Windhorst - 3 team Love Trade is Done

[Eddie20]

and this would NOT have happened---if the Draft Lottery hadn't once again SCREWED us...Love would most likely be in Boston already....Thanks NBA for that.

Not sure about that. Bulls supposedly had the 2nd best offer.

[Eddie20]

Thaddeus Young was the last player on that Philly team that played winning basketball. Those Sixers are going to be terrible next year. Bunch of kids who don't know how to play and probably a bunch of guys who don't belong in the league in the first place to back them up. Great mix.

How exactly were they rewarded, by getting the 3rd pick?  And frankly I'd rather have Philly's team than Boston's.  Reigning rookie of the year, likely rookie of the year this year in Noel, another dominant center, a superb talent in Europe, a likely high pick next year.  I mean you either need to go the Philly route or go all in, the only way to get real top level talent.

And frankly I wouldn't be all that surprised if Philly has more wins than Boston this year.

MCW was the rookie of the year in the weakest rookie year in over a decade.

Noel was drafted as a project that everyone recognized as clearly not on the level of an Anthony Davis.

Embiid has had back and foot injuries and the list of center busts is the longest list in NBA history.

And what kind of culture is Philly building?  How do you think MCW is going to develop in an atmosphere where his team is trying NOT to win games?  Is that how you build good habits and a winning tradition?

I suppose it could work for Philly.  Monkeys could also fly out of my butt.

Mike

I posted this in another thread, but MCW's numbers compare favorably with pretty much every single rookie of the year this century.  I mean his numbers even compare well with James and Durant.  Don't get me wrong, he isn't those guys, but he would have been the rookie of the year pretty much every single year or at least right in the hunt

Those numbers were inflated as a result of how bad Philly was (still is). In fact, there were rumors that the Sixers were gauging interest in dealing him this summer and the reason is that he was stat hunting and developed some "bad habits". He's also not that young, especially as it relates to modern day draft classes, as he'll be 23 at the start of the season.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Those numbers were inflated as a result of how bad Philly was (still is). In fact, there were rumors that the Sixers were gauging interest in dealing him this summer and the reason is that he was stat hunting and developed some "bad habits". He's also not that young, especially as it relates to modern day draft classes, as he'll be 23 at the start of the season.

Philly would trade anything not nailed down for a prospect.  Once MCW proved himself by winning the RoY award, his days on Philly became numbered. 

[Ogaju]

and this would NOT have happened---if the Draft Lottery hadn't once again SCREWED us...Love would most likely be in Boston already....Thanks NBA for that.

Don't thank the NBA, just TANK better next time. I don't give me the Cleveland had a better record than Boston argument. If we had tanked better we would have upset that applecart that allowed Cleveland to get the chip.

[fitzhickey]

Good trade for Minny.

[clover]

... Yup.  And I continue to be super jealous of philly fans.  The only team in the East potentially standing in Cleveland's way over the next decade will be the 76ers.

Indeed. I give Philly credit for its bold rebuild, despite the snickers it may have drawn. (E.g., had Danny really gone 'all in' last year, and/or had Wyc allowed him to move a year or two earlier, Embiid or Noel or Drummond might have belonged to the C's instead.)

[Vermont Green]

Philly's big step was the trade for Holliday.  They ended up getting Noel and Saric I believe.  We would have had to trade Rondo for a similar package to start down that path.  It is not too late for that though.  It is still an option if we can find the right partner but by waiting, I think we have allowed Rondo's value to decrease some.

Someone will want Green like Minni wanted Thad Young.  Other vets contracts will expire and we will have to find a way to get out of Wallace but if we trade Rondo for a reasonable package, we will not be that far behind Philly on the rebuild plan.

[gpap]

This sucks, but there's still no reason to throw in the towel on the upcoming season.

Right now the way I see it, the four best teams in the East are Cleveland, Miami, Chicago and Washington.

After that, anybody's ball game.

[slamtheking]

and this would NOT have happened---if the Draft Lottery hadn't once again SCREWED us...Love would most likely be in Boston already....Thanks NBA for that.

Don't thank the NBA, just TANK better next time. I don't give me the Cleveland had a better record than Boston argument. If we had tanked better we would have upset that applecart that allowed Cleveland to get the chip.

how so?

how would the C's losing more games have changed how the lottery played out?  Whatever team ended up in the 9th slot occupied by Cleveland at the end of the season would have won the lottery drawing.  if the C's lost more games, that team still would not have been the C's. 

Is your argument that the C's should have lost the 3 games they beat Cleveland?  Doesn't seem to be what you're saying.  however if you want to look at that 3-game swing if the C's lost all 3 games instead of winning them, C's end up with just 22 wins and the 3rd worst record.  They net the 4th pick and would have had the choice of Gordon, Exum or Smart.  I would think Exum would be the pick here.
Cavs would end up with 36 wins and tie Denver for 10th worst record.  NO then becomes the team in the 9th slot and they win the lottery.  Thanks to the Holiday trade, Philly now wins the right to take Embiid first OR they can grab Wiggins/Parker.  having the 1st and 3rd picks assures them of getting a huge jump in young talent with the chance to grab Embiid first knowing that they'll get whoever's left of Wiggins and Parker at #3.
Bottom line -- hardly an improvement for the C's since Philly would be ripe with young talent that would dominate the division and probably the East for a decade within 3-4 years when all the talent develops.  MCW, Parker, Embiid, Thad, Noel.  Throw in KJ Mcdaniels, Pierre Jackson and Jerami Grant from the second round --> 3 players that would normally be 1st round talent -- and that team is ready to control the East in 4 years.  all they need is a legit SG, which they have the $ to grab in free agency thanks to having no one of consequence tied up for big money on a long deal and no one could catch them in terms of talent.

If you want to make the argument that if the C's had lost just one more game they would have ended up with Exum and complain about that, then fine, you'd have a point there but C's losing more games would not have impacted Cleveland getting that pick unless you're talking about those specific head-to-heads and even then, C's end up screwing themselves by helping Philly. 

[Moranis]

Thaddeus Young was the last player on that Philly team that played winning basketball. Those Sixers are going to be terrible next year. Bunch of kids who don't know how to play and probably a bunch of guys who don't belong in the league in the first place to back them up. Great mix.

How exactly were they rewarded, by getting the 3rd pick?  And frankly I'd rather have Philly's team than Boston's.  Reigning rookie of the year, likely rookie of the year this year in Noel, another dominant center, a superb talent in Europe, a likely high pick next year.  I mean you either need to go the Philly route or go all in, the only way to get real top level talent.

And frankly I wouldn't be all that surprised if Philly has more wins than Boston this year.

MCW was the rookie of the year in the weakest rookie year in over a decade.

Noel was drafted as a project that everyone recognized as clearly not on the level of an Anthony Davis.

Embiid has had back and foot injuries and the list of center busts is the longest list in NBA history.

And what kind of culture is Philly building?  How do you think MCW is going to develop in an atmosphere where his team is trying NOT to win games?  Is that how you build good habits and a winning tradition?

I suppose it could work for Philly.  Monkeys could also fly out of my butt.

Mike

I posted this in another thread, but MCW's numbers compare favorably with pretty much every single rookie of the year this century.  I mean his numbers even compare well with James and Durant.  Don't get me wrong, he isn't those guys, but he would have been the rookie of the year pretty much every single year or at least right in the hunt

Those numbers were inflated as a result of how bad Philly was (still is). In fact, there were rumors that the Sixers were gauging interest in dealing him this summer and the reason is that he was stat hunting and developed some "bad habits". He's also not that young, especially as it relates to modern day draft classes, as he'll be 23 at the start of the season.

Durant was on a team that won 20 games his rookie year, were his numbers inflated because he was on a bad team or was he just that good?  And again I'm not saying MCW is Durant, just pointing out that you can't really say how good MCW is.  His numbers however are up there with the all timers. 

Damien Lillard was the same age as MCW, and he made a big jump up in his second year.

[mgent]

C: Nikola Pekovic
PF: Thaddeus Young
SF: Andrew Wiggins
SG: Kevin Martin
PG: Ricky Rubio

That is a pretty fun looking team. Lots of speed one through four. Multiple ball-handlers. Pekovic in the paint. I am really looking forward to seeing Rubio lead that squad next season.

Don't think they'll keep Kevin Martin. A lot of people make a bigger deal of his contract but he makes $7m per year and he gives 19-20pts per game. There will be takers for him. I think Zach LaVine will be starting at the 2 for Minny once the season opens.

Could we do Bogans and a 2nd for Martin straight up?  Bogans and CJ?  I wouldn't mind taking on his salary if it meant we actually have a starting 2 guard.

[slamtheking]

C: Nikola Pekovic
PF: Thaddeus Young
SF: Andrew Wiggins
SG: Kevin Martin
PG: Ricky Rubio

That is a pretty fun looking team. Lots of speed one through four. Multiple ball-handlers. Pekovic in the paint. I am really looking forward to seeing Rubio lead that squad next season.

Don't think they'll keep Kevin Martin. A lot of people make a bigger deal of his contract but he makes $7m per year and he gives 19-20pts per game. There will be takers for him. I think Zach LaVine will be starting at the 2 for Minny once the season opens.

Could we do Bogans and a 2nd for Martin straight up?  Bogans and CJ?  I wouldn't mind taking on his salary if it meant we actually have a starting 2 guard.

I don't think Martin could beat out AB for the starter's job at this point.  C's have more than enough guards at this point. 

Also, can't see this for OKC unless C's are sending back someone who can score.  OKC would need to replace Martin's scoring and that'll be next to impossible with what's left on the free agent market

[manl_lui]

C: Nikola Pekovic
PF: Thaddeus Young
SF: Andrew Wiggins
SG: Kevin Martin
PG: Ricky Rubio

That is a pretty fun looking team. Lots of speed one through four. Multiple ball-handlers. Pekovic in the paint. I am really looking forward to seeing Rubio lead that squad next season.

Don't think they'll keep Kevin Martin. A lot of people make a bigger deal of his contract but he makes $7m per year and he gives 19-20pts per game. There will be takers for him. I think Zach LaVine will be starting at the 2 for Minny once the season opens.

Could we do Bogans and a 2nd for Martin straight up?  Bogans and CJ?  I wouldn't mind taking on his salary if it meant we actually have a starting 2 guard.

I don't think Martin could beat out AB for the starter's job at this point.  C's have more than enough guards at this point. 

Also, can't see this for OKC unless C's are sending back someone who can score.  OKC would need to replace Martin's scoring and that'll be next to impossible with what's left on the free agent market

I agree, plus, adding Martin PROBABLY means less minutes for Smart...

I want to see Smart and see what he got

[Geo123]

C: Nikola Pekovic
PF: Thaddeus Young
SF: Andrew Wiggins
SG: Kevin Martin
PG: Ricky Rubio

That is a pretty fun looking team. Lots of speed one through four. Multiple ball-handlers. Pekovic in the paint. I am really looking forward to seeing Rubio lead that squad next season.

Don't think they'll keep Kevin Martin. A lot of people make a bigger deal of his contract but he makes $7m per year and he gives 19-20pts per game. There will be takers for him. I think Zach LaVine will be starting at the 2 for Minny once the season opens.

Could we do Bogans and a 2nd for Martin straight up?  Bogans and CJ?  I wouldn't mind taking on his salary if it meant we actually have a starting 2 guard.

What?  We aren't picking up a salary!  Why would we do that?  That's silly we want to drop players and salaries to clear a space and playing time for Turner.  Martin isn't a good player and would hurt us not help us...

[D.o.s.]

Thaddeus Young was the last player on that Philly team that played winning basketball. Those Sixers are going to be terrible next year. Bunch of kids who don't know how to play and probably a bunch of guys who don't belong in the league in the first place to back them up. Great mix.

How exactly were they rewarded, by getting the 3rd pick?  And frankly I'd rather have Philly's team than Boston's.  Reigning rookie of the year, likely rookie of the year this year in Noel, another dominant center, a superb talent in Europe, a likely high pick next year.  I mean you either need to go the Philly route or go all in, the only way to get real top level talent.

And frankly I wouldn't be all that surprised if Philly has more wins than Boston this year.

MCW was the rookie of the year in the weakest rookie year in over a decade.

Noel was drafted as a project that everyone recognized as clearly not on the level of an Anthony Davis.

Embiid has had back and foot injuries and the list of center busts is the longest list in NBA history.

And what kind of culture is Philly building?  How do you think MCW is going to develop in an atmosphere where his team is trying NOT to win games?  Is that how you build good habits and a winning tradition?

I suppose it could work for Philly.  Monkeys could also fly out of my butt.

Mike

I posted this in another thread, but MCW's numbers compare favorably with pretty much every single rookie of the year this century.  I mean his numbers even compare well with James and Durant.  Don't get me wrong, he isn't those guys, but he would have been the rookie of the year pretty much every single year or at least right in the hunt

Those numbers were inflated as a result of how bad Philly was (still is). In fact, there were rumors that the Sixers were gauging interest in dealing him this summer and the reason is that he was stat hunting and developed some "bad habits". He's also not that young, especially as it relates to modern day draft classes, as he'll be 23 at the start of the season.

Durant was on a team that won 20 games his rookie year, were his numbers inflated because he was on a bad team or was he just that good?  And again I'm not saying MCW is Durant, just pointing out that you can't really say how good MCW is.  His numbers however are up there with the all timers. 

Damien Lillard was the same age as MCW, and he made a big jump up in his second year.

For what it's worth,the Sonics also tried to play Durant at the SG spot during his rookie season.