Windhorst - 3 team Love Trade is Done

[RJ87]

C: Nikola Pekovic
PF: Thaddeus Young
SF: Andrew Wiggins
SG: Kevin Martin
PG: Ricky Rubio

That is a pretty fun looking team. Lots of speed one through four. Multiple ball-handlers. Pekovic in the paint. I am really looking forward to seeing Rubio lead that squad next season.

Don't think they'll keep Kevin Martin. A lot of people make a bigger deal of his contract but he makes $7m per year and he gives 19-20pts per game. There will be takers for him. I think Zach LaVine will be starting at the 2 for Minny once the season opens.

Could we do Bogans and a 2nd for Martin straight up?  Bogans and CJ?  I wouldn't mind taking on his salary if it meant we actually have a starting 2 guard.

I don't think Martin could beat out AB for the starter's job at this point.  C's have more than enough guards at this point. 

Also, can't see this for OKC unless C's are sending back someone who can score.  OKC would need to replace Martin's scoring and that'll be next to impossible with what's left on the free agent market

Kevin Martin plays for Minny, not OKC.

What?  We aren't picking up a salary!  Why would we do that?  That's silly we want to drop players and salaries to clear a space and playing time for Turner.  Martin isn't a good player and would hurt us not help us...

He averaged 19 points in 32 mins on averages of 43% FG (not the best, but by comparison Jeff Green shot just 41% last season) 89% FT, and 39% from 3pt range. You could do A LOT worse for $7m per year.

[MISSERY]

starting 5 of minny is better than starting 5 of cleve

if varejao went down, that's a big problem for cleveland
+ miller jones are old players
no back-up point guard

[bdm860]

Man, this same exact MCW argument again...

I think too much is being focused on MCW's rookie numbers and ROY award, and not enough is being focused on if he's actually an asset going forward (or how strong of an asset he is).

Being ROY and/or having nice rookie numbers doesn't really matter in the broad scheme of things.  If you redid the 2013 draft, do you think MCW goes top 5 now, top 3?  If not, then being ROY doesn't really matter much.  (Personally, I still see him outside or maybe right at the top 5, maybe Porter and Len drop and Noel, Burke, MCW move up?). 

He had nice numbers as a rookie on a bad team, and so did a lot of other guys from LeBron and Durant to Tyreke Evans and OJ Mayo to Michael Beasley (and he wasn't even on a bad team),  Superstars to Starters to Is-he-even-in-the-League?

Philly was already rumored to be seriously thinking about trading MCW to take either Exum or Smart.  (Did Orlando, Utah, and Boston not value MCW as much as Gordon/Exum/Smart or did Philly not pull the trigger?).

Personally I see him with more of a Tyreke Evans/OJ Mayo type ceiling than anything else, although that is definitely up for debate and time will tell.  I just don't see MCW as a major building block or coveted asset going forward.

[slamtheking]

Kevin Martin plays for Minny, not OKC.

good point - thanks

[TwinTower14]

starting 5 of minny is better than starting 5 of cleve

if varejao went down, that's a big problem for cleveland
+ miller jones are old players
no back-up point guard

I am going to assume that you are kidding....because a starting line-up that consist of Irving, Waiters, James, Love and Anderson V is the best in the NBA by a long shot....

[manl_lui]

starting 5 of minny is better than starting 5 of cleve

if varejao went down, that's a big problem for cleveland
+ miller jones are old players
no back-up point guard

I am going to assume that you are kidding....because a starting line-up that consist of Irving, Waiters, James, Love and Anderson V is the best in the NBA by a long shot....

LeBron himself can destroy Minny's starting 5. Irving > Rubio, and Waiters is younger than Martin so imho, even if Varejao goes down, CLE still wins

[D.o.s.]

starting 5 of minny is better than starting 5 of cleve

if varejao went down, that's a big problem for cleveland
+ miller jones are old players
no back-up point guard

I am going to assume that you are kidding....because a starting line-up that consist of Irving, Waiters, James, Love and Anderson V is the best in the NBA by a long shot....

LeBron himself can destroy Minny's starting 5. Irving > Rubio, and Waiters is younger than Martin so imho, even if Varejao goes down, CLE still wins

Cleveland's starting 5 isn't the best in the NBA, though. Even with Kevin Love.

[manl_lui]

starting 5 of minny is better than starting 5 of cleve

if varejao went down, that's a big problem for cleveland
+ miller jones are old players
no back-up point guard

I am going to assume that you are kidding....because a starting line-up that consist of Irving, Waiters, James, Love and Anderson V is the best in the NBA by a long shot....

LeBron himself can destroy Minny's starting 5. Irving > Rubio, and Waiters is younger than Martin so imho, even if Varejao goes down, CLE still wins

Cleveland's starting 5 isn't the best in the NBA, though. Even with Kevin Love.

right, I still think the Heat with LeBron is the best starting 5 in the East had he returned to MIA and not CLE.

I would still like to think that

Lebron, Wade (Healthy), Bosh > LeBron, Irving, Love

[Celtics4ever]

I would still like to think that

Lebron, Wade (Healthy), Bosh > LeBron, Irving, Love

Trouble is, Wade was not healthy and appears to be in decline.

[Tr1boy]

Good trade. We didnt have a chance

[Roy H.]

starting 5 of minny is better than starting 5 of cleve

if varejao went down, that's a big problem for cleveland
+ miller jones are old players
no back-up point guard

I am going to assume that you are kidding....because a starting line-up that consist of Irving, Waiters, James, Love and Anderson V is the best in the NBA by a long shot....

LeBron himself can destroy Minny's starting 5. Irving > Rubio, and Waiters is younger than Martin so imho, even if Varejao goes down, CLE still wins

Cleveland's starting 5 isn't the best in the NBA, though. Even with Kevin Love.

right, I still think the Heat with LeBron is the best starting 5 in the East had he returned to MIA and not CLE.

I would still like to think that

Lebron, Wade (Healthy), Bosh > LeBron, Irving, Love

What about Varejao + Waiters vs. Haslem + Chalmers?

[celticsclay]

starting 5 of minny is better than starting 5 of cleve

if varejao went down, that's a big problem for cleveland
+ miller jones are old players
no back-up point guard

I am going to assume that you are kidding....because a starting line-up that consist of Irving, Waiters, James, Love and Anderson V is the best in the NBA by a long shot....

LeBron himself can destroy Minny's starting 5. Irving > Rubio, and Waiters is younger than Martin so imho, even if Varejao goes down, CLE still wins

Cleveland's starting 5 isn't the best in the NBA, though. Even with Kevin Love.

right, I still think the Heat with LeBron is the best starting 5 in the East had he returned to MIA and not CLE.

I would still like to think that

Lebron, Wade (Healthy), Bosh > LeBron, Irving, Love

What about Varejao + Waiters vs. Haslem + Chalmers?

This isn't really a fair comparison because it is Varejao in a suit versus Haslem playing. It would also probably argued that McRoberts would be starting considering he signed for twice the amount of Haslem and is about 6-8 years younger. Do the Cavs keep Waiters in the Love trade?

[Moranis]

starting 5 of minny is better than starting 5 of cleve

if varejao went down, that's a big problem for cleveland
+ miller jones are old players
no back-up point guard

I am going to assume that you are kidding....because a starting line-up that consist of Irving, Waiters, James, Love and Anderson V is the best in the NBA by a long shot....

LeBron himself can destroy Minny's starting 5. Irving > Rubio, and Waiters is younger than Martin so imho, even if Varejao goes down, CLE still wins

Cleveland's starting 5 isn't the best in the NBA, though. Even with Kevin Love.

right, I still think the Heat with LeBron is the best starting 5 in the East had he returned to MIA and not CLE.

I would still like to think that

Lebron, Wade (Healthy), Bosh > LeBron, Irving, Love

What about Varejao + Waiters vs. Haslem + Chalmers?

This isn't really a fair comparison because it is Varejao in a suit versus Haslem playing. It would also probably argued that McRoberts would be starting considering he signed for twice the amount of Haslem and is about 6-8 years younger. Do the Cavs keep Waiters in the Love trade?

the presumption is one of health though, I mean do you actually think Wade is going to be healthy.  the Love trade is bennett, wiggins, 1st.  Cavs absolutely keep Waiters (also Thompson who would likely start if Sideshow was out). 

The Bulls are the only team in the East that can compare to Cleveland (assuming they are healthy).  Noah, Gasol/Gibson, Dunleavy/Mirotic/McDermott, Butler, Rose.  Any sort of development from Mirotic or McDermott and they are a real threat in the east (if Rose stays on the floor).

[celticslove]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA

Sources: Cavs have agreement for Kevin Love, including long-term contract commitment. Wiggins, Bennett, pick to Minn. yhoo.it/XHoSQg

just glad it's all over. win for minny even though i still think that wiggins will be a bust.

[gpap]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA

Sources: Cavs have agreement for Kevin Love, including long-term contract commitment. Wiggins, Bennett, pick to Minn. yhoo.it/XHoSQg

just glad it's all over. win for minny even though i still think that wiggins will be a bust.

So no 3-way with Philly and Thaddeus Young going to Minny?

If not, I wouldn't mind acquiring Young, who provides some athleticism at the power forward position. I actually think him, Zeller and Olynyk could be pretty good together if Philly would take Sullinger and Bass.