Who's rebuild is better: Boston or Philly?

[gpap]

We really won't know the answer to this one for a while but if Noel/Embiid pan out, then the answer is Philly by a mile.

[Fafnir]

Their rebuild started at the same as the Celtics'. Hinkie came in right after their season ended and traded Jrue Holiday on the same night the Celtics traded Pierce and Garnett.

You're right I forgot about the Bynum disaster as a win now move by Philly, I was thinking I was thinking they moved Iggy when Hinkie came in for some reason.

[Endless Paradise]

Yep. Which is why I don't get why people hate on Philly so much. They had gone through a decade-plus of mediocrity, culminating in a disaster season where they traded away their best player and other assets for an injured bum who missed the entire season. They had a terrible cap situation and no chance of upward mobility without doing something drastic.

It's certainly risky to do a full-scale rebuild, but it's not as if they're doing so without good reason.

[staticcc]

As of now it's Philly. BUT if Danny is able to convert our assets into one superstar, ours would be better. We will find out 5-10 years from now when the Celtics and Sixers face off yearly in the ECF. Right??? 

[Rondo9]

Without a doubt, the Celtics.
Sure, they got lucky with the ping pong balls and landed three talents in Embiid, Noel, and MCW.

Therefore, their rebuild is going much much better. MCW might not be all-star material but he's a definite asset for his D. Noel and Embiid are absolute beasts, even if they each have a 50% chance of being permanently hampered by injuries, that 25% outcome puts Philly way ahead of us. None of our players have anything close to Embiid's potential. If you're talking about Rondo, well he's a great player, but Embiid can be 100x as good.

I thought a knock on MCW was his defense and shooting.

[Vox_Populi]

Without a doubt, the Celtics.
Sure, they got lucky with the ping pong balls and landed three talents in Embiid, Noel, and MCW.

Therefore, their rebuild is going much much better. MCW might not be all-star material but he's a definite asset for his D. Noel and Embiid are absolute beasts, even if they each have a 50% chance of being permanently hampered by injuries, that 25% outcome puts Philly way ahead of us. None of our players have anything close to Embiid's potential. If you're talking about Rondo, well he's a great player, but Embiid can be 100x as good.

I thought a knock on MCW was his defense and shooting.

He's got length and has good instincts, but as the season progressed he just gave up.

[Who]

Their rebuild started at the same as the Celtics'. Hinkie came in right after their season ended and traded Jrue Holiday on the same night the Celtics traded Pierce and Garnett.

Yeah, I think so too.

When Philly traded Iguodala, it was a trade for talent. Iggy for A.Bynum. They were hoping A.Bynum would be a 20/10 center with strong interior defense. That A.Bynum would be a better piece to build around long term than Iguodala due to post scoring and value of having a talented center. That he would lift them up from mediocrity to a 50+win team. That was not a rebuilding move. It was a win-now trade.

It wasn't until A.Bynum's health failed Philly that they abandoned their plans and began to search for a new path. The Holiday trade was the move that signaled a change and began Philly on a "rebuild from scratch" plan. So I'd say they are on year into their present plan. They have done some pretty amazing things in that year. Very impressive job.

[footey]

Philly's future is much better than ours, let's face it.  Williams, Embiid, Noel, Saric and Bennett Soon via Cleveland trade).

I am so jealous.

[Who]

I don't think you can compare them side by side easily since the two teams are taking such drastically different routes.

Philly rebuilding with a blank slate through the draft. Boston trying to stay competitive while looking for major move to make via free agency or trade. Both teams are presently in a very good position to build a title contender in next few years. Neither team presently has talent to say they have it in place yet. But both teams have the right flexibility and ability to add talent to their roster to put their teams into title contention further down the road.

So I think both teams are doing a very good job of putting their team in position to challenge for a title in the future. Neither one really ahead of the other right now. But both very much on the right track (unlike many other teams out there).

[manl_lui]

Philly's future is much better than ours, let's face it.  Williams, Embiid, Noel, Saric and Bennett Soon via Cleveland trade).

I am so jealous.

Bennet ain't going to the 6ers, they weren't even in the trade talks

[Fafnir]

The C's missed the first big chance they had when they were unable to trade for Love. Not that many star players come available, it might have been the only one.

If they're unable to land a star in trade or FA they'll likely have to move onto Philly's plan of just building via the draft.

[Mr October]

I can't answer this question clearly without seeing the Rajon Rondo situation resolve during the next year.

Right now i give Boston the edge. They have an all star in hand. Boston has better management, and a coach who has his players playing hard and developing their games.

Noel and Embiid have yet to prove that their health is not going to be an issue.

I really like Marcus Smart. I like him more than CarterWilliams.

All those draft picks are waiting to be turned into something nice. Some of the Boston and Brooklyn ones should be lottery picks.

Meanwhile Philly has a 4 year window to play their tank game before they have to start paying all these young studs. Then things get tricky. Do you pay all these high picks max deals? Even if they aren't playing all star quality ball?

It will be fascinating to keep comparing Boston and Philly.

[slamtheking]

I think Philly has some pieces with nice potential in Noel, Embiid and Saric but none of them have played a game yet.  MCW is ok as your starting PG but I think they'd have been better off trading him to Orlando and keeping Payton.  I was under the impression that Bennett was going to Minny in the deal, not Philly so I wouldn't include him as a Philly asset just yet.

C's have more young players that have shown they're NBA-caliber players in AB, Sully, KO and solid prospects in Smart and Young. 

C's have more picks to both use for young talent and for trades.  C's also have better players available on the roster for trades than Philly and that's by a significant margin.  Philly has Thad and that's it.  C's have Green, Bass, Thornton and Turner who could all be moved to a contender for more assets.
The C's also have 3 non-guaranteed contracts to use in a deal for another good player or more assets.
C's also have the best player on either roster in Rondo.

Both are headed for the lottery this year barring a real shock.  Overall, I think Philly's youth has a higher potential than what Boston has but Boston has far more assets at their disposal to accelerate their rebuild so I'll give the nod to Boston at the moment.

[Rondo9]

The C's missed the first big chance they had when they were unable to trade for Love. Not that many star players come available, it might have been the only one.

If they're unable to land a star in trade or FA they'll likely have to move onto Philly's plan of just building via the draft.

The path they take depends on what they do with Rondo really.

[footey]

Philly's future is much better than ours, let's face it.  Williams, Embiid, Noel, Saric and Bennett Soon via Cleveland trade).

I am so jealous.

Bennet ain't going to the 6ers, they weren't even in the trade talks

Yesterday Brian Windhorst of ESPN said that Bennett was going to Philly for Thad Young to Minnie. 

Are you saying that was not in the trade talks?