Jalen Rose on Rondo

[bucknersrevenge]

Would be really tough to make salaries match, now that Monroe signed that QC.

Shouldn't be that hard should it? Rondo's number is what, 13M? Monroe's QO I'm showing is 10.2M per basketballinsiders.com That shouldn't be hard to match up. And Detroit would not trade Monroe AND a first for Rondo.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Would be really tough to make salaries match, now that Monroe signed that QC.

Shouldn't be that hard should it? Rondo's number is what, 13M? Monroe's QO I'm showing is 10.2M per basketballinsiders.com That shouldn't be hard to match up. And Detroit would not trade Monroe AND a first for Rondo.

I thought his QC was under $6 Million

[D.o.s.]

Monroe's QO was for $5.5 mil.

[Eddie20]

Rose and Bill Simmons had a podcast and Simmons pitched Rose on his idea of Rondo to Charlotte. Rose said he wouldn't do it if he were Charlotte because it's a combustible situation. Rondo is a player that has the ball for 20 seconds of a possession, while Stephenson wants the ball in his hands too and neither is a good shooter.

Rose then added that he would like to see Rondo in Detroit and both agreed that a deal centered around Monroe and a #1 for Rondo would work for both teams.

Just interesting that the Rondo for Monroe deal that we've floated around was also mentioned by Rose. Love him or hate him, Rose does know the game and I respect his opinion.

Wow, that's pretty hilarious.

Jalen says the reason Charlotte wouldn't want Rondo is because their best perimeter player likes to set up other people and isn't a great shooter, but then immediately suggests Detroit, whose best player is Josh Smith.

The whole Rondo can't play with other shot creators thing that pops up from time to time is beyond ridiculous.  How does playing with Pierce and KG not completely null that argument?  I knew Jalen would make me laugh when I clicked on this thread.

1. No, he said it because Stephenson needs/wants the ball in his hands.

2. Rondo played with both KG and Pierce, but they were really good shooters and could excel at spotting up and playing off of Rondo. Stephenson isn't that type of player/shooter.

[LooseCannon]

Would be really tough to make salaries match, now that Monroe signed that QC.

Shouldn't be that hard should it? Rondo's number is what, 13M? Monroe's QO I'm showing is 10.2M per basketballinsiders.com That shouldn't be hard to match up. And Detroit would not trade Monroe AND a first for Rondo.

That's his cap hold, not his qualifying offer.

[RJ87]

Just wait and go after Monroe in free agency bc that's what you'll ultimately be doing with this trade anyway. No reason to trade rondo now that Monroe signed his QO.

We'd get a # 1 pick and have a year to sell Monroe on our team. Much easier to re-sign him once he's played for us.

But let's also not forget that he'd be forfeiting his bird rights in a trade. So any team that acquires him via trade not only has to get him to waive the no-trade clause, but also has to have the cap to sign him this offseason since no bird rights means the team can't go over cap to resign him.

Because of the hurdles, I don't think Monroe gets traded at all.

[Eddie20]

Just wait and go after Monroe in free agency bc that's what you'll ultimately be doing with this trade anyway. No reason to trade rondo now that Monroe signed his QO.

We'd get a # 1 pick and have a year to sell Monroe on our team. Much easier to re-sign him once he's played for us.

But let's also not forget that he'd be forfeiting his bird rights in a trade. So any team that acquires him via trade not only has to get him to waive the no-trade clause, but also has to have the cap to sign him this offseason since no bird rights means the team can't go over cap to resign him.

Because of the hurdles, I don't think Monroe gets traded at all.

What good are his Bird rights if he won't be re-signing in Detroit anyways? Besides the dynamics of the league has changed, there are an abundance of teams with cap room next season.

[RJ87]

Just wait and go after Monroe in free agency bc that's what you'll ultimately be doing with this trade anyway. No reason to trade rondo now that Monroe signed his QO.

We'd get a # 1 pick and have a year to sell Monroe on our team. Much easier to re-sign him once he's played for us.

But let's also not forget that he'd be forfeiting his bird rights in a trade. So any team that acquires him via trade not only has to get him to waive the no-trade clause, but also has to have the cap to sign him this offseason since no bird rights means the team can't go over cap to resign him.

Because of the hurdles, I don't think Monroe gets traded at all.

What good are his Bird rights if he won't be re-signing in Detroit anyways? Besides the dynamics of the league has changed, there are an abundance of teams with cap room next season.

That he'll also want to play for? Just because teams have cap doesn't mean he's going to want to play there. Any trade has to have his consent, so now you have to limit potential trading partners to teams projected to have cap space in 2015 that's also a team he'll agree to be traded to.

You're talking about convincing him to resign once he's played for us, you have to convince him to come in the first place.

[Eddie20]

Just wait and go after Monroe in free agency bc that's what you'll ultimately be doing with this trade anyway. No reason to trade rondo now that Monroe signed his QO.

We'd get a # 1 pick and have a year to sell Monroe on our team. Much easier to re-sign him once he's played for us.

But let's also not forget that he'd be forfeiting his bird rights in a trade. So any team that acquires him via trade not only has to get him to waive the no-trade clause, but also has to have the cap to sign him this offseason since no bird rights means the team can't go over cap to resign him.

Because of the hurdles, I don't think Monroe gets traded at all.

What good are his Bird rights if he won't be re-signing in Detroit anyways? Besides the dynamics of the league has changed, there are an abundance of teams with cap room next season.

That he'll also want to play for? Just because teams have cap doesn't mean he's going to want to play there. Any trade has to have his consent, so now you have to limit potential trading partners to teams projected to have cap space in 2015 that's also a team he'll agree to be traded to.

You're talking about convincing him to resign once he's played for us, you have to convince him to come in the first place.

If you're him why wouldn't you agree to a trade here? He'd be featured offensively, not have Drummond clogging the paint for him, would receive more playing time than Detroit (Drummond & Smith), play for a team (us) that actually wants him, and neither is a lock to make the playoffs. If he would want to be featured and drive his value up, then Boston is far more attractive than Detroit is.

[fantankerous]

Just wait and go after Monroe in free agency bc that's what you'll ultimately be doing with this trade anyway. No reason to trade rondo now that Monroe signed his QO.

We'd get a # 1 pick and have a year to sell Monroe on our team. Much easier to re-sign him once he's played for us.

But let's also not forget that he'd be forfeiting his bird rights in a trade. So any team that acquires him via trade not only has to get him to waive the no-trade clause, but also has to have the cap to sign him this offseason since no bird rights means the team can't go over cap to resign him.

Because of the hurdles, I don't think Monroe gets traded at all.

What good are his Bird rights if he won't be re-signing in Detroit anyways? Besides the dynamics of the league has changed, there are an abundance of teams with cap room next season.

Sign and trades.

[rondohondo]

We already have Sully and KO, Monroe is not a going to do anything for this team . He is not a rim protector , not a very good shooter either . He does nothing for this team. Why do we trade Rondo , who could possibly attract a big time player (Marc Gasol, Aldridge , or Hibbert ) next year with all our cap space , for Greg Monroe (a taller sully)?

And that first round pick would be mid to late 1st, do we really value that when the c's already have more than they can possibly use in the next few years ?

[2short]

We already have Sully and KO, Monroe is not a going to do anything for this team . He is not a rim protector , not a very good shooter either . He does nothing for this team. Why do we trade Rondo , who could possibly attract a big time player (Marc Gasol, Aldridge , or Hibbert ) next year with all our cap space , for Greg Monroe (a taller sully)?

And that first round pick would be mid to late 1st, do we really value that when the c's already have more than they can possibly use in the next few years ?

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i'd give you two for that if i could!

[wdleehi]

We already have Sully and KO, Monroe is not a going to do anything for this team . He is not a rim protector , not a very good shooter either . He does nothing for this team. Why do we trade Rondo , who could possibly attract a big time player (Marc Gasol, Aldridge , or Hibbert ) next year with all our cap space , for Greg Monroe (a taller sully)?

And that first round pick would be mid to late 1st, do we really value that when the c's already have more than they can possibly use in the next few years ?

Because he is better player then those two. 

[mmmmm]

Just wait and go after Monroe in free agency bc that's what you'll ultimately be doing with this trade anyway. No reason to trade rondo now that Monroe signed his QO.

We'd get a # 1 pick and have a year to sell Monroe on our team. Much easier to re-sign him once he's played for us.

But let's also not forget that he'd be forfeiting his bird rights in a trade. So any team that acquires him via trade not only has to get him to waive the no-trade clause, but also has to have the cap to sign him this offseason since no bird rights means the team can't go over cap to resign him.

Because of the hurdles, I don't think Monroe gets traded at all.

What good are his Bird rights if he won't be re-signing in Detroit anyways? Besides the dynamics of the league has changed, there are an abundance of teams with cap room next season.

Sign and trades.

S&T won't get him a better contract under the new CBA rules.   It might enable him to go to a team that is over the salary cap, though.

[mmmmm]

We already have Sully and KO, Monroe is not a going to do anything for this team . He is not a rim protector , not a very good shooter either . He does nothing for this team. Why do we trade Rondo , who could possibly attract a big time player (Marc Gasol, Aldridge , or Hibbert ) next year with all our cap space , for Greg Monroe (a taller sully)?

And that first round pick would be mid to late 1st, do we really value that when the c's already have more than they can possibly use in the next few years ?

Yes, we have Sully and KO.  They are power forwards.

Monroe is a center.

Every advanced analysis of his play shows that he is a center and that Detroit was totally misusing him as a power forward.   His level of play at C has been by every measure much better than at PF.  Both on offense and defense.

And as a center, he is far better than either Sullinger or Olynyk (or Zeller, for that matter).

Here is some food for thought.  Detroit, last year, with either Drummond or Monroe at center, without the other guy on the floor:


Center          ORtg   DRtg    Net
Drummond        107.3  109.8  -2.5 points per 100 possessions
Monroe          107.8  107.9  -0.1 points per 100 possessions


The sample sizes are over 1800 possessions for both so pretty sizable.

I'm not an advocate for trading Rondo for Monroe, though.  I think it makes more sense to get Monroe and add him _to_ a team with Rondo.