who do want as the Celts pg for the long term? Smart or Rondo?

[D.o.s.]

Because good players are still good players even if they aren't getting minutes on the floor in NBA games?

It seems silly to get rid of Rondo before we know if Smart is a good player, and the coaching staff will be able to determine that more effectively than we will.

[RJ87]

I WANT Rondo.  However, being realistic, I think most of the most likely scenarios for success that I can see for this franchise in the near future would involve trading Rondo, and Smart becoming a really good player.  Things like salary, age, and trade value just tip the scales I think to move Rondo, and hope Smart is the real deal.

If there is a combination of trading Rondo and Smart becoming a really good player in the franchise's future, I think it would be better to wait until Smart becomes a really good player before trading Rondo.

How does this happen with rondo eating majority of the min at the pg spot,especially 4th quarter action for the next 4 or 5 years?

If we drafted exum, would you change your mind? Bc some consider smart as the best pg from the 2014 draft

Smart does not have the ideal size for a sg and does not shoot lights out nor is explosive to compensate.  Ppl stating he does not have pure pg skills are right. But do guys like bledsoe, billups have it? You can still succeed as a hybrid pg .

Exum played a ton of mins at the 2 next to Burke in Summer League. Looks like they're going to develop him as a 2.

Bledsoe is a combo guard and plays next to Dragic - another point guard. Billups - in his prime - was a really good 3pt and FT shooter - that helped his scoring quite a bit.

At 6'4'' + 225 pounds, I think he'd fare pretty well as a 2 - especially with his defensive intensity. By comparison, James Hardens is 6'5", 220lbs. Bradley Beal is 6'5", 207lbs. Eric Gordon is 6'3'', 215. Monta Ellis is 6'3", 190. And our very own Avery Bradley at 6'2", 190ish. Smart reminds me a little of Tyreke Evans. A guy with good with a solid handle who people thought might be able to be a big PG when he came into the league but was better served as a 2.

[LooseCannon]

I WANT Rondo.  However, being realistic, I think most of the most likely scenarios for success that I can see for this franchise in the near future would involve trading Rondo, and Smart becoming a really good player.  Things like salary, age, and trade value just tip the scales I think to move Rondo, and hope Smart is the real deal.

If there is a combination of trading Rondo and Smart becoming a really good player in the franchise's future, I think it would be better to wait until Smart becomes a really good player before trading Rondo.

How does this happen with rondo eating majority of the min at the pg spot,especially 4th quarter action for the next 4 or 5 years?

If we drafted exum, would you change your mind? Bc some consider smart as the best pg from the 2014 draft

Smart does not have the ideal size for a sg and does not shoot lights out nor is explosive to compensate.  Ppl stating he does not have pure pg skills are right. But do guys like bledsoe, billups have it? You can still succeed as a hybrid pg .

I'm a big proponent of not automatically handing minutes to rookies, even high draft picks.  If he can't show anything in 15 minutes per night, giving him 35 won't make him better.

[nickagneta]

Competition on a team for positions and playing time is a good thing. It makes players stronger and better and the team better as a whole.

You keep both players and let the player that is playing best play the largest amount minutes as well as the most important minutes.

This idea that you just give young players playing time or trade 4 time All Star players with championship experience to open up minutes for a rookie to "develop" is preposterous. You make Smart compete for a spot and earn his minutes and you hope Rondo seeing a young rookie trying to take his minutes and spot energizes Rondo to be the player we all have seen him to be over the majority of his career.

Do that and you have the best problem you can have, two great players needing minutes.

BTW there's 96 minutes of back court time to give out and I don't see where all of Bradley, Rondo and Smart can't be playing "starters" minutes of over 30 MPG.

[Tr1boy]

Competition on a team for positions and playing time is a good thing. It makes players stronger and better and the team better as a whole.

You keep both players and let the player that is playing best play the largest amount minutes as well as the most important minutes.

This idea that you just give young players playing time or trade 4 time All Star players with championship experience to open up minutes for a rookie to "develop" is preposterous. You make Smart compete for a spot and earn his minutes and you hope Rondo seeing a young rookie trying to take his minutes and spot energizes Rondo to be the player we all have seen him to be over the majority of his career.

Do that and you have the best problem you can have, two great players needing minutes.

BTW there's 96 minutes of back court time to give out and I don't see where all of Bradley, Rondo and Smart can't be playing "starters" minutes of over 30 MPG.

Nick you are skipping over the details.  I'm not talking about this upcoming season. I'm talking about the next 2, 3, etc years.

Rondo is not coming off the bench. You don't pay a guy 15 plus million to ride the bench. Rondo even if he is bad most of the game will insist or assume he will play the 4th.   Can you really see Brad Stevens putting Smart over Rondo at crunch time and/or Rondo being happy about it?

 

[dmopower]

Rondo has shown he has the abilities to be one of the top PGs in the NBA.



I want him at PG and Smart to become the SG.  He has the size (weight) to stand up to the NBA SGs.

 I agree. If Smart improves his shot these two could play together for years and create havoc on the league. Plus we get our always wanted back up PG.  At first I wanted Smart for a change.  Now I want both playing together at a high level. Goes a long way towards rebuilding if it pans out.

[Jailan34]

Competition on a team for positions and playing time is a good thing. It makes players stronger and better and the team better as a whole.

You keep both players and let the player that is playing best play the largest amount minutes as well as the most important minutes.

This idea that you just give young players playing time or trade 4 time All Star players with championship experience to open up minutes for a rookie to "develop" is preposterous. You make Smart compete for a spot and earn his minutes and you hope Rondo seeing a young rookie trying to take his minutes and spot energizes Rondo to be the player we all have seen him to be over the majority of his career.

Do that and you have the best problem you can have, two great players needing minutes.

BTW there's 96 minutes of back court time to give out and I don't see where all of Bradley, Rondo and Smart can't be playing "starters" minutes of over 30 MPG.

Nick you are skipping over the details.  I'm not talking about this upcoming season. I'm talking about the next 2, 3, etc years.

Rondo is not coming off the bench. You don't pay a guy 15 plus million to ride the bench. Rondo even if he is bad most of the game will insist or assume he will play the 4th.   Can you really see Brad Stevens putting Smart over Rondo at crunch time and/or Rondo being happy about it?

Its good you bring up longevity in this discussion because it gets left out a lot and ends up in a "who'd you rather have next year" debate which isn't the issue. We have one guaranteed year left of RR, none of us know for sure what his intentions are so we can't just assume he will go or stay.

Are we willing to sign Rondo long term when we won't really be utilizing him as a player? He'd be the best player on an awful team. What does that gain us? What does that gain him? I would've been all for getting Love but that ship has sailed, so I think we need to go with the young guys.

I'd rather have Rondo next year..if we were contending, but we're not. We're entering year two of a lengthy rebuild and I'd like to get some pieces from trading Rondo and move on.

[RJ87]

Competition on a team for positions and playing time is a good thing. It makes players stronger and better and the team better as a whole.

You keep both players and let the player that is playing best play the largest amount minutes as well as the most important minutes.

This idea that you just give young players playing time or trade 4 time All Star players with championship experience to open up minutes for a rookie to "develop" is preposterous. You make Smart compete for a spot and earn his minutes and you hope Rondo seeing a young rookie trying to take his minutes and spot energizes Rondo to be the player we all have seen him to be over the majority of his career.

Do that and you have the best problem you can have, two great players needing minutes.

BTW there's 96 minutes of back court time to give out and I don't see where all of Bradley, Rondo and Smart can't be playing "starters" minutes of over 30 MPG.

Nick you are skipping over the details.  I'm not talking about this upcoming season. I'm talking about the next 2, 3, etc years.

Rondo is not coming off the bench. You don't pay a guy 15 plus million to ride the bench. Rondo even if he is bad most of the game will insist or assume he will play the 4th.   Can you really see Brad Stevens putting Smart over Rondo at crunch time and/or Rondo being happy about it?

 

You're assuming a.) Marcus Smart will pan out. b.) Marcus Smart will pan and become an equal to or better player than Rondo. c.) Marcus Smart will pan out and become an equal to or better player than Rondo and they wouldn't be able to finish games together.

[D.o.s.]

Skipping the details can be a very pertinent point.

[fitzhickey]

It depends on Smart's development, and Rondo's decline. Play whoever is playing better

[Chris22]

Trade Rondo before the trade deadline.

Start Smart, Young, Green, Sullinger, and Zeller.

[nickagneta]

Skipping the details can be a very pertinent point.

LOL TP

[wdleehi]

Competition on a team for positions and playing time is a good thing. It makes players stronger and better and the team better as a whole.

You keep both players and let the player that is playing best play the largest amount minutes as well as the most important minutes.

This idea that you just give young players playing time or trade 4 time All Star players with championship experience to open up minutes for a rookie to "develop" is preposterous. You make Smart compete for a spot and earn his minutes and you hope Rondo seeing a young rookie trying to take his minutes and spot energizes Rondo to be the player we all have seen him to be over the majority of his career.

Do that and you have the best problem you can have, two great players needing minutes.

BTW there's 96 minutes of back court time to give out and I don't see where all of Bradley, Rondo and Smart can't be playing "starters" minutes of over 30 MPG.

Nick you are skipping over the details.  I'm not talking about this upcoming season. I'm talking about the next 2, 3, etc years.

Rondo is not coming off the bench. You don't pay a guy 15 plus million to ride the bench. Rondo even if he is bad most of the game will insist or assume he will play the 4th.   Can you really see Brad Stevens putting Smart over Rondo at crunch time and/or Rondo being happy about it?

 

Why would Rondo be ridding the bench?  Makes no sense.

[Mazingerz]

Smart hasnt even played a single NBA game. If he pans out I believe he'll be effective when playing with Rondo.

[Tr1boy]

Competition on a team for positions and playing time is a good thing. It makes players stronger and better and the team better as a whole.

You keep both players and let the player that is playing best play the largest amount minutes as well as the most important minutes.

This idea that you just give young players playing time or trade 4 time All Star players with championship experience to open up minutes for a rookie to "develop" is preposterous. You make Smart compete for a spot and earn his minutes and you hope Rondo seeing a young rookie trying to take his minutes and spot energizes Rondo to be the player we all have seen him to be over the majority of his career.

Do that and you have the best problem you can have, two great players needing minutes.

BTW there's 96 minutes of back court time to give out and I don't see where all of Bradley, Rondo and Smart can't be playing "starters" minutes of over 30 MPG.

Nick you are skipping over the details.  I'm not talking about this upcoming season. I'm talking about the next 2, 3, etc years.

Rondo is not coming off the bench. You don't pay a guy 15 plus million to ride the bench. Rondo even if he is bad most of the game will insist or assume he will play the 4th.   Can you really see Brad Stevens putting Smart over Rondo at crunch time and/or Rondo being happy about it?

 

Why would Rondo be ridding the bench?  Makes no sense.

Bc he should if smart is outplaying him by the 4th. Say AB and Smart provide shutdown defense as a pair. Plus have good offensive nights.