who do want as the Celts pg for the long term? Smart or Rondo?

[slamtheking]

Rondo has shown he has the abilities to be one of the top PGs in the NBA.



I want him at PG and Smart to become the SG.  He has the size (weight) to stand up to the NBA SGs.

So do you advocate trading Bradley then I assume?

I actually think a 3-guard rotation of Rondo, AB and Smart would be one of the best, certainly defensively, in the NBA.  could function similar to the old Bad Boys trio of Thomas, Dumars and Johnson.  In our version, Smart would come off the bench for either Rondo or AB with the ability to be a top combo guard.  no need to trade either one right now.

Celtics pioneered the sixth man concept.  just because someone doesn't start doesn't mean they're not integral to the team's success or on the court in crunch time. 

[Tr1boy]

Rondo has shown he has the abilities to be one of the top PGs in the NBA.



I want him at PG and Smart to become the SG.  He has the size (weight) to stand up to the NBA SGs.

So do you advocate trading Bradley then I assume?

I actually think a 3-guard rotation of Rondo, AB and Smart would be one of the best, certainly defensively, in the NBA.  could function similar to the old Bad Boys trio of Thomas, Dumars and Johnson.  In our version, Smart would come off the bench for either Rondo or AB with the ability to be a top combo guard.  no need to trade either one right now.

Celtics pioneered the sixth man concept.  just because someone doesn't start doesn't mean they're not integral to the team's success or on the court in crunch time.

Yes thats true. But you think rondo is really going to be ok sitting on the bench in the 4th some games? 

[bucknersrevenge]

I wouldn't mind starting Rondo for the next 3 years and then handing the keys off to Smart, either. There's exactly zero reason for this to be a binary thing.

Do you resign Rajon for 2 more years after this then?

[D.o.s.]

two more years after this season or five more years from now? Thinking about it quickly,

I'll hold onto Rondo until he's 31-32 no questions asked: that doesn't interfere with Smart's development because if he's performing well enough to regulate Rondo to the bench, then we're in "good problem to have" territory. If he's not, then Rondo as your starting point guard isn't something you need to replace right away.

Remember, the C's will likely have Smart under contract for the next seven or eight years, depending on what happens in 2017 with the lockout/strike. No reason to definitively decide what to do with him in year one or two.

[2short]

Rondo has shown he has the abilities to be one of the top PGs in the NBA.



I want him at PG and Smart to become the SG.  He has the size (weight) to stand up to the NBA SGs.

So do you advocate trading Bradley then I assume?

I actually think a 3-guard rotation of Rondo, AB and Smart would be one of the best, certainly defensively, in the NBA.  could function similar to the old Bad Boys trio of Thomas, Dumars and Johnson.  In our version, Smart would come off the bench for either Rondo or AB with the ability to be a top combo guard.  no need to trade either one right now.

Celtics pioneered the sixth man concept.  just because someone doesn't start doesn't mean they're not integral to the team's success or on the court in crunch time.

agree completely
to me a 3 guard rotation and then if/when one of the three needs to go its bradley
of course that is with the thoughts that smart becomes the player we all hope he does

rondo long term=the best point guard ever to play for the celtics
currently only MR COUSY would rank ahead

[Evantime34]

I have no idea yet, I haven't seen Smart play at the NBA level.

My hope is that they can play together.

[Snakehead]

I really like Smart but don't see him as a PG as much as many do.  I'd love to play him at SG and have Avery in the rotation long term.

Do we need shooting and size at other positions then?  Yeah sure.  But I think defensively and offefnsively too, that unit has a lot of strengths.

I see Smart as a defensive player, scorer, and play maker.  Just because you can pass and you don't have the prototypical size, doesn't mean you aren't a SG.

Now, I think you could start Smart at PG and have a really good team.  Not saying he will be as good, but this is basically how I view Westbrook (a SG starting at PG). 

But personally I like pass first point guards, and Rondo is the best passer in the league in my opinion.  I am in the camp of holding on to him and paying him fairly.

[JSD]

I'm holding out hope they play well together and Smart develops a solid jumpshot as Bradley has. I love the guard rotation of Bradley, Smart and Rondo.

[LB3533]

Is there any way we can re-sign Rondo to a max 2 yr deal like the one Lebron signed with the Cavs?

I would prefer we lock up Rondo for as long as we can, I don't care if we pay Rondo the max because I think a healthy Rondo is a max player.

But if we are going to only start Rondo for three years, then lets re-work his last year on his current deal and ask him to sign a 2 yr max deal or whatever we are able to offer under the current CBA.

Most people don't like overpaying for things. Most people, for some reason, think that the grass is always greener on someone else's lawn.

I think the biggest mistake a person can make is to lose sight of the good things you already have. To take the good things for granted.

[loco_91]

I don't really see it as an either-or, I think a 3-guard rotation with Smart playing 50/50 at the two guard spots could work really well. But my first choice is to trade Rondo for a big haul, which would leave Smart as the long-term guy. Not that I don't love Rondo's game, but I think he'll be past his prime by the time this squad is ready to compete for a championship.

[bucknersrevenge]

two more years after this season or five more years from now? Thinking about it quickly,

I'll hold onto Rondo until he's 31-32 no questions asked: that doesn't interfere with Smart's development because if he's performing well enough to regulate Rondo to the bench, then we're in "good problem to have" territory. If he's not, then Rondo as your starting point guard isn't something you need to replace right away.

Remember, the C's will likely have Smart under contract for the next seven or eight years, depending on what happens in 2017 with the lockout/strike. No reason to definitively decide what to do with him in year one or two.

Fair enough. What do you resign Rondo for? How high would you be willing to go to resign him if no other star joins him next season? Not that those 2 things should be related but still...

[hpantazo]

Is there any way we can re-sign Rondo to a max 2 yr deal like the one Lebron signed with the Cavs?

I would prefer we lock up Rondo for as long as we can, I don't care if we pay Rondo the max because I think a healthy Rondo is a max player.

But if we are going to only start Rondo for three years, then lets re-work his last year on his current deal and ask him to sign a 2 yr max deal or whatever we are able to offer under the current CBA.

Most people don't like overpaying for things. Most people, for some reason, think that the grass is always greener on someone else's lawn.

I think the biggest mistake a person can make is to lose sight of the good things you already have. To take the good things for granted.

Well, would you prefer to give him a shorter max deal and then try to resign him when the cap and the max go up like Lebron is planning, so he can get more money, or would you rather give him what the max is now, locked in long term, while the max rate balloons in the near future?

[bucknersrevenge]

I really like Smart but don't see him as a PG as much as many do.  I'd love to play him at SG and have Avery in the rotation long term.

Do we need shooting and size at other positions then?  Yeah sure.  But I think defensively and offefnsively too, that unit has a lot of strengths.

I see Smart as a defensive player, scorer, and play maker.  Just because you can pass and you don't have the prototypical size, doesn't mean you aren't a SG.

Now, I think you could start Smart at PG and have a really good team.  Not saying he will be as good, but this is basically how I view Westbrook (a SG starting at PG). 

But personally I like pass first point guards, and Rondo is the best passer in the league in my opinion.  I am in the camp of holding on to him and paying him fairly.

A lot of times this debate can really just be widdled down to this preference. Some prefer pass-first PGs. Some prefer PGs capable of scoring from the position.  I myself use to strictly prefer pass-first guys but after watching what little Stevens was able to accomplish with Crawford leading the charge, it became clear to me that Stevens can operate with either. So at this point, I just want to maximize assets, period. IMO, that means moving our currently most valuable asset(for fair value of course, don't read as dumping) in favor of signing him to a lucrative extension without being able to pair him with another current superstar and letting Smart, Sully, and Bradley lead this team into the future.

[bucknersrevenge]

Is there any way we can re-sign Rondo to a max 2 yr deal like the one Lebron signed with the Cavs?

I would prefer we lock up Rondo for as long as we can, I don't care if we pay Rondo the max because I think a healthy Rondo is a max player.

But if we are going to only start Rondo for three years, then lets re-work his last year on his current deal and ask him to sign a 2 yr max deal or whatever we are able to offer under the current CBA.

Most people don't like overpaying for things. Most people, for some reason, think that the grass is always greener on someone else's lawn.

I think the biggest mistake a person can make is to lose sight of the good things you already have. To take the good things for granted.

Well, would you prefer to give him a shorter max deal and then try to resign him when the cap and the max go up like Lebron is planning, so he can get more money, or would you rather give him what the max is now, locked in long term, while the max rate balloons in the near future?

Not sure why Rondo would agree to sacrifice the longterm security in favor of going back into free agency 2 years later and older.

[D.o.s.]

two more years after this season or five more years from now? Thinking about it quickly,

I'll hold onto Rondo until he's 31-32 no questions asked: that doesn't interfere with Smart's development because if he's performing well enough to regulate Rondo to the bench, then we're in "good problem to have" territory. If he's not, then Rondo as your starting point guard isn't something you need to replace right away.

Remember, the C's will likely have Smart under contract for the next seven or eight years, depending on what happens in 2017 with the lockout/strike. No reason to definitively decide what to do with him in year one or two.

Fair enough. What do you resign Rondo for? How high would you be willing to go to resign him if no other star joins him next season? Not that those 2 things should be related but still...

Just off the top of my head: $13.5 with the 7.5% base increase over 5 years. I'm a sucker for player continuity.