Ray Rice

[Donoghus]

What were we saying about the pats again?

"I think everyone that witnessed that video yesterday has to be outraged and really disgusted to see someone associated with us doing something like that us," Kraft said. "Anyone who is a real man doesn't hit a woman."

http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498/1632578678/+kylenw

i don't put a lot of stock into anything kraft or the patriots say, they are the ultimate spin-masters, they have the local media and fans cowed. which i guess is just a microcosm of the whole NFL. good sport, but a greedy, arrogant league.

That whole thing isn't exactly in line with what we were talking about yesterday with the Pats given that Mayweather isn't an employee of the Patriots or anything.  Apples & oranges when comparing to what the Ravens did here.  This is an owner simply meeting with a high profile athlete who, by all accounts, is a certifiable scumbag outside the boxing ring.   Still doesn't look good, though, when you have an owner of an NFL franchise out there preaching about domestic violence then video pops up of him all chummy, chummy with Floyd Mayweather.

Kraft's been a great owner but there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes there that doesn't make him as glorious as much of the media attempt to make him out to be.

[D.o.s.]

That's true, and I didn't mean to suggest an inference based on what the Patriots would or wouldn't have done. Just that the gif and the statement are too good to ignore.

[fairweatherfan]

I do fully agree that, assuming the initial police report was accurate, Sullinger is lucky that the events weren't caught on videotape, or things would've gone much worse for him.

I should probably add that another key difference is that with a video, we wouldn't have to assume the police report was correct, the evidence would be obvious.  Everyone could see Sullinger's girlfriend being pinwheeled about with no volitional muscle control.

[kraidstar]

Well, to start where Silver is concerned...The race baiters are the righteous indignant players and Rivers who threatened to "boycott"....Not to mention the pathetic faux hero earvin johnson...These are the same guys in the same league who embrace overt vile racists as jz, spike lee and lil wayne as owner and front row seat season ticket holders.  The same Rivers and players who had as their guest race hustler and career race baiter the fake reverend jackson sit in the front row of their first home game after the Sterling incident. 

Even though there was a semantic miscue in Sterling's interview with anderson al-cooper...I found what Sterling said about earvin far more true than what earvin said about Sterling.

At the risk of getting this thread locked, I guess I should point out that the term "race hustler" tends to be coded racist language used as a pejorative by (ironically) the very sorts of people who most fit the description of a "race hustler", using the proverbial dog whistle to further a racist agenda.

+1
the dog whistle-type terms seem to be slipping more and more into everyday language, it's very worrying, it shows how quick people are to label based on simple skin shade.
and equating loudmouths like jesse jackson with segregationists like sterling is false equivalence at its worst. jim crow, the KKK, the civil war, that was all real. black americans were kept powerless and impoverished. up until the civil right movement, some blacks faced threat of death if they tried to vote. spike lee's grumblings are benign compared to the persecution blacks have faced in this country.

[kraidstar]

What were we saying about the pats again?

"I think everyone that witnessed that video yesterday has to be outraged and really disgusted to see someone associated with us doing something like that us," Kraft said. "Anyone who is a real man doesn't hit a woman."

http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498/1632578678/+kylenw

i don't put a lot of stock into anything kraft or the patriots say, they are the ultimate spin-masters, they have the local media and fans cowed. which i guess is just a microcosm of the whole NFL. good sport, but a greedy, arrogant league.

That whole thing isn't exactly in line with what we were talking about yesterday with the Pats given that Mayweather isn't an employee of the Patriots or anything.  Apples & oranges when comparing to what the Ravens did here.  This is an owner simply meeting with a high profile athlete who, by all accounts, is a certifiable scumbag outside the boxing ring.   Still doesn't look good, though, when you have an owner of an NFL franchise out there preaching about domestic violence then video pops up of him all chummy, chummy with Floyd Mayweather.

Kraft's been a great owner but there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes there that doesn't make him as glorious as much of the media attempt to make him out to be.

kraft is too smart to allow bad press like the ravens have. like i said, he knows his way around the media.
i agree from a technical standpoint he's a good owner, though, he does spend mostly up to the cap, and he's hired parcells, pete carroll, and BB, a pretty great track record. the media brown-nosing gets on my nerves, though.

[Donoghus]

What were we saying about the pats again?

"I think everyone that witnessed that video yesterday has to be outraged and really disgusted to see someone associated with us doing something like that us," Kraft said. "Anyone who is a real man doesn't hit a woman."

http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498/1632578678/+kylenw

i don't put a lot of stock into anything kraft or the patriots say, they are the ultimate spin-masters, they have the local media and fans cowed. which i guess is just a microcosm of the whole NFL. good sport, but a greedy, arrogant league.

That whole thing isn't exactly in line with what we were talking about yesterday with the Pats given that Mayweather isn't an employee of the Patriots or anything.  Apples & oranges when comparing to what the Ravens did here.  This is an owner simply meeting with a high profile athlete who, by all accounts, is a certifiable scumbag outside the boxing ring.   Still doesn't look good, though, when you have an owner of an NFL franchise out there preaching about domestic violence then video pops up of him all chummy, chummy with Floyd Mayweather.

Kraft's been a great owner but there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes there that doesn't make him as glorious as much of the media attempt to make him out to be.

kraft is too smart to allow bad press like the ravens have. like i said, he knows his way around the media.
i agree from a technical standpoint he's a good owner, though, he does spend mostly up to the cap, and he's hired parcells, pete carroll, and BB, a pretty great track record. the media brown-nosing gets on my nerves, though.

Same here.  Does CBS/FOX/NBC really need to show him in the owner's box every single game and then go over the whole resume/spiel about how good he is?   I'm a Pats fan and it gets on my nerves. 

[Finkelskyhook]

6. more boys need their fathers in their life to teach them respect for themselves and how to treat females. values within the homes in america are not actively taught or modeled to children, as more and more families are "broken".  the gov't is forced to pass these teaching expectations to other support systems (schools, social workers, etc). 

 
By design.
The government (specifically one party) caused this problem with the (oxymoron) "Great Society".  Which by-design took the father out of the house and replaced him with a welfare check to create dependency for life and buy votes for life.  And by-design...The problems that they implement to "fix" the problems they caused are meant to create more problems.

[D.o.s.]

[Donoghus]

Lets get this thing back on track and back on topic or else it'll either be locked or moved to the CE forum where, sadly, some of you aren't allowed to play anymore.

[D.o.s.]

Bernard Pierce looks to get a lot more concussions, eh?

[Celtics4ever]

The harsh truth is, there are no victims in this world. Rice's wife made hundreds of individual decisions to stay with him prior to that incident. The "victims stance" is endemic to our culture, as anyone can pick it up and ward off all responsibility for anything. Rice got the consequences of his actions, the rest is between him and his wife..

I feel less sorry for someone that sticks around after years of abuse.   I realize their fear might motivate some to do so.   But it is plain STUPIDITY.

Sullinger is lucky that the events weren't caught on videotape, or things would've gone much worse for him.

Everyone makes mistakes but I was pretty unhappy with Sullinger when he did his deed awhile back.   These guys are lucky they are loaded. Their women stick with more for the money and also they can afford lawyers.  But I think Rice is done, no one, even me with this post has any sympathy for him.

rice is a cowardly scumbag

I am not condoning his actions and I think they were dastardly and vile but I do not think Rice is a coward.  That sounds good and guys always say it  but he did suit it up with behemoths every week while he played.  This is something that would make a lot of guys relieve themselves.  He is an abusive brute bully  but not a coward.  Guys like Obama and Biden and other posters here calling him a coward is a joke.  Most of you would not last one hit on the gridiron or subject their body to the abuse that Rice did.  I also do not think that  Terrorists are cowards but people say it there too.  It sounds great and I suppose it expected but utterly false, as how many of us would blow themselves up for a cause or volunteer in harm's way?

[D.o.s.]

^So do you also think that Rice's wife should bear responsibility for being punched in the face? The last poster never answered.

[Celtics4ever]

So do you also think that Rice's wife should bear responsibility for being punched in the face?

I do not what was said or the circumstances, not that it matters, but I don't think men should ever hit a woman.   I have physically stopped other men from doing it and made them pay when I did not even know the woman.

[Moranis]

And lest we not forget the Celtics own Jared Sullinger, who had the good fortune of not being caught on tape, but seemingly did at least as much if not more than Ray Rice.

Care to walk us through this one?

Jared Sullinger essentially rag dolled his significant other around their bedroom.  Got on top of her multiple times, forcibly kept her down while she was trying to get away and injured her enough that over 10 hours later when the cops were called she still had very visible marks all over her chest.  Now granted he didn't slap her across the face, but he easily could have knocked her out when he was tossing her off the bed on to the floor or forcibly keeping her on the ground beneath him.  I mean just imagine what that would have looked like if there was video of it.

I don't want to get into diminishing varying forms of abuse, because it's gross, but characterizing what Sullinger was accused of as "rag dolling" (was she comatose? temporarily transformed into a Call of Duty physics model?) and what Rice did as "slapping across the face" requires a pretty willfully skewed comparison of the two events. 

I do fully agree that, assuming the initial police report was accurate, Sullinger is lucky that the events weren't caught on videotape, or things would've gone much worse for him.  The only things that would've saved him from the kind of punishment Rice is getting now is that he's nowhere near as famous, and NBA contracts have much stronger protections than NFL.

(Jason Kidd peeks around corner, breathes sigh of relief, darts back into the shadows of Milwaukee)

He was on the bed on top of her, at a minimum holding her down (but more likely at least shoving her), he then threw her off of the bed and onto the floor, again got on top of her, and again was at a minimum holding her down.  That seems to be ragdolling to me.  And Sullinger is what 6'7" 280 pounds.  He is significantly larger than Ray Rice. 

And for the record, I've watched the video a few times, it isn't like Rice winds up and levels her.  His hands are down, she comes at him and appears to spit in his face, he reaches his hand up very quickly in the slap/punch/push motion, makes contact with her head, she goes down, and gets knocked out by the railing.  It looks and is totally reprehensible and terrible, especially in fast speed, but I maintain what Sullinger did was equally as bad if not worse, there just isn't video of it.

[Finkelskyhook]

What were we saying about the pats again?

"I think everyone that witnessed that video yesterday has to be outraged and really disgusted to see someone associated with us doing something like that us," Kraft said. "Anyone who is a real man doesn't hit a woman."

http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498/1632578678/+kylenw

i don't put a lot of stock into anything kraft or the patriots say, they are the ultimate spin-masters, they have the local media and fans cowed. which i guess is just a microcosm of the whole NFL. good sport, but a greedy, arrogant league.

They may be the ultimate spin masters....But they handled the Hernandez situation perfectly and decisively....While the league has handled the Rice situation like complete idiots.