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Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2014, 04:48:52 PM »

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If Marcus Smart has a better career than TA I'll be stoked.
He should, though obviously there are busts and boons at any slot.

The average 6th pick in the draft has a better career than mid-level NBA starter/role player.

Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2014, 04:51:09 PM »

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I have zero faith in Marcus Smart being any better than Tony Allen or Avery Bradley---which is pretty sad--given how Deep this draft was supposed to be....The Ping Pong Balls really screwed us this time around.

This is laughable - Smart will have a better career than both of those guys and it won't even be close.  Two things will translate right away to the NBA, his defense and his ability to get to the rim and draw fouls....
Tony Allen also had great defense and the ability to get to the rim to draw fouls.

Unfortunately he also was turnover prone and couldn't shoot a lick. He mostly keeps his TOs down now-a-days but he still can't shoot.

Smart already handles the ball better than both of those  guys and passes better as well.  He doesn't shoot as good as Bradley but he is a more complete offensive player now ( before he has even played a game ) because of reasons stated above...

Smart's a stud....his game will really translate to the NBA....
He does have a much better handle, but that doesn't mean he'll utilize it effectively to positively impact the game.

I really doubt he's a more complete offensive player than Bradley right now simply because at least Bradley can play off the ball on offense. Smart hasn't shown the ability to do that in college let alone the NBA.

He certainly has move offensive potential than Bradley due to his superior handle/vision.

Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2014, 04:52:51 PM »

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Tony Allen also had great defense and the ability to get to the rim to draw fouls.

Unfortunately he also was turnover prone and couldn't shoot a lick. He mostly keeps his TOs down now-a-days but he still can't shoot.

Tony's handles were always bad.  I think Smart has better handles and possibly a slightly better shot.   But until he proves at the NBA level all bets are off.   Smart was certainly a better college player than TA.

As for AB, again Smart has had a better college career than AB.   AB was a top player in his class though  and has blossomed well as a shooter after a few years.  If Smart can duplicate that with his handle then we will have a nice defensive backcourt.

The thing that sets all three of them apart if their effort and stance on defense.   All three of them get low and attack on defense.  Smart is probably the strongest of the three already in terms of physical strength.  But all three are tenacious and take pride in playing D.

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« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2014, 04:56:14 PM »

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Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2014, 05:09:47 PM »

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IMO Smart will be playing point guard on this team. I've said it more than a few times but my gut tells me that Rondo will be dealt. I have all the faith that Smart will be a great pg and I had this view even before we drafted him.

I love Rondo, and he has the ability to turn it on in the playoffs, which is super rare. But we are not making the playoffs .... if Smart does begin to blossom into a ROY candidate/stud pg then having Rondo and playing Smart out of position does not make sense....to me IMO



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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2014, 05:12:12 PM »

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Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2014, 06:40:22 PM »

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Smart, to me, seems like the ultimate non-bust candidate from this draft (along with Parker). Along with his tenacious defense, he also seems to have pretty killer leadership skills, the kind that say, "everybody jump on my back - we've got this." His attitude is the kind that rubs off on others. If he is a colossal bust, I will be floored. He will always let his presence be known.

Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2014, 07:43:50 PM »

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I really believe Marcus can be a very good player on both ends of the floor in the NBA. Just like on defense he embraces contact and seems to be a pretty solid free throw shooter. We know he'll play great d. I really like Marcus and hope he blossoms into a great player. He has all the potential to do so. 

Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2014, 07:52:47 PM »

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Thought that was Olohomedepot, scouts. I have tempered expectations. While Smart looked good in college and SL he was just okay on select team.

Same here. I am excited we drafted Smart, but I also think the exepctations are becoming a bit too lofty.

I've already heard him compared to Westbrook & Wade, but that was merely based off summer league.

Let's see how he adjusts during the regular season in the NBA, first.

"Merely based off summer league"?  The kid has long been considered one of the top five or six prospects in what many were calling one of the most loaded drafts of all time. 

Now that he's a Celtic we need to temper our expectations, though?  His ceiling is probably as a solid role player.

Too bad we couldn't land a surefire superstar like Dante Exum, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, or Noah Vonleh. 
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Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2014, 07:55:14 PM »

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He's got the tools to be an all NBA defensive candidate.
His upper body strength over other point guards and shooting guards and his lateral quickness really make it hard for defenders to get past him. He always seems to be able to get his body in front of his man. Haven't seen it yet against NBA players every night though.

Smart excites me because he's already got an incredible ability to get to the basket/free throw line. That's something you can't teach in basketball. I also think he's already a more complete player that TA and Bradley because he's got the fundamentals locked in- he just needs to get those natural fundamentals on an NBA level.

He works his ass off too which gives hope to a higher chance of success at the NBA level.

For me there are three things which I think Smart needs to 'perfect'. He's already got a good grasp on these things but if he is to become a 'franchise' kinda guard like Steph Curry, Rondo, Wade, Rose, Harden etc. then he's got to work on these three things the most.:

1) his jumpshot. If he can fix his shot to the point where he's shooting 35%+ from three point land and 85% from the line then he's going to be very difficult for opposing guards to contain.
 His form is quite nice already so there shouldn't be too much work to do.
 Guys like TA and Rondo just had such ugly form and never changed it, so it was always going to be difficult for them to become great shooters. Smart's form is lightyears ahead of those guys.

He shot 30% from three in his second year of college and attempted over 5 per game, so he's not afraid to shoot it.

2) finishing under contact at NBA level around the rim.
  He's very good at taking a hit and maintaining his body control and position to get off a good shot. In the NBA though, defenders are better and defenders are stronger. In the cases where he doesn't get a foul called, we need him to be able to convert all those bump and twist moves into 2 point baskets like a Wade or Monta Ellis. His 2 point FG% in college was 50% and he attempted 8.5 free throws a game which is excellent. He basically attacks the basket very hard and then converted on 72% of free throws. Get them number up over 85% or even 90% and he'll be very hard to stop. Even Wade aren't elite shooters but they're in the hall of fame for guards who finish well under contact and convert at the line.

3)  playing off the ball as a combo guard.
 Had to control the PG spot without enough off ball play for me at OK State. Would love to see him cutting and coming off screens. It will give him a chance to improve his jumpshot and court awareness trying to avoid screens and bumps whilst always knowing where the ball and his defender are, and I'd say we'll see him play quite a bit like this when Bradley is off the court.

If everything goes right and he can somehow become a 40% three point shooter, shoot 50% from the field and 90% from the free throw line, we are looking at a top 10 NBA player.

Long way to go though. Makes you confident seeing his work ethic that he's going to give it everything he's got.
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Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2014, 08:37:57 PM »

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If everything goes right and he can somehow become a 40% three point shooter, shoot 50% from the field and 90% from the free throw line, we are looking at a top 10 NBA player.

I know you're just talking best case, but if he can shoot like that, we're looking at a Hall of Famer.  Not a lot of guys ever pull that off.  Even 45/35/85 would make him a pretty amazing player.

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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2014, 08:39:33 PM »

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Thought that was Olohomedepot, scouts. I have tempered expectations. While Smart looked good in college and SL he was just okay on select team.

Same here. I am excited we drafted Smart, but I also think the exepctations are becoming a bit too lofty.

I've already heard him compared to Westbrook & Wade, but that was merely based off summer league.

Let's see how he adjusts during the regular season in the NBA, first.

"Merely based off summer league"?  The kid has long been considered one of the top five or six prospects in what many were calling one of the most loaded drafts of all time. 

Now that he's a Celtic we need to temper our expectations, though?  His ceiling is probably as a solid role player.

Too bad we couldn't land a surefire superstar like Dante Exum, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, or Noah Vonleh.

Don't understand what you are referring to within your hostile and rude response.

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« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2014, 08:43:00 PM »

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Thought that was Olohomedepot, scouts. I have tempered expectations. While Smart looked good in college and SL he was just okay on select team.

Same here. I am excited we drafted Smart, but I also think the exepctations are becoming a bit too lofty.

I've already heard him compared to Westbrook & Wade, but that was merely based off summer league.

Let's see how he adjusts during the regular season in the NBA, first.

"Merely based off summer league"?  The kid has long been considered one of the top five or six prospects in what many were calling one of the most loaded drafts of all time. 

Now that he's a Celtic we need to temper our expectations, though?  His ceiling is probably as a solid role player.

Too bad we couldn't land a surefire superstar like Dante Exum, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, or Noah Vonleh.

Don't understand what you are referring to within your hostile and rude response.

My apologies.  Sometimes I can come across that way without really meaning to. 

My point is simply that I don't see any reason to temper expectations.

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Re: Mannix: Marcus Smart called the “next great perimeter defender"
« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2014, 09:08:30 PM »

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I usually find value in what Mannix says. However, he couldn't be more wrong. Smart was the worst pick out of the lottery and a major major squandering of the pick by Ainge. He is nothing more than Marcus Banks 2.0. Need to make the best out of this bust and tank harder to grab Okafor or Towns.

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« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2014, 09:13:22 PM »

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I have zero faith in Marcus Smart being any better than Tony Allen or Avery Bradley---which is pretty sad--given how Deep this draft was supposed to be....The Ping Pong Balls really screwed us this time around.

This is laughable - Smart will have a better career than both of those guys and it won't even be close.  Two things will translate right away to the NBA, his defense and his ability to get to the rim and draw fouls....
Tony Allen also had great defense and the ability to get to the rim to draw fouls.

Unfortunately he also was turnover prone and couldn't shoot a lick. He mostly keeps his TOs down now-a-days but he still can't shoot.

Smart already handles the ball better than both of those  guys and passes better as well.  He doesn't shoot as good as Bradley but he is a more complete offensive player now ( before he has even played a game ) because of reasons stated above...

Smart's a stud....his game will really translate to the NBA....

+1
IMO smart is also more intelligent than TA or bradley. he also seems to have a real winning attitude, not only do you see it in his effort on defense, but in interviews there's a certain gleam in his eyes, the sort you see in a true competitor, this will make it much more likely he reaches his potential.