REPORT : Greg Monroe would have Declined Max offer from DET

[nickagneta]

Katie Perry? ? ?

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If the terrible yet catchy song fits man...

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[nickagneta]

Washington would make an interesting landing spot for Monroe.

[wdleehi]

Washington would make an interesting landing spot for Monroe.

Not going to happen unless they move Gortat.  They are not going to disturbed the cap space that will be there the year Durrant is a FA.

[wdleehi]

The Celtics should wait on Monroe to hit free agency at this point.  Do they have the cap space to sign Monroe and resign Rondo?



But a sign and trade at that point, that is interesting.  A 1st rounder (not a top 3), one of the young PFs and the expiring contract of Wallace?  (OK, the Wallace part is a dream)

[Eddie20]

The Celtics should wait on Monroe to hit free agency at this point.  Do they have the cap space to sign Monroe and resign Rondo?

Not unless we trade off Wallace and Green opts out. Stretching Wallace might put us in range though.

[Vox_Populi]

Monroe and Jennings for Rondo looks like it could work for both. Monroe can't be traded until late December and he needs to consent to the deal because he loses his Bird rights if traded. However, with plenty of teams having cap space and him appearing to not want to stay in Detroit longterm, I think he'll consent.

I would want a pick if we're taking back Jennings' 2 year deal. Or we could include Wallace, while they include expiring contracts of Bynum and Jerebko, to facilitate a deal.

Makes sense for both teams. Monroe would give us a big man in the middle and allows us to take a closer look at him should we want to sign him longterm. Jennings would back up Smart, and provide that wildcard scoring off the bench like Crawford did.

Rondo clearly upgrades the Pistons PG spot. I question how a non-shooting trio of Rondo, Smith, and Drummond would work. However, the Pistons do have decent shooting surrounding them with Meeks, Caldwell-Pope, Butler, Augustin, and Datome.

That's not so bad, but I wish there was a way not to take Jennings and get another asset.

[wdleehi]

Monroe and Jennings for Rondo looks like it could work for both. Monroe can't be traded until late December and he needs to consent to the deal because he loses his Bird rights if traded. However, with plenty of teams having cap space and him appearing to not want to stay in Detroit longterm, I think he'll consent.

I would want a pick if we're taking back Jennings' 2 year deal. Or we could include Wallace, while they include expiring contracts of Bynum and Jerebko, to facilitate a deal.

Makes sense for both teams. Monroe would give us a big man in the middle and allows us to take a closer look at him should we want to sign him longterm. Jennings would back up Smart, and provide that wildcard scoring off the bench like Crawford did.

Rondo clearly upgrades the Pistons PG spot. I question how a non-shooting trio of Rondo, Smith, and Drummond would work. However, the Pistons do have decent shooting surrounding them with Meeks, Caldwell-Pope, Butler, Augustin, and Datome.

That's not so bad, but I wish there was a way not to take Jennings and get another asset.

Except the Celtics get stuck with Jennings and do not have the Bird rights to Monroe. 



How do you get Monroe to stay without the ability to offer more or have a star he wants to play with?



That's why the Celtics need to keep Rondo. 

[Vox_Populi]

Monroe and Jennings for Rondo looks like it could work for both. Monroe can't be traded until late December and he needs to consent to the deal because he loses his Bird rights if traded. However, with plenty of teams having cap space and him appearing to not want to stay in Detroit longterm, I think he'll consent.

I would want a pick if we're taking back Jennings' 2 year deal. Or we could include Wallace, while they include expiring contracts of Bynum and Jerebko, to facilitate a deal.

Makes sense for both teams. Monroe would give us a big man in the middle and allows us to take a closer look at him should we want to sign him longterm. Jennings would back up Smart, and provide that wildcard scoring off the bench like Crawford did.

Rondo clearly upgrades the Pistons PG spot. I question how a non-shooting trio of Rondo, Smith, and Drummond would work. However, the Pistons do have decent shooting surrounding them with Meeks, Caldwell-Pope, Butler, Augustin, and Datome.

That's not so bad, but I wish there was a way not to take Jennings and get another asset.

Except the Celtics get stuck with Jennings and do not have the Bird rights to Monroe. 



How do you get Monroe to stay without the ability to offer more or have a star he wants to play with?



That's why the Celtics need to keep Rondo.

Oh, yeah, my ideal scenario is to definitely keep Rondo. Players want to play with stars. I was just offering my opinion on his proposal.

[Eddie20]

Monroe and Jennings for Rondo looks like it could work for both. Monroe can't be traded until late December and he needs to consent to the deal because he loses his Bird rights if traded. However, with plenty of teams having cap space and him appearing to not want to stay in Detroit longterm, I think he'll consent.

I would want a pick if we're taking back Jennings' 2 year deal. Or we could include Wallace, while they include expiring contracts of Bynum and Jerebko, to facilitate a deal.

Makes sense for both teams. Monroe would give us a big man in the middle and allows us to take a closer look at him should we want to sign him longterm. Jennings would back up Smart, and provide that wildcard scoring off the bench like Crawford did.

Rondo clearly upgrades the Pistons PG spot. I question how a non-shooting trio of Rondo, Smith, and Drummond would work. However, the Pistons do have decent shooting surrounding them with Meeks, Caldwell-Pope, Butler, Augustin, and Datome.

That's not so bad, but I wish there was a way not to take Jennings and get another asset.

Except the Celtics get stuck with Jennings and do not have the Bird rights to Monroe. 



How do you get Monroe to stay without the ability to offer more or have a star he wants to play with?



That's why the Celtics need to keep Rondo.

Oh, yeah, my ideal scenario is to definitely keep Rondo. Players want to play with stars. I was just offering my opinion on his proposal.

It's hard to envision that Ainge will keep and give Rondo big money after using a #6 on Smart and re-signing Bradley to about 8M per. Maybe he does, but spending that much on 3 players that all have PG size and don't necessarily compliment each other offensively is hard to imagine.

I think Smart was brought in to start and take the reigns at PG where he can take advantage of his size against smaller 1's. Putting him at the 2 doesn't take advantage of his physical advantage and makes him play a lot more off the ball where his shot is still a question mark.

[csfansince60s]

Monroe and Jennings for Rondo looks like it could work for both. Monroe can't be traded until late December and he needs to consent to the deal because he loses his Bird rights if traded. However, with plenty of teams having cap space and him appearing to not want to stay in Detroit longterm, I think he'll consent.

I would want a pick if we're taking back Jennings' 2 year deal. Or we could include Wallace, while they include expiring contracts of Bynum and Jerebko, to facilitate a deal.

Makes sense for both teams. Monroe would give us a big man in the middle and allows us to take a closer look at him should we want to sign him longterm. Jennings would back up Smart, and provide that wildcard scoring off the bench like Crawford did.

Rondo clearly upgrades the Pistons PG spot. I question how a non-shooting trio of Rondo, Smith, and Drummond would work. However, the Pistons do have decent shooting surrounding them with Meeks, Caldwell-Pope, Butler, Augustin, and Datome.

That's not so bad, but I wish there was a way not to take Jennings and get another asset.

Except the Celtics get stuck with Jennings and do not have the Bird rights to Monroe. 



How do you get Monroe to stay without the ability to offer more or have a star he wants to play with?



That's why the Celtics need to keep Rondo.

Oh, yeah, my ideal scenario is to definitely keep Rondo. Players want to play with stars. I was just offering my opinion on his proposal.

Some deal centering around Green for Monroe might work. They need a 3 so Smith can play his best position at the 2. We'd need to sweeten it though, probably.

[indeedproceed]

The thing about moving anyone for Monroe now is that it can really only hurt us moving forward.

If say, we move Green for Monroe, we'll go into free agency next year without his bird rights, and in the exact same situation we would've been had we not moved green, and on top of that we?'do lose any assets we could've recouped in a Green trade elsewhere.

The only potential benefit is that we'd have a year to 'sell' Monroe on Boston.

You guys remember when Kevin Love came here and we were sure he was coming via trade? Good times. Goooood times. Not related to this, just good times.

[jambr380]

The thing about moving anyone for Monroe now is that it can really only hurt us moving forward.

If say, we move Green for Monroe, we'll go into free agency next year without his bird rights, and in the exact same situation we would've been had we not moved green, and on top of that we?'do lose any assets we could've recouped in a Green trade elsewhere.

The only potential benefit is that we'd have a year to 'sell' Monroe on Boston.

You guys remember when Kevin Love came here and we were sure he was coming via trade? Good times. Goooood times. Not related to this, just good times.

I think this is the key. I am not sure what other offers are out there for Green, but if we truly intend on moving on from him after this next year, then I would be willing to take the chance to get Monroe to buy into Boston.

Obviously any hopes of Det acquiring Rondo for Monroe were dashed when Monroe signed the qualifying offer, but this deal helps them at the three (and Monroe sure as heck sounds like he has his foot out the door) and maybe even sells Rondo on a successful future in Boston.

[Vox_Populi]

It's hard to envision that Ainge will keep and give Rondo big money after using a #6 on Smart and re-signing Bradley to about 8M per. Maybe he does, but spending that much on 3 players that all have PG size and don't necessarily compliment each other offensively is hard to imagine.

I think Smart was brought in to start and take the reigns at PG where he can take advantage of his size against smaller 1's. Putting him at the 2 doesn't take advantage of his physical advantage and makes him play a lot more off the ball where his shot is still a question mark.

I'd disagree with that though. Ainge took Smart because he was the best player available. I don't think he'd had it in his mind before even seeing how well Rondo plays that he wouldn't pay him something close to the max. Bradley's contract is higher than most would like but probably market value; even if we don't know if another team was willing to pay that. Rondo and Bradley compliment each other on offense, how Smart fits and the position he's most effective at remains to be seen. I'm willing to bet he still gets a fair share of minutes at the 1 though.

[Eddie20]

It's hard to envision that Ainge will keep and give Rondo big money after using a #6 on Smart and re-signing Bradley to about 8M per. Maybe he does, but spending that much on 3 players that all have PG size and don't necessarily compliment each other offensively is hard to imagine.

I think Smart was brought in to start and take the reigns at PG where he can take advantage of his size against smaller 1's. Putting him at the 2 doesn't take advantage of his physical advantage and makes him play a lot more off the ball where his shot is still a question mark.

I'd disagree with that though. Ainge took Smart because he was the best player available. I don't think he'd had it in his mind before even seeing how well Rondo plays that he wouldn't pay him something close to the max. Bradley's contract is higher than most would like but probably market value; even if we don't know if another team was willing to pay that. Rondo and Bradley compliment each other on offense, how Smart fits and the position he's most effective at remains to be seen. I'm willing to bet he still gets a fair share of minutes at the 1 though.

So with Rondo playing about 35 mpg that would only leave Smart with 13 minutes at the 1. Not optimal for a player that that belongs at PG and should be the face of the franchise sooner rather than later.

[Vox_Populi]

It's hard to envision that Ainge will keep and give Rondo big money after using a #6 on Smart and re-signing Bradley to about 8M per. Maybe he does, but spending that much on 3 players that all have PG size and don't necessarily compliment each other offensively is hard to imagine.

I think Smart was brought in to start and take the reigns at PG where he can take advantage of his size against smaller 1's. Putting him at the 2 doesn't take advantage of his physical advantage and makes him play a lot more off the ball where his shot is still a question mark.

I'd disagree with that though. Ainge took Smart because he was the best player available. I don't think he'd had it in his mind before even seeing how well Rondo plays that he wouldn't pay him something close to the max. Bradley's contract is higher than most would like but probably market value; even if we don't know if another team was willing to pay that. Rondo and Bradley compliment each other on offense, how Smart fits and the position he's most effective at remains to be seen. I'm willing to bet he still gets a fair share of minutes at the 1 though.

So with Rondo playing about 35 mpg that would only leave Smart with 13 minutes at the 1. Not optimal for a player that that belongs at PG and should be the face of the franchise sooner rather than later.

So you're saying that we should trade Rondo, regardless of how well he's playing, because Smart should get as many minutes as possible, regardless of how well he's playing, because he's definitely the future of the franchise?