship. come to find out this wasn't the 1st incident.

she had children with this guy, if she hadn't gotten out of this relationship the children might not have a mother or a father.

so i'll continue to be biased to the situation and say once is enough.   

[GreenWarrior]

I'm much more open to the idea that Ray Rice deserves a chance at penance, the same way Vick has, than I am to the idea that we shouldn't go after the NFL for their part in this colossal cluster****

This is pretty right on and where most of my anger has been directed the last few days.

I'm p---ed at the league and the way they totally botched this case and the subsequent "cover up" and the Peter Kings of the world who continue to lay in bed with the league & such.

What Rice did was wrong & reprehensible. No doubt about it.  But he's been punished multiple times now for this offense while Goodell continues to have a job and, seemingly, owner and some media support.  The amount of arrogance the NFL displayed thru this whole incident has been pretty awful. 

Why shouldn't people be p---ed at the NFL or the Ravens?

it is a colossal mess by the NFL. but the botchery isn't even close to half the reason why they're covering things up. really they could have just told better lies and this might not be the story it is.

I believe goodell is jumping on the sword for the owners here, made to look the fool. taking the attention away from the real story - there's a huge domestic violence problem in the NFL.

and the NFL owners(who vote for the commissioner and he answers to them) don't want to deal with the thought that they likely have more than 1 or 2 offenders of DV on their team right now. just a can of worms no one in the NFL wants to deal with.

so putting a face to the "botchery" seems to be working so far. goodell is done and the heat on the NFL will be once he's gone.

I agree with the line of thinking, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence that the NFL has a bigger DV problem than the non-athletic populace. At least, not that I've seen.

I know Felger and Mazz get a lot of hate in these parts. but they mentioned something yesterday that almost 50% of police calls involving NFL players had to do with domestic violence.

where they came up with the number? I don't know.   

[Tr1boy]

George completely ignores the fact that she could very well be forced to act like "she aint trippin".

Come on.  They weren't married when it happened.  She married him after that.  She wasn't forced to do anything.  Now she may have battered women's syndrome where she sympathizes and believes it was her fault and that could explain her actions.  Or maybe just maybe this was a one time thing and they are working on moving past the incident and wish to do so in private.  Just no way to know for sure.

while I am very biased in this situation after experiencing a sister go through this. like you said there is no way to know for sure what exactly is going on. which makes George's comments even that more ignorant imo because he doesn't know either. if the woman ends up dead he's going to feel as dumb as we all think he looks right now....which is why his agent had him take the tweet down.

i'll just say this, while not knowing the exact number I do know in most domestic violence cases against women it's usually not just a one time thing.

Since I agree that it is unknown whether Janay is dealing with battered wife syndrome or whether this is, indeed, a singular incident that Janay and Ray are handling maturely and in what they believe to be the best interest of their children, I think we should be asking ourselves this question:

Since we don't know, what then is the most respectful response we can provide as non-involved, outside observers?

Choices:
1. Presume she is in denial, too scared to leave, or too emotionally worn down to leave.
2. Presume that she's a clear thinking mature adult who is capable of making the right choices for herself, her marriage, and her children.
3. Presume that we, as the viewing public, should have no stated opinion since we have only a very small fraction of the information that one would need to make an informed decision about what Janay should/shouldn't do. 

I opt for number 3.

+1.

Lets not jump to conclusions.   

Imo i think rice will be suspended for the rest of this season but will be allowed to play in the league next season. However no team  will sign him. No team in the CFL will sign him. 

[D.o.s.]

I'm much more open to the idea that Ray Rice deserves a chance at penance, the same way Vick has, than I am to the idea that we shouldn't go after the NFL for their part in this colossal cluster****

This is pretty right on and where most of my anger has been directed the last few days.

I'm p---ed at the league and the way they totally botched this case and the subsequent "cover up" and the Peter Kings of the world who continue to lay in bed with the league & such.

What Rice did was wrong & reprehensible. No doubt about it.  But he's been punished multiple times now for this offense while Goodell continues to have a job and, seemingly, owner and some media support.  The amount of arrogance the NFL displayed thru this whole incident has been pretty awful. 

Why shouldn't people be p---ed at the NFL or the Ravens?

it is a colossal mess by the NFL. but the botchery isn't even close to half the reason why they're covering things up. really they could have just told better lies and this might not be the story it is.

I believe goodell is jumping on the sword for the owners here, made to look the fool. taking the attention away from the real story - there's a huge domestic violence problem in the NFL.

and the NFL owners(who vote for the commissioner and he answers to them) don't want to deal with the thought that they likely have more than 1 or 2 offenders of DV on their team right now. just a can of worms no one in the NFL wants to deal with.

so putting a face to the "botchery" seems to be working so far. goodell is done and the heat on the NFL will be once he's gone.

I agree with the line of thinking, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence that the NFL has a bigger DV problem than the non-athletic populace. At least, not that I've seen.

I know Felger and Mazz get a lot of hate in these parts. but they mentioned something yesterday that almost 50% of police calls involving NFL players had to do with domestic violence.

where they came up with the number? I don't know.

So until we have that source, you're suggesting that you'd opt to favor a 'real story' that's unsubstantiated and vetted by, uh, sports talk radio?

I don't know if I can get down with that.

[D.o.s.]

also, for the record, "trippin'" has nothing to do with forgiveness. It's analogous to being bent out of shape. I meant to post that days ago.

[GreenWarrior]

I'm much more open to the idea that Ray Rice deserves a chance at penance, the same way Vick has, than I am to the idea that we shouldn't go after the NFL for their part in this colossal cluster****

This is pretty right on and where most of my anger has been directed the last few days.

I'm p---ed at the league and the way they totally botched this case and the subsequent "cover up" and the Peter Kings of the world who continue to lay in bed with the league & such.

What Rice did was wrong & reprehensible. No doubt about it.  But he's been punished multiple times now for this offense while Goodell continues to have a job and, seemingly, owner and some media support.  The amount of arrogance the NFL displayed thru this whole incident has been pretty awful. 

Why shouldn't people be p---ed at the NFL or the Ravens?

it is a colossal mess by the NFL. but the botchery isn't even close to half the reason why they're covering things up. really they could have just told better lies and this might not be the story it is.

I believe goodell is jumping on the sword for the owners here, made to look the fool. taking the attention away from the real story - there's a huge domestic violence problem in the NFL.

and the NFL owners(who vote for the commissioner and he answers to them) don't want to deal with the thought that they likely have more than 1 or 2 offenders of DV on their team right now. just a can of worms no one in the NFL wants to deal with.

so putting a face to the "botchery" seems to be working so far. goodell is done and the heat on the NFL will be once he's gone.

I agree with the line of thinking, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence that the NFL has a bigger DV problem than the non-athletic populace. At least, not that I've seen.

I know Felger and Mazz get a lot of hate in these parts. but they mentioned something yesterday that almost 50% of police calls involving NFL players had to do with domestic violence.

where they came up with the number? I don't know.

So until we have that source, you're suggesting that you'd opt to favor a 'real story' that's unsubstantiated and vetted by, uh, sports talk radio?

I don't know if I can get down with that.

sorry, I meant to say I didn't remember the whole story, they gave a source and all that I just don't remember the whole segment.